• Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    531·
    10 months ago

    You know what the problem is? it’s that Youtube and more broadly speaking Google have completely squandered the benefit of the doubt.

    All the shit about demonetizing channels for breaking ever shifting rules they haven’t published…no. If Youtube treated content creators well, I might consider it, but they don’t so I don’t.

    • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      7·
      10 months ago

      Content creators are a dime a dozen to them. And it’s easy to see why. They’re running an advertising platform, not a nursery for budding filmmakers. We create the value for youtube, they reap the profits.

    • inverted_deflector@startrek.website
      5·
      10 months ago

      Yeah the way they treat the creators on their platform, the way they handle copyright claims, the way they handle flase copyright claims, the way their algorithm radicalized a populace, their child feed is unmanaged and feeds children exploited by the worst of content farms, and the fact that they have a monopoly over the online video market.

      I understand the web has a problem with monetizing content and its killing things like journalism and a lot of the third party internet, but I will continue to not feel bad about the expenses that the billion dollar company has to spend on server costs.

  • Jeze3D@mstdn.games
    6824·
    10 months ago

    @balderdash9 YouTube Premium is actually a great value if you’re like me and use YouTube Music as your main music app. It’s only a few dollars more than Spotify and I get ad free YouTube included.

    • BigMoe@lemmy.zipEnglish
      297·
      10 months ago

      I agree. I have the YouTube Premium Family Plan.

      For me, the price for Spotify and YouTube Premium famil was really close, and getting ad free YouTube and downloads in app for the same price sold it

      Plus, YouTube Music lets you add versions of songs on YouTube that aren’t official (at least it did).

      So, yeah, the way they push insane ads is terrible, but I like the product

      • HeyMrDeadMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        10 months ago

        Your comment just reminded me that I’ve been paying for the family plan to include my father. The same guy that just kicked me out of the house I’d been paying him rent for.

        Screw that guy. Enjoy your unskippable ads pops!

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
      202·
      10 months ago

      YouTube Music replacing Play Music is the main reason why Google can go fuck itself with YouTube Premium

      • FrostKing@lemmy.world
        81·
        10 months ago

        Why is that a bad thing? Genuine question, not rhetorical.

        That just means that you get more with your subscription (YouTube features as well) doesn’t it?

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
          102·
          10 months ago

          Because Play Music was a vastly superior product and they killed it to push people to pay for YouTube Premium.

    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
      145·
      10 months ago

      Yeah I’ve been using the subscription since it was rolled into Google Music (RIP). Also use the family plan which helps with the value prop as well.

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      611·
      10 months ago

      Yeah, but you get all of the crappy mp3 torrent rips that people uploaded as part of your music list that you pay for. Low quality music stream that costs money? No thanks!

      • Vash63@lemmy.world
        182·
        10 months ago

        What? YouTube music is professionally sourced music like any other major service. You can upload your own music for personal use, but included music comes from the publishers.

        Where did you get that crazy idea?

        • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
          24·
          10 months ago

          I think anyone can upload to YouTube music, or at least it’s a lot easier than most platforms to get onto, so they have a point there.

          There is a recommendation algorithm though, so if whatever you upload is terrible, it won’t go anywhere.

        • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
          110·
          10 months ago

          People upload poor quality songs to YouTube. Look up “song name lyrics” for an example. Those songs get mixed in with all the official songs when you’re listening on YouTube. Plus their interface just kinda sucks.

          • Vash63@lemmy.world
            7·
            10 months ago

            This thread is about YouTube music, not YouTube. You can’t see other people’s uploads on YouTube music, it’s only from the labels.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
            5·
            10 months ago

            Are you confusing YouTube and YouTube music? You do understand they’re separate services, right?

        • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
          16·
          10 months ago

          People upload poor quality songs to YouTube. Look up “song name lyrics” for an example. Those songs get mixed in with all the official songs when you’re listening on YouTube. Plus their interface just kinda sucks.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
            51·
            10 months ago

            No, they don’t. There is a recommendation algorithm, and it doesn’t recommend low quality shite. Their algorithm is actually pretty good.

            • Gabu@lemmy.world
              25·
              10 months ago

              hahahahahaha

              Good joke, having “algorithm” and “good” in the same sentence when talking about Google shit.

                • WldFyre@lemm.ee
                  31·
                  10 months ago

                  That person thinks we’d be happier if we were all back to being serfs, I’m gonna ignore their takes on music recommendation algorithms lol

      • Jeze3D@mstdn.games
        3·
        10 months ago

        @Anticorp it has all the high quality uploads of other music services plus songs that are uploaded by users that aren’t available elsewhere, but go off.

      • StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world
        29·
        10 months ago

        But wait! When searching for your song you also get: 1) some girl in her basement playing a cover on piano, 2) some dude in his bedroom playing a cover on guitar, 3) some lonely divorcee’s ripped version where lyrics scroll across static images of sunsets, 4) some crappy handheld video taken from the back row of a shitty venue from 2009. What a bargain!

    • lobut@lemmy.ca
      182·
      10 months ago

      I pay for the family plan. My parents and brother and such use it like mad.

      Definitely worth it to me considering how many devices it runs on. Also, I can download gigs of videos and watch them on commutes or on a flight.

    • Venator@lemmy.nz
      10·
      10 months ago

      Also if you have Spotify you can just cancel that and use YouTube music instead.

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
      103·
      10 months ago

      No idea what you‘re talking about. Ad block takes care of that. Even works on apple. Havent seen an ad in years.

        • KombatWombat@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 months ago

          I also get them occasionally despite having “Hide Youtube Premium promotion” enabled in Revanced:Extended. I haven’t updated in a long time however, so it might be fixed in later versions

  • FrostKing@lemmy.world
    341·
    10 months ago

    I know this won’t be the most popular opinion, but honestly if they hadn’t raised the price and I had the money, I probably would have YouTube premium. This is only because YouTube happens to be my main source of video entertainment, informational content, etc. and I also use YouTube music for all my music (though I highly recommend the app InnerTune to anyone that wants to be able to turn their phone off while listening to music etc.) Now that the price is so much higher, it’s not even close to worth it, but if it was… I don’t know, 5 bucks a month? Sure, I’ll pay it. Ofc if much rather pay like 50 bucks for a lifetime subscription, but god knows they’re never doing that.

    • other_cat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      10 months ago

      I had it and cancelled after they raised the price. You’re google, you don’t need more of my money.

    • VonCesaw@lemmy.world
      71·
      10 months ago

      It’s about $5 a month if you have a family plan with every slot filled. Works out GREAT if you have that many people willing to pay in

  • noobnarski@feddit.de
    281·
    10 months ago

    I already had adblock before the whole stupid adblock block. I support the creators I watch, can listen to videos with the screen off, and I also use YT Music, so its a good deal for me.

    I can however understand anyone who doesnt want to pay for YT Premium and doesnt want to be blasted by scam ads. Ads shouldnt be this annoying.

    • PoolloverNathan@programming.devEnglish
      10·
      10 months ago

      Just want to mention that if you’re affected by the anti-adblock, use µBlock Origin. It’s usually updated about as fast as the anti-adblock is.

    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
      41·
      10 months ago

      I totally agree. I feel that the services I get for my membership fee are adequate. It is not problem for me to pay for a decent service. The day they inject ads into a paid account is the day I leave, however.

  • Sami_Uso@lemmy.world
    17·
    10 months ago

    I pay for premium because I don’t have a real PC. Heresy, I know. When I watch YouTube on my PS5 app I can’t use an adblocker. There’s solutions, sure, but I’ve gotten rid of almost every other sub service BUT YouTube prem at this point.

    I guess I’m saying all of this because I feel guilty about paying for YouTube fucking premium lmao

    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
      13·
      10 months ago

      Don’t feel guilty. If it works for you, that’s all that matters. I’ve been a Premium customer for a few years now just because I think the provided services and lack of ads are worth it. Nothing wrong with paying for services you enjoy.

    • revdrnegative@lemmy.world
      9·
      10 months ago

      Ehh, I have it too and I don’t mind paying. But, I’m still paying $7.99 a month since I was an early adopter of Google music, R.I.P…

      • SecretSauces@lemmy.world
        11·
        10 months ago

        This is the way.

        I’ve been paying since the early GPM days and at this point, everything else is more expensive. It just makes financial sense to keep YT Premium.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      8·
      10 months ago

      To me it is the opposite.

      I will never use a network device to browse the internet if it doesn’t have a proper adblocker.

      Don’t feel guilthy though

    • XIIIesq@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 months ago

      I wouldn’t feel guilty. A lot of the content creators make some really great stuff that takes a lot of their own time and resources, why shouldn’t they get paid for that?

    • Gabu@lemmy.world
      52·
      10 months ago

      Here’s a trick, don’t let YT know: if you close the video as soon as an ad loads, there will be no ads when you open it again.

    • BruceTwarzen@kbin.social
      1·
      10 months ago

      I don’t think you should feel guilty if you use it. I’m at a point where i have more enjoyment in finding youtube adblock loopholes than using youtube itself. I don’t have a console but i’d love to find a good adblock/sponsorblock that works on a ps 5

  • Mac@mander.xyz
    171·
    10 months ago

    YouTube had me as a paying subscriber until they fucked it all up. Great job assholes.

  • Matriks404@lemmy.world
    13·
    10 months ago

    Content creators get 55% of the value of YouTube Premium. That’s one of the major reasons I got it. I only wish it could remove sponsored fragments (fuck these) from videos, but I use SponsorBlock for that.

  • SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
    12·
    10 months ago

    I would have been a begrudging subscriber if they hadn’t removed the dislike count and forced ads on unmonetized creators and took all the money from those ads. But because they did that, I got a subscription to Nebula instead.

    • Syntax@lemmy.world
      82·
      10 months ago

      Do you realise how ridiculously expensive it is for Google to store all these videos? To be honest I’m surprised how long they’ve survived, without charging.

      You essentially get unlimited free video storage using YouTube, yes I suspect 90% of it is crap. But it’s amazing that Google still offer that. Running YouTube must be significantly more expensive than any other similar services like Netflix, YouTube, Instagram etc.

      • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        10 months ago

        Well, guess what. Poor Google knew and should’ve thought about that before buying YouTube. Nobody forced them to.

      • SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
        1·
        10 months ago

        They’ve been profitable since 2015. I’m fine with some ads on the videos, they need to make money somehow, and I really like how they do give YouTubers a majority of the revenue.

        However, many of their recent-ish decisions are incredibly greedy and disgusting, like what I mentioned previously, and the retroactive taking away your revenue if the system flags your video as demonetized after it already made some revenue.

        Plus, instead of adding useful features for viewers and creators, they spend that money on fEaTuReD cOnTeNt and oH lOoK wE cHaNgEd ThE uI (read: We pointlessly moved stuff around, removed features, and made the experience take 1.5x as much resources as before)

  • SolNine@lemmy.ml
    164·
    10 months ago

    Best deal is YT premium family, I have 5 or 6 people on it with no commercials on YT and YT music which is great for our use cases as well. Yes it’s like $25 a month, but everyone that uses it loves it!

    I consume a lot of YT, for “How it’s made” and project shows there really isn’t anything remotely comparable. No ads and FF through sponsored content is awesome.

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
      102·
      10 months ago

      Best deal is running an invidious server.

      Literally entire youtube, free without ads, no account to do tracking, easy download button and best of all straightforward home page that can list uploads from subscriptions.

      Honestly if this suits your family keep it. But youtube exploiting its creators for admoney cannot be the best deal.

      • SolNine@lemmy.ml
        5·
        10 months ago

        I believe someone else mentioned 55% of premium revenue goes to creators. That is a fairly significant share, plus the cost of hosting content and maintaining the appliances etc etc. It seems reasonable to me for less than $5 per person per month.

          • SolNine@lemmy.ml
            1·
            10 months ago

            I’m on it and do have a sub, but it’s for someone unrelated to YT content. If I find a channel I can’t live without I’ll consider it but I have super ADD taste on subject matter.

        • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
          32·
          10 months ago

          Its more then i thought but it gets split between creators you watch and its pretty vague on how that is devided, per view, based on time watched? With so many crap suggested and auto play id love to see some stats, many creators i enjoy switched to unmonitized and patriot support long before premium was a thing.

          I get that hosting content costs money but that doesn’t stop systems like torrentio to provide entirely free streams of literally any show in multiple variations of 4k resolution.

          It doesn’t have to be this way and the creators deserve much more.

          But i too have a family, i understand the value in plug an play convenience, i can definitely see how its worth it you. If it works, and is affordable don’t change it.

          But for everyone else who may be tempted, there are great alternatives to watch and support alternatives without paying the techdragons toll.

  • SuperSynthia@lemmy.world
    8·
    10 months ago

    If they successfully stop Adblocking I’m going all in on Odyssee and Peertube. I’ve been slowly migrating already anyway

    • PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz
      21·
      10 months ago

      I’m too weak for that, but you could perhaps try Grayjay out. According to the boomers it’s kinda like AOL. It works pretty alright, it gives me vids from yt, odysee, rumble, twitch, peertube etc. Pretty pog to say the least.