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    9 months ago

    Were you around in the late 90s-early 2000s? Because let me tell you that the prequels did not spark joy for people then. It was insane the amount of hate leveled at Ep 1-3. Hell kids at Jake Lloyd’s school bullied him so hard he quit acting.

    So you never know, 7-9 might spark joy for people in 20 years.

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      9 months ago

      It’s wild how people pretend that the prequels weren’t hated by a bunch of people. Like, the Plinkett Reviews of the prequels were legendary YouTube videos for years before people started ironically memeing the prequels in, like, 2016.

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      9 months ago

      Speaking as someone who actively despised the prequels when they came out, and has only learned to unclench my teeth in anger at their existence after a long process of maturation and philosophical introspection, I can’t wait to see the next generation of people getting furious when the sequels have been out long enough for new young fans to grow up and embrace them the same way the prequels were. It was horrible and difficult for me to go through, so it’s only fair that others should have to witness that process as well.

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        I know, right? As a huge Star Wars nerd who was in middle school when 1 came out, I didn’t even bother to go see 2 in theaters, and to this day I still haven’t seen 3 all the way through because I have such a bad taste in my mouth.

        In fact, the way Lucas shit all over the established lore and canon to produce such a flaming turd turned me off to the entire IP and I didn’t read a Star Wars book or watch a show/movie until I gave Ep 7 a try because my FiL wanted to see it in the theater. That one I actually enjoyed (contrary to popular opinion), and I’ll say that the first season of Mandalorian and Bad Batch was decent, too. I haven’t seen Andor, but I probably will based on everyone’s reviews.

        But the last Star Wars work that I still actually like and that I still think stands on its own two feet was Empire Strikes Back.

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        9 months ago

        Cool concept. But george lucas wasnt creative enough for that theory. He almost had an nsync segment in episode one because his daughter liked nsync.

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      9 months ago

      I was a kid when the prequels came out. I remember the hate for them, but most of my friends that were my age all loved them, as did I.

      I think people tend to like what they grew up with and dislike what comes out when they are older.

      You can see this pattern in Pokemon games as well. I grew up with gen 2 and gen 3. When gen 4 came out, it seemed like everyone hated it. Same with gen 5. But now most people act like gen 5 was the last good one.

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      9 months ago

      Back then we didn’t know how bad it could get. The Prequels were bad, but you know what? The Sequels retroactively made the Prequels look like masterpieces.

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        9 months ago

        No, they were still bad. I thought the same as you and watched them again. It all just felt awkward.

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          Episode 7 is no masterpiece, but it is infinitely more watchable for me than Episode 1. The initial conflict is just confusing as far as motivation, young Anakin and Jar Jar are both obnoxious as hell, and the acting is not great. The Darth Maul fight and the pod race are about the only parts of the movie that I remember fondly.

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          9 months ago

          Have people actually re-evaluated the prequels now? I genuinely thought everyone was just being sarcastic.

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            The original trilogy has an overarching story. So does the prequel trilogy. I’m still struggling to figure out a big story for 7-9 what doesn’t have too many holes, and I’m not going to watch it all ten times to figure it out.

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              That’s true. I think the sequels did a lot right. A woman as a main character was long overdue. The visuals are great, acting is good for the most part.

              But there’s no overall story that makes any sense and it contradicts the previous movies pretty much everywhere. 7 wasn’t very believable, but made at least some sense if seen on its own. 8 didn’t seem to have much story impact at all, people seem to just solve short term problems constantly. And 9 could well be a parody. A parody with a very big budget.

              I liked the spin off movies (Solo, Rogue One) a lot, though.

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                9 months ago

                It just kind of felt like they read a few of the EU novels and ripped off a few of their favorite parts without any of the buildup that made them significant.

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    9 months ago

    Wait 10 years, and people will make memes and change public opinion about the sequels.

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      Prequels weren’t great, but they were decent. I’d recommend watching them.

      There is a lot to live up to being prequels. People going to judge harshly.

      7-8 were just plain bad, I enjoy Star Wars stuff a bunch. I like the prequels more than most I feel. I don’t even have one single care to watch the 9th.

      I doubt it will change in 10 years.

      Memes, sure, but they will be only how bad they suck. People who meme about the prequels usually enjoyed them at least a little.

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        I love giving first time watchers the machete watching order. Watch episode 4 and 5, and then watch 2 and 3 to give Vader some backstory after he reveals that he’s Luke’s dad. Then cap it off with episode 6 as the conclusion for Luke’s and Anakin’s story.

        Or I can start with Rogue One. I know one of my friends became a fan after watching Rogue One.

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          My new favorite order is been Rogue One, 4, 5, then 1, 2, and 3 of the Hal 9000 edits, then 6. The fan edits are generally a little shorter, so the watching them all between 5 and 6 is less of a slog than the original 1, 2, and 3.

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        The prequels are bad. The third one started getting it right, but then they were done.

        They had good ideas to expand the Star Wars lore, but bad acting and bad writing ruined them.

        I actually prefer the sequels, but imo The Mandalorian is the best Star Wars project to date.

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        9 months ago

        8 killed Star Wars for me. I don’t think I will ever watch the 9. Or what ever cash grabs they try next.

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      9 months ago

      I saw the originals as a child, and thus loved them.

      I saw the prequels as an adult, and was kinda meh on 1 but loved 2 and 3.

      While still an adult, I felt the same way about 7 and 8 as I did about 1.

      But 9? I thought there was something wrong with me at first. I literally couldn’t believe what I’d just seen. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on that! It still hurts my brain to imagine all those people buying off on that script… It must have been an emperor’s new clothes sort of situation. Such a waste of so many things.

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        9 months ago

        The Last Jedi also has a lot of problems, but The Rise of Skywalker is possibly the worst film in the entire franchise. I’m still annoyed about the fact that they had a better script with a genuinely interesting story (Duel of the Fates), and cancelled it for the shitshow that was Rise of Skywalker.

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        I found 9 enjoyable, but I had no expectations that it would be good or coherent. 8 made sure that there was no chance of that.

        For what 9 had to do in a single movie, it did a reasonable job. Kylo had to be redeemed, Rey needed her jedi moment, an actual threat needed to be established, Leia’s death needed acknowledgement, rebels/resistance needed to be more than 20 people on a ship, poe and finn needed some sort of arc, and the good guys had to win.

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          What was so wrong with the Last Jedi? I see reactions like this a lot but I thought it was far from being the worst star wars I’ve seen, and as a casual watcher of this series it was one of the few of them I actually enjoyed.

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            The main criticism of The Last Jedi is that it threw away everything The Force Awakens had set up. By the end of it there was almost no Resistance, no Snoke, no Luke (which might be a good thing considering what it did to his character), no payoff to the setup for Rey’s past, and everyone who wasn’t Rey or Kylo went backwards in their character arcs.

            Just like The Force Awakens was hated by fans for throwing away the resolution of the original movies in order to set up A New Hope 2.0.

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            As part two of a three part series it fails miserably, especially if you factor in meta information like Kylo will be good by the end of 9 or Carrie Fischer passing. If you pretend it’s a stand alone movie and not in an established universe, it’s a bit less bad.

            It killed every thread from episode 7, and didn’t make new ones. It created major canonical problems with the Holdo maneuver and hyperspacetacking. It just copied empire, but in a slightly different order and threw in the throne scene from episode 6. It used the played out theme of the failures of the jedi, that the first 6 movies covered pretty thoroughly amd better. It declared Poe a failure, but the battle as depicted shows he was clearly right to get the dreadnought kill. The whole concept of the galaxies slowest chase, despite hyperspace existing. There’s several instances of people teleporting for the plot, notably Rose saving Finn. The casino side plot to find a one of a kind super hacker, but a random guy in jail can do it too. The leaders of the bad guys are now Hux, who was turned into comedic relief, and Kylo, who has to be good, and was bested by Rey and Luke. Rey never gets training, and never fails (other than failing to get training), remains absurdly skilled with the force. Finn’s character reverted from the growth at the end of the previous movie, and then had essentially the same arc.

            The movie did have some really great looking cgi though. The holdo maneuver looks amazing. The red on crait is stunning.

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      9 months ago

      The difference is that the prequels are still enjoyable, entertaining films with a lot of good aspects.

      The sequels aren’t.

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          3 is great once order 66 starts at least. first half or so of 3 is pretty boring.

          I choose to forget about 2 because it was just a load of nothing.