PRIMARY VERIFICATION QUESTIONS
1-I heard it was a “tankie” wiki, so I came to start a discussion.
2-Social Democracy/Democratic Socialism. I believe that a bloody revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat are unnecessary and even counter-productive to our goals of a more egalitarian and compassionate society.
3-I disagree with your support of socialist dictatorships. “Dictatorships of the proletariat” are often smokescreens for tyranny in the name of socialism, with China and North Korea, in addition to being totalitarian state capitalist and Orwellian monarcho-theocratic regimes respectfully, not even calling themselves Marxist-Leninist. In addition, your support of theocratic and kleptocratic states because they “oppose NATO imperialism” is nonsensical, especially when Russia and China also engage in imperialist escapades, both beyond their borders and inside them (in the form of cultural genocide).
4-I support LGBTQIA+.
5-Stalin and Mao were totalitarian tyrants with a red coat of paint.
6-China is more capitalist than the Nordic countries and North Korea is an unholy hybrid of Orwellian dystopia, fascist state, fundamentalist theocracy, absolute monarchy and Kool-Aid-chugging cult. I haven’t heard much about the others.
SECONDARY VERIFICATION QUESTIONS
2-A non-AuthSoc/“tankie” perspective to start discussions over.
3-I think Native Americans should be allowed to return to their ancestral lands, and be given more rights.
4-I dont know about Marxist-Feminism, but I am a feminist myself.
5-Nonononono. No breaking up families to raise kids in Huxleyan labs, if that’s what you’re implying.
6-I’m not sure. For Singapore, shifting the PAP back towards it’s SocDem, roots. For the UK, fixing the Conservative mess. For Hong Kong, liberating it from Chinese control.
7-I don’t quite see much of one, apart from, like, neo-feudalists (fuck feudalists).
8-Both sides need to find peace. Hamas and the current Israeli administration are both just making things worse.
The way this person insults DPRK citizens’ intelligence is just unbelievable. “Kool-aid chugging cult”. They are just people like everyone else ffs
It’s doubly disrespectful when you realize that people in Jonestown knew the Kool Aid was poisoned and tried to escape but were forced to drink it at gunpoint. But libs love misunderstanding actual tragedy so they can smugly trot out bad clichés.
Libs love infantilizing entire cultures and peoples. It’s the only way their mind can accept that people in countries they consider to be ‘bad guys’ may actually lead happy and successful lives.
It’s an intense form of brainrot, though. They’re categorizing potentially millions of people under the same umbrella of ‘woefully mislead.’ Like, fuck off. Maybe they’re happy. Maybe they think you’re woefully mislead.
oh, so it’s not racism if it’s paternalist racism, that’s just the liberal man’s burden
Dude let me in! Im just here to ”start a discussion”!
Best use of an Ito panel… Ever.
this is so weird, normally I would say that this is just trolling but there was way too much effort put into these answers, this is actually their opinions. why would they waste their time writing all this out when they have to know they’re not getting approved
I assume their request was denied
There are some assumptions that are always safe bets to make, and this is one of them
Hey now, don’t be mean. This is what a privileged life in Sweden (I assume) does to you. Trust me, I am all but surrounded by these people!
“What, are you a socialist or something, so you want everyone to suffer equally, hehe”
Singapore actually, but honestly not that far off practically
I was so sure it had to be one of my countrymen, but there you go. I guess we all have more in common than we believe, and here I thought I was progressive enough already. Sarcasm (obviously?), but I’m new to Lemmy so I thought I’d make it clear, I’m always a bit paranoid about sarcasm when writing on forums and social media.
This.
Pure gold, a consolidation of every opinion spouted by online leftists
*liberals
Imagine being privileged enough in life that you think “authority” is something that can just be cast aside or ignored.
I simply do not abide by Mother’s authoritarian bedtimes
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Yeah, fuck a cracker; that’s the whole box of saltines.
Typical cuckdem L.
I think you just coined a new term
From the MLGJoe GLossary (Stolen Alt-right terms section)
Wisconcom?
This time on ‘left-liberal thinks they’ll get approved to access a controlled forum by admitting to being a bad faith actor who wants to start unproductive debates’
>left-liberalLiterally an oxymoron
“Both sides need to find peace” which is such a willfully ignorant rejection of the reality of the situation.
It’s a marriage of “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor” and “If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
Si vis pacem, baby.
No one said that the proletarian revolution has to be bloody. Even no one said that there has to be violence. However, the bourgeoisie will first resort to violence. See 1905 in Russia. The red terror was also only a reaction to the white terror. It is up to the bourgeoisie how a revolution will take place. I hope it is understandable what I am trying to say
You shouldn’t even need to frame it from a ‘leftist’ perspective. Just look at America’s own revolution. Up until the declaration of Independence the colonists used nonviolent means, such as petitions, to protest the abuse of the monarchy. Each attempt to request peaceful negotiations was met by more neglect and more abuse. The monarchy refused peaceful transition and opted to be more aggressive and oppressive to the colonists. Once they declared independence, the monarchy needed to put down this insurrection through violence and coercion. History shows us that they were unsuccessful.
America’s own History shows us that when revolutionaries are denied, via peaceful means, the right of secession, the choice is either submit or be defiant. That defiance needs to be snuffed out, and the state has all the tools they need to do that.
I’m sure an analysis of revolutions, successful or otherwise, throughout history would show you that the state had no interest in a peaceful transition. Because the state has everything to lose and nothing to gain.
It’s almost like all of recorded history is defined by struggle between oppressor and the oppressed. Those tend not to be diplomatic relationships.
But maybe I’m talking out my ass, so let me know if I am.
No everything is correct. You extended my words good
I think you are being clear, I think Liberals have trouble understanding this dynamic. Even among those close to me when we talk socialism, they tent to favor the “why do socialists have to kill to take power” perspective. I say, well, if we ask for it, they don’t give us power. If we take it peacefully via strike or protest, they create violence with a legal system that only protects property owners, when we begin to fight back, they escalate, when we actually fight, we’re called ‘fascists’ because “we’re the ones breaking the law” (The laws that the property owners created to protect themselves).
But Liberals stick to their guns… “Then change the laws!!”. Okay, do it. Change the law, go on, I’m tired of talking. Do it. You can’t, can you… You can’t vote in who you want, everyone on the ballot have licked boot to get the money to be ahead, they aren’t on your side. The judges have licked boot, the lawyers live off the boot.
Oh sure, there are some people on our side. They run for president and get like 3% of the vote. They are lawyers that refuse to work for big-corp, and get paid 50k/yr to do good work, etc. But the judges that work toward “rehabilitation” instead of “retaliation” are considered “soft on crime”. Those lawyers are “not successful”. Those progressive candidates “steal votes from the dems”. Here we are, doing the work, and the Libs don’t care.
So yeah, if we want to make change, it’s up to the bourgeoisie to determine how it goes. But they will always pick violence.
Liberals don’t consider the daily amount of violence required to maintain their current cushy lifestyles. They look at an alternatives and see self-determination and self-defense as violence, yet they eagerly create justifications and defenses for the cancer of capitalism and the daily buckets of blood that sustain it.
Fantastic point and I have brought that up. “Hey your lifestyle requires murder, slavery, child slavery, etc.”, and their response is “yeah that sucks, I hate it, America does do bad things”.
“So let’s fight to change it”
“Violence is not a response to violence”
Is it not… Seriously… Ugh I fucking hate it. Let them use all the guns and you can sit on your “high moral ground”, still leading that cushy lifestyle btw…
One point of leverage that I use is MLK, who libs pay a fair bit of lip service to.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Damn, I’ve seen that quote a couple times but putting it in perspective is important. Yeah, that might actually convince some liberals to think twice. I never give myself the goal of converting someone within a conversation, I know that’s basically impossible. But giving food for thought is important. My example spans multiple conversations, it is kinda a straw man example, but I always struggle to determine the detail of my posts haha. But yeah, that is a quote that I think people can bite into and think about for a while. Thanks for the suggestion.
The ruling regime always sterilizes the radical figures it cannot ignore, which is a weakness I try to exploit. Even republicans will quote MLK, so I try to use their lip service against themselves to drop truth bombs. And like you said, it’s food for thought. I’m not debating anyone, just stating facts. Just trying to sew seeds where I go.
What a hot mess of a person. I see these type of people roaming the Internet acting like they have no idea that actual Chinese people living in China are on the Internet. Yes most people can’t access a lot of content due to Internet regulations, I wonder what Microsoft did to be allowed in China, oh I know, comply with the local laws and regulations!
These people think that society will improve just by being “compassionate”, but look at all the hateful things they spew.
