“I declare that I am not a citizen of this country!”
Also:
“Give me a passport”I don’t want to register my child, so instead a signed an affidavit and filed it with my local branch of government.
“I want all the rights of a citizen, but none of the responsibility!”
Right? My first thought was a sovereign citizen meant they simply want to exist without needing documentation to prove that they exist. But then I saw how complicated it got like they really want a passport? They really want documentation but they don’t want WHAT exactly? I don’t understand.
The fun part is that the Department of State will send them a letter saying, “you can either provide a birth certificate or not, but we’re keeping your money either way.” Also, if the parent tries to “correct” their own passport, they’ll get a different letter that says, “you can have the same regular ass passport you already have or you can have nothing, aaand we’re keeping your money either way.”
So I guess enjoy spending like $300 for nothing.
So I guess enjoy spending like $300 for nothing.
Don’t forget the endless victimizing by a unjust government that they refuse to recognize as legitimate. They really get off when that happens.
I’m sure I’m just over thinking some of the process!
Yeah, overthinking, that’s your problem buddy.
The random capitalization of letters mid-sentence drives me unreasonably crazy.
As a Sovereign Citizen they are not Subject to your rules Of proper grammar And spelling
I choose to believe that they had to google the spelling of those words - and then copied and pasted them in.
renouncing my status
Please tell me this means renouncing their citizenship. Always hilarious watching people set up a bear trap, sharpen the teeth real good, double check the springs, and then intentionally step right on it
You can’t actually renounce your citizenship if you’re not also the citizen of another country
US citizens, as an exception, actually can. But one has to be in another country first. Most other countries don’t let their citizens renounce their citizenship without having another citizenship.
This gonna be so unfortionant for the kid
I love misspellings you can hear
My wife has found a YouTube channel that is nothing but SovCits getting arrested after escalating traffic stops & it is truly a salve for my soul.
The fact that black American SovCits exist, absolutely blows my mind.
The fact that British & Australian SovCits exist is absolutely ridiculous.
The sovcit arrests are hilarious. The Moorish black sovcits are some of the wildest. I’m in all their Facebook groups and the things they believe are crazy bonkers batshit.
spill the tea sister
Here’s one from yesterday:
Damn, they have the brain function to navigate all this bureacratic red tape but still mental acrobat their way into sovcitizenship.
I need to see this. Link?
If it’s the same guy I’m thinking of, it’s a bald dude with glasses and he plays on MoistCritical’s competitive esports or video game team (whatever that is called).
Is that the dude who got stopped at an AG station between Nevada and Cali, refused to allow the service person to inspect his vehicle for foreign pests, and then proceeded to ignore the cops requests for documentation to issue him a ticket (that he could contest in court if he wanted, avoiding the whole situation), 100s of times before crying when they smashed his car window and arrested him?
Because that shit was hysterical.
It’s on my wife’s phone, but she said to search for Van Balion to start down the rabbit hole.
EDIT: Law Talk with Mike was another one.
I’m confused, they aren’t part of (country) but they registered with it and want a passport from it anyway?
Why haven’t they been deported?
Pretty sure you are not allowed to renounce your citizenship if you only have one. I’m guessing it is so at least one country is ultimately responsible for them.
I know there are still cases where the country doesn’t exist anymore, but we are talking about people intentionally trying to abuse the system.
Fun fact: in order to get citizenship in Germany by way of naturalization, you must first renounce your current citizenship before you can proceed to become a German citizen. The process makes the applicant stateless.
In the United States, you can renounce your citizenship without having another nationality, therefore becoming stateless. You will just not have the rights that come with being a citizen. But there are caveats and they will deny your request if you express that you want to keep some of your citizenship rights.
Source https://www.germany-visa.org/german-citizenship/by-naturalization/ https://md.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/renounce-citizenship/
That’s alot of hoops to jump through for absolutely no benefit whatsoever.
Facebook should have a “call CPS” report function.
Sovereign citizens are just playing at being anarchists.
They still expect the state to protect them & cater to them.
“What do you mean I can’t just get all the benefits without any of the responsibilities? I want to talk to your manager.”
Anarchists have the ultimate social responsibility, taking part in all decisions and participating fully in their community.
Whatever they’re doing is the opposite, but I guess they both disagree with hierarchal power.
unfortionantly
Unfortionantly, prangent formed.
Can someone explain to a non-usa person what is sovereign citizen ?
As an aside, sovcits are not an exclusively US phenomenon. Most Commonwealth nations have some version of “freemen on the land” which is basically the same thing, though the specific details they fixate on may be different. I’ve also heard there’s a German version as well.
Even in the US it’s not exclusively MAGA-ish militia types or super fundamentalists. There’s also the Moorish National strain, for example, which operates under the idea that the US Government is actually just a corporation operating under the sovereignty of an imaginary “Moorish Empire” in Africa, East India Company-style, whose existence is covered up by some kind of conspiracy
There are German, Austrian and Swiss versions, yes.
The biggest and best known groups are the “Reichsbürger” who in one way or another reject the legitimacy of the German state. Very popular is the conspiracy-narrative that the Reich still exists and that Germany is actually just a corporation working on the territory of the Reich, that you can simply quit or that there is no peace-treaty between the Allied Powers and Germany and so Germany is still occupied by the Allies.
Some of the so-called Reichsbürger are just a bit crazy, others are clearly right-wing extremists
- Head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution in the federal state of Brandenburg
They are partly directed and supported by the Russian foreign intelligence service, have contacts to some SovCit movements in the US and Canada, QAnon and the Proud Boys and have been known to be violent, hoarding weapons and some have shot at police, so they are being cracked down on pretty hard right now.
Sovereign citizen is a term some people to describe themselves. They feel they should be allowed to live in and benefit from society without being subject to the rules or duties that go along with that. It is not a real status and has no legal basis. The groups like this person has joined are an echo chamber where they feed each other bad interpretations of laws and loopholes. When they inevitably end up in court they will agree the loophole applies. It never works.
They often have a very poor understanding of the law, they think lawyers are basically wizards and if they too say the right magic words (“the flag in this court has a gold fringe which means it’s an admiralty court and you don’t have jurisdiction”) then they won’t have to pay their traffic fine or taxes or whatever it is that they don’t want to pay for
There is some truth in their belief that “the Law” is a lot more flexible than the rest of us realize.
Look at the kid gloves the courts have used with Trump’s cronies and other right-wing kooks. Alex Jones is a great example; owes over a billion dollars in restitution and hasn’t paid one cent. The court’s response has been "lol, blood from a turnip ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ".
The law is pretty much a sham.
That’s not magic though, that’s money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
Tl;dr is nutters/scammers who believe they can opt out of the laws/responsibilities of being a citizen.
