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      Microsoft these last few months really has shown that Apple is better about privacy than they are (not that they’re amazing). It just doesn’t even compare anymore though. M$ is injecting tracking and advertising into literally everything now and selling to 3rd partied with impunity. It’s absurd.

      Let me be clear that Apple is also not your friend. But when we are taking a birds eye view of all computer users, we have to think about the floor. And the floor at Microsoft is ridiculously low right now.

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        Problem with apple is they only support their computers. For an os you can slap onto anything you should compare windows to linux. However the linux users proportion isn’t that big to give an accurate comparison.

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          problem with Apple is the only support their computers

          I mean, that’s a legitimate complaint, but I’m not really sure how that is germane when critiquing how Microsoft is treating their own products since the whole point is Apple doesn’t do that with their own products to the same degree. That’s my point of comparison here.

          Big fan of Linux in general, and I am in the process of trying to convert over to it. I will need to have a Mac in my life for the foreseeable future because I am a professional editor, but beyond that I think I can make the leap to Linux as my daily driver.

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          A lot of it is internal usage which is (usually) reasonable. And there isn’t anything as expansive as what we see Microsoft doing as far as I can tell. But given their size and reach I would say it’s safe to assume there is something(s) going on with our data we probably object to. They do overall seem more committed to privacy on their machines.

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            Just so I understand your reasoning, you have no evidence or examples of Apple using or abusing your data but you assume they do because (checks notes) their “size and reach”?

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              You are asking a legitimate question and I would be happy to answer it, but based on your tone and your use of the ridiculously overused/needlessly antagonistic “checks notes” joke you’re not here to have an actual conversation.

              Edit:

              Screw it here’s your answer before you claim I’m dodging it.

              This is the company that cooperates with law enforcement the vast majority of the time by handing over vast swaths of user data and used to put in back doors that they would utilize to cooperate with warrants. They also do allow apps to collect data.

              So no, it’s not just because they are massive, but because they are massive and have a track record that is pretty gray at best.

              I am writing this on my iPhone, I do my work on a Mac. This isn’t some anti-Mac stuff or whatever. I just am acknowledging reality.

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                You are conflating compliance with law enforcement warrants, which is a legal requirement, with blatant usage of non-anonymized data FOR PROFIT. Really? Shame on you.

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                  If your loyalty to Apple is so strong that you can’t bother to read what I took the time to put together, or even have healthy skepticism and take basic measures to protect yourself, then this conversation was a mistake to pursue. “Shame on me” indeed. Later man, not wasting my time further.

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      *leans hard on cane:

      Ya got a problem with crusty old memes, kid?

      The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

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        “It’s a single pane window. A single pane of glass. It symbolizes the synergy between man and machine. Window 12 offers an enhanced user experience with greater simplicity and clarity. Also, we’ve revamped our mobile and iOT OS lines which we’re calling ‘Porthole 12’ and ‘Peephole 12’ respectively.” -Microsoft, Probably

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          Microsoft doesn’t give things new names. It reuses the same name for a vastly different product to keep everyone confused. Outlook. Outlook (the hosted email service). Outlook express. Skype. Skype for business. Teams. Teams professional. Etc etc.

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      If you really want to be pedantic… that’s not even the Microsoft logo to begin with. Microsoft didn’t use the Windows logo for their own company logo, at least during that time period.

      Oh, and that’s Windows Vista’s logo anyway.

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        That’s fair, I should’ve said “That logo hasn’t been used by MS since Win7”. But it’s still the same logo, minus the backdrop.

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      Sorry, I think the last Windows I had installed anywhere was XP. I was like “which windows logo is that? should I look it up?” but then I was like “nah, fuck it”.

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        They used to go for the Distort tool. Then, the Skew tool was all the rage. And now, they realized that Photoshop subscriptions are a ripoff and stopped using it altogether.

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    There’s a lot of options out there for alternate mail apps, but what I really need is a decent calendar app. Don’t like always having to rely on web browsers for that.

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    I tried to change to Thunderbird but I can’t figure out how to make it work with my work e-mail. I’m wondering how much of that has to do with my work e-mail using office365. 🤔

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      Everything. O365/outlook do not use normal email protocols. On normal exchange you can enable imap. Do not know about o365 tho. Also unfortunatly you loose a lot of other features if you dare to step outside the walled garden.

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        By default they use protocols specific to outlook/exchange/365. Sometimes referred to as activesync or outlook anywhere, which encapsulates their own protocol (I think it’s MAPI?) Over an HTTPS tunnel.

        These technologies have had a lot of names.

        In the past few years 365 also requires TLS 1.2 at least, and oauth. Oauth is when a mini browser window pops up for your 2FA info, like ms authenticator or duo or whatever your organisation is using. The nice thing about oauth is that it’s compatible with many identity providers, not just MS. The bad thing is that it’s fairly unique that outlook supports it. I don’t know of any other email clients that support it…

        Even if you can get passed the login, most mail clients don’t support MAPI over HTTPS the way that outlook does. There are some android/iPhone apps that support it, but that’s not universal either; the naming can fluctuate between the options I’ve mentioned earlier.

        The only good way to get this done (speaking as someone who has had to help someone get it working), the organizational email admin needs to enable either pop or (preferably) IMAP, and assign an application password to it. This password is long and usually a string of random characters. It gets saved to your email client software and it is used nowhere else. It’s been a long time since I’ve done this and I’m not sure it’s still supported like this.

        I hope that gives you more information as to the challenge ahead of you.

        Good luck.

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    And how much does payroll add to my salary to use this shit at work so it can mine my data without consent? None.

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      If you’re at work, it’s not really “your” data. It’s “your company’s” data. And your company might be collecting even more data on you than Microsoft.

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        You don’t think the data from my user session is being collected by Microsoft?

        I’m not just putting my company data into it, I’m putting my data into it too.

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      What in particular do you feel like is missing? I mean, there’s a lot of stuff on Linux already. There’s no shortage of apps or games. But there might be some specific thing that you want that linux doesn’t have.

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    “We just need to make sure that the data collection of your data collecting app is working on your data collecting OS so we’re gonna need to add some data collection on that.”

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    Motherfuckers laughing at this meme carrying a smartphone checking their Gmail.

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      Mine is rooted and neutered. Something might leak through, but I’m not making it easy for them.

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      GrapheneOS is the answer. Apps can be sandboxed away from OS. No Gapps integrated into the OS. Camera disable button if you are really paranoid.

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        The only thing I hated about that kinda thing is depending on the phone you lose the camera perks. If I install this on my pixel 6 pro, does everything function more or less the same? I don’t want to be taking shit photos after installing a rom

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          You have to install the google camera app because it does the image processing. And I believe you need GSF to make it work, but thats a one-click install in graphenes own app store

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          You can install the Google Pixel Camera app if you want the functionality they offer. Grant it access to network upon install, then grant camera, microphone, location, sensors, and access tp all storage or assign a storage space. Should work as you expect oyher than it doesn’t integrate with the GrapheneOS gallery app, and prompts you to install google photos. you can still access photos by opening the Graphene gallery.

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      Nope. Im laughing at this meme carrying a smartphone checking my selfhosted linux postfix/dovecot email server.

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      I have outlook, gmail, protonmail, Roundcube mail accounts but mostly managed via IMAP. Guess I get to laugh and cry…

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        Here I am. Doesn’t mean I’m OK with it either. Not enough time in the day to figure out another solution.

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          Perfectly valid. And privacy isn’t all-or-nothing, you can still take some other steps to limit data collected from you, like switching your search engine or browser