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    The right wing is always stupid. Everyone else is sometimes stupid. But the right? Always completely pants on head stupid, if not cartoonishly evil.

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      Do not attribute malice to that which can be explained by stupidity… But never fully discount it.

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          It gets clearer if you flip it around to sound less poetic:

          Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

          That which can be explained by stupidity, do not attribute to malice.

          Or perhaps in more direct words someone might actually say:

          If you can explain it with stupidity, it’s probably not malice.

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          You are walking on the street and a big fat guy bumps into you. Assume they are just clumsy don’t assume they were trying to run you down.

          This doesn’t mean be unaware, this doesn’t mean ignore red flags, this doesn’t mean to not have a healthy level of caution. It means assume good faith from deeply imperfect people until evidence no longer supports it.

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          It means if you don’t know if someone did something because they had evil plans or were fking stulud, its safe to assume they were fking stupid at the point of the incident.

          Especially if the evil plan would have been convoluted and required things to align just perfect for the plan to be successful.

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            But it is not safe to make that assumption. It’s wildly dangerous to label evil as stupid. Giving evil people an in is how we get to where we are.

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              I was just explaining to the commenter above what was meant by the saying. I never said it was correct in all situations.

              If you have an issue with the saying, you’re free to give Robert j. Halon your feedback.

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                Unfortunately you are also responsible for what you say and do.

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              It’s called Hanlon’s razor, a take on Occam’s razor, the unstated part is “all else being equal”.

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        I quit believing in Hanlon’s razor years ago when I realized that it’s clearly both. Both stupid malice and malicious stupidity.

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      Both far left and far right are always stupid. At least here in my country Far left: Burns and destroy local business and destroy public transport used by all citizens just to protest and then for some reason blame the police for that. Far right: Constantly having hallucinations about the United Nations being controlled by far left and vaccines = poison.

      Both are in a competence to show who has less neurons.

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        Far left: Burns and destroy local business and destroy public transport used by all citizens just to protest and then for some reason blame the police for that.

        Go and protest by the sidewalks on Sundays, they are not gonna give a shit, if they even notice, break a few windows(from banks if possible) disrupt traffic and you are gonna be on the news, they will call you a terrorist but they at least will know you are there and ready to do shit.

        The french know what’s up.

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          What I mention is what happened in October of 2019 in Chile.

          Yeah, I know that they need to attract attention to a protest to be listened. BUT by no means it justifies destroying and robbing small businesses, burning churches and destroy schools (while asking for better education)

          They literally went and made a mess of things. They could have just made a crowd, block the road, go to the government institutions but they choosed violence to other citizens. After that they left things even worse than they were, that’s a sign of lack of common sense and responsibility.

          Many people lost their jobs, schools ended with heavy damag, the Metro stations where I live ended up in a mess, and for some reason they burned churches. Yeah.

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            3 years later and you are still talking about it, so my point stands, people in power need a reminder that people can also choose violence.

            They could have just made a crowd, block the road

            Send the dogs, use gas and violence, disperse the crowd, a lot of policemen infiltrate the protests to exacerbate the violence, people soon follow.

            Your are sheltered btw, no right has been won by the people asking nicely to those in power.

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            You fell for the psyops. Your neighbor country, Brazil, already tried the route you’re proposing – people got beat up by police, the same police that infiltrated the protests and (proven, in court) destroyed public infrastructure.

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            I’m reminded of a quote: “a riot is the language of the unheard.” When the opposition will vilify ANY attempt to stand together and demand change as a “riot” and respond with state violence, what reason do you have to protest peacefully? If they’re just going to gas protestors, use dogs and pepper spray and bullets (both rubber and regular) and armored vehicles, then why bother trying to act like “the bigger man”?

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              Then in that case the rational violence would have been totally against the government, instead they damaged things used by low/middle class citizens and not things that actually would piss off politicians, they also damaged small businesses (literally run by families)

              If they are going to use violence against citizens then they have no justification.

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    And so begins the parade of Argentinians having their faces eaten off by leopards after voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party.

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      They’ve been getting their faces eaten off, so they voted for the other party that will eat their face hoping it will change this up.

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          It doesn’t matter what politicians you vote for or your politics in question most pretty much all politicians are generally universally all have the same interests at heart and that is money doesn’t matter if your left right tankie librultarian centralist I think that this is something we can all universally agree on

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      P-p-pero, no es peronista! No es kirchnerista! No puede ser, la 9na es la vencida!

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      He’s not facist. He’s libertarian two completely different modes of goverment one wants to disband the state the other wants complete and utter control and so wants to make the state into a one party state

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        lol

        There’s this great thread in the Disco Elysium reddit from years ago. This guy posted and complained that all the family first nation first choices that were part of his morals were making him align with the fasc. Having to do the thumb up the ass salute. All that stuff.

        You played disco? Try it out. See if you give it a thumbs up.

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          Can you find that thread? It sounds hilarious. I’ve tried to do some Google searching myself and I’ve fallen into a rabbit hole if old Disco Elysium reddit threads that have made me want to replay it, but I haven’t found that exact one.

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        It is laughable the use of right wing and fascist! Libertarians want to disempower the corrupt monopoly coercive state and empower individuals - and this makes them fascist! 🤣

        Now watch the down votes for this post while also noticing the lack of logical rebuttal!

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    They really watched Brazil get fucked by rightwing policies for 6 years and thought “I want that”.

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      I just don’t get it. Every time a right wing government people get fucked and more fucked. Arguably even with left governments, but brexit / trump / bosonaro level fucked it’s is hard to achieve…

      And people still vote for these train wrecks…

      What am I missing? What do I need to do get it? Lower my iq seems to be a possible answer, but I’m really struggling to see it

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        Most of the people making up their voter base are quite literally brainwashed. I’ve seen it happen with my parents – years of subtle manipulation by the media eventually turned their brains to mush. They quite literally can’t form their own opinions anymore and need guidance from the rightwing cult.

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          My solution is to block all that content on routers and using a Raspberry Pi. I will even offer my services to hospitals and nursing homes.

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            Unfortunately, you can’t use a router for radio waves. (Yes, boomers still use radio).

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        Way easier to be “against X, Y and Z” than to actually build/fix something. They’ll just find other bogeymen and the worse the things get, the more tempting being against these bogeymen will look like to the voters.

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          This. It’s like people who play victim. Playing the victim is easy. Nothing is ever asked of victims, nothing is expected or demanded of them, they bear no responsibility to fix the problem or problems, they are never at fault. But, the flaw of victimhood politics is this:

          Stan Lee once said,

          With great power, comes great responsibility.

          Let us consider, that perhaps the statement also makes sense inverted. So, read it like this.

          With great responsibility, comes great power.

          Now, remember how I said victims bear no responsibility? That means they bear no power. No power but the power they are given.

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        I have theory might be crazy but what the hell. Think about some phrasing. We tell people when they do something good they do the RIGHT thing. Majority of humans are RIGHT handed.

        Everything good is gear towards the going RIGHT. We even record advanments like time, and progress as moving to the RIGHT.

        Here in America our calendar move to the RIGHT.

        So maybe that might be why we keep moving RIGHT politically even though that is a horrible thing.

        Because anything to the LEFT is seen as bad.

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      The whole world has, all the shit and these goons keep getting elected. People are desperate for change and liberalism will only allow the center and the far right.

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    Make the public dumber, less healthy, less connected, and less informed about the world so they can’t stage a revolution and kill you. Perfect plan really.

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      It’s just telling the people what they want to hear. Just saying you’ll end corruption once and for all will give you lots of followers. What happens after you win, who cares.

      The previous president, Alberto, was (afaik) equally loved by the public, made promises about improvement, corruption, blah blah. Made things worse, now it’s turn for the next guy.

      People in South America are already stupid, disconnected & uninformed. No need to make things worse, just maintain the status quo.

      Outside of economics, his proposed social politics are so crowd-pleasing, it makes me wonder if he just promised to make abortion illegal just because he wanted votes. Like, why would he care?

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        Thought libertarians are for the environment, free market doesn’t do anything for environmental damage. This damage affects everyone, so it violates the non aggression principle.

        preventative vs posthumous is the question.

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      Javier Milei’s closest advisors are salivating because they’re clones of the president’s former dog Conan who died in 2017. According to Milei the ghost of Conan, named after Conan the Barbarian, advised Milei to become president during a conversation facilitated by a spirit medium.

      Good luck Argentina. May the rest of us live in less interesting times.

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    Is there a Department of Women or is he just going to get rid of every woman in the country?

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    In properly set democracy this should not be possible. President should not have that kind of power to affect other branches of power.

    In general president should not have too much power at all, because it is stupid to have just one person to be able to cause so much change in general. Looking at you US.

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      Presidential offices and ministries are both part of the executive branch of governments, though. Ministries are primarily there to organize the executive’s work, so while removing ministries will affect that, it won’t affect the separation of powers (like, say, the removal of responsibilities from a court or a chamber of parliament would).

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        That absolutely doesn’t mean that the power to create or disband ministries has to rest with the executive branch.

        In fact, it can easily be argued that creating the framework in which the executive branch operates is the domain of the legislative branch - so the creation, merging, splitting or disbanding of ministries should also be a power of the legislative branch.

        Or you could argue that it should be a power that should be shared between an administration and parliament, where an administration could introduce a motion to change ministries to parliament, and parliament would have to vote on it.

        Lots of possibilities.

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          Yes, of course! To my knowledge, the creation and removal of ministries does require parliament approval in most parliamentary democracies, and I also prefer that this power is not held by a president alone (as in a purely presidential system). However, in such a presidential system, a president adding or removing ministries still reflects a change in the same branch of government, the executive branch. The process of reorganizing ministries per se is not problematic and actually required for an administration to remain functional and able to accommodate new/shifting tasks.

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    Bolsonaro eliminated the Labor minister first day of his government and made the economy minister absorb its functions. It’s had to re-establish it quietly at half of his government because the economy minister couldn’t keep with the job, but meanwhile slave labor on Brazil skyrocketed.

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    Proposed remaining ministries:

    Ministry of Men

    Ministry of Strong

    Ministry of Beer and

    Ministry of RRRRAAAARRRGGGHHH

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    I know a few Argentinians and since I live in Chile I know a lot about what’s going on there. They have a lot of useless ministers for almost everything, at this point the previous government could have easily added the ‘ministry of non-important matters’ Their state manages the education really bad, many Argentinians complain about that, all those things managed by the state work really bad and are fueled by taxes. I agree that Milei’s ideas are crazy, but seeing the options in Argentina, he was the less bad option there.

    Imagine a state sucking almost every currency from every citizen just to fuel useless state institutions. I hope Argentina will recover with this change.

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      I guess we are all about to find out how true that is.

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        As an Argentinian living abroad and having left the country for how unbearable it was, I can tell you it’s true. I’m not saying some of those things aren’t important, but Argentina’s Government is like a crackhead. You give it some money and expenditure capabilities, and the next thing you know is at the shadiest dealer, buying as much of the worst stuff.

        You need to cut the vicious cycle somewhere. Unfortunately for Argentina, that place is Welfare State.

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          Right, because that worked great for Brazil, right? No, wait, the 6 years of rightwing “cuts” actually devalued the Real by 50%.

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            You’ve got to understand that politics are never so straightforward. Bolsonaro’s premise might have been one, but the execution might have been another.

            So has come to pass with many presidents in Argentina, promising to solve the issues, and making them worse.

            Not everyone might like Milei, but the truth is that he was the lesser evil, and by a long margin.

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    Uh, if you live in the United States, I’ve got some bad news for you in one year.

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        So the solution is to throw it away? This seems shortsighted at best and more like shooting your own feet… and hands

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          I don’t agree. I told this to my dad who supports him. They’re throwing the baby with the bathwater. I doubt they’ll let milei do half of what he wants to do.

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            Ok I did hear that congress is divided so it might be just posturing, what about the dollarization of the economy? Kinda like trumps wall? Is the proposal of a half dollar “parity” still on the table? That one is really nuts, the lack of decent options and the amount of people that will vote for the worst mentally ill clowns is astounding, all over the western world we’re seeing this shit increasing. Best of luck.

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              Dollarization has been done before under Menem where essentially the peso was backed by the US dollar. I don’t know exactly how milei plans to do it or how much power he will have to do it. My guess will be that his presidency will be similar to Trumps. He will be dealing with a lot of protests and pushback from the bureaucracies while at the same time becoming more moderate with his proposals. He is already starting to walk back on some things he said he will do.

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    The only ministry they need is the ministry of stupidity. That’ll be their national treasure.

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    He also wants to screw around with the Falklands again