“We’ve almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!” The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.

“Senator Amidala is in a coma. Even if she recovers, she will never be the same and may not live long.” But no… George had to have his god-damned funeral scene, even if it demanded Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to save Carrie Fisher’s most emotionally resonant moment from ROTJ, as well as one of the more intriguing OT lore dumps.

Bonus points if a scene was scripted or filmed and got cut.

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    The Martian when the main airlock blows up.

    He ends up taping a plastic sheet over the hole with what I assume is super strong space tape and plastic and then continues to live in the station for 550 more days.

    We spend the first half of the movie learning how unforgiving the environment is, and how delicate his ecosystem for life is, but you can also blow half the place up and just tape some plastic over the hole.

    They did a much better job of explaining it in the book, but the movie literally went “just tape that bitch up with plastic, then we’ll throw a wind storm at it to prove it’s good forever”

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      Another big plot hole in the Martian, also present in the book, is that messages are encoded in hexadecimal. But then why did he have a separate question mark card, when all punctuation can be encoded in ASCII/hex? Also both him andNASA wrote in all caps. Again they have a full ascii set. Makes no sense.

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        The question card is where he writes. He calls it that because that’s where he writes questions.

        They also don’t encode spaces when they talk to him I always assume that was to save time. They only have about 8 hours a day and they can only send one message every 30 minutes or so. If they take too long to send a message they’ll cut into the next message and they need to give him time to go back inside.

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          Ah so it’s a position where they can read his messages. They does make more sense. However all caps still doesn’t. The messages should have used caps to delineate abbreviated words. Like their first message “HOW ALIVE?” Could have been HwAliv? Which of course could be interpreted as “how are you even alive?” Or “how alive are you?”

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            The other thing of course is that he just wrote it in all caps because they are simple straight lines. In the book it’s explained that the only way he can keep track of what they’re writing is to draw it in the dirt with a metal rod. Because all the ink in the pens boils off if he takes them out into Mars’s atmosphere and the laptops also break because the liquid in the LCD boils off.

            That is also why they need to give him time to go back inside to write the next question. He can’t use the pens outside.

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              Well then the movie makers screwed up when they showed the hexadecimal ASCII lookups, because it’s all upper case.

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      The only explanation for the wind storm and the tape is that the atmosphere had already been teraformed to be much much thicker, to the point that its at a survivable pressure for breathing, the only problem is lack of oxygen and too cold.

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      Isn’t there something like the gravity on Mars is so low that even though there are massive dust storms with fast winds, they feel like a gentle breeze, and would never be able to topple a solid object, let alone a space ship.

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        Yeah the author addressed that. He said he needed a way for the main character to be isolated and presumed dead for the story to work and really couldn’t come up with anything so he had to kind of abandon reality for a bit.

        There was actually a community back on Reddit dedicated to fixing that bit of the story.

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        So, in the book:

        When he’s making water out of hydrazine from the MDV, he gets the process a little wrong and accidentally causes an explosion. This slightly stresses the canvas around one of the three airlocks. He prefers to use that airlock to the other two because it’s the closest to the rover chargers, so he uses that one the most. Every time he cycles the airlock, it slightly expands and contracts, repeatedly stressing the canvas until it fails.

        The resulting explosion hurls the airlock over 100 meters from the HAB, cracks the airlock and in the resulting tumble he bashes in his EVA suit’s helmet. So he fixes the crack with duct tape, cuts his space suit’s arm off, uses the resin from a patch kit to glue the arm material over the broken helmet (in the movie the helmet is kind of cracked and he tapes over it) so he has to go into the wrecked HAB, get one of the other space suits, change in one of the rovers, then fix the HAB.

        It is established that the mission was designed to survive a HAB breach, and was supplied with spare canvas and adhesive resin to make repairs, which he did. He had to reduce the height of the ceiling in that section of the HAB to make it fit, and from then on he alternated use of the other two airlocks.

        The book kicked a lot more of the shit out of Watney. The movie doesn’t even mention killing Pathfinder, the dust storm enroute to the MAV or rolling the rover over.

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          It’s a delusion that including that link on your posts carries additional power of copyright on the content of the post under the terms of the linked license and will somehow stop any commercial entity from harvesting that data.

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                  Most Lemmy instances don’t have any sort of licensing grant in their terms of service. So that means that the original author maintains all ownership of their work.

                  So technically what these people are doing is granting a license to their comment that allows it to be used for more than would otherwise be allowed by the default copyright protections.

                  This is accurate under American copyright law. Usually the reason you don’t maintain copyright on internet posts is because the site you’re posting on reserves the copyright for itself. Not on most Lemmy instances, though.

                  Those old Facebook posts with similar language were stupid. Users already gave away the license to Facebook. Cannot give away what you do not have.

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                    Which law applies though? Because an instance might end in .tv but he doesn’t actually have to be hosted in the TLD associated country.

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                People calling you out for being wrong isn’t astroturfing. It’s not an anti-AI licence and by definition does not restrict use (including AI-related) more than standard automatic copyright.

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                  People calling you out for being wrong isn’t astroturfing.

                  There’s been plenty of astroturfing going on in the last week. Not all comments are, but some are, and they have been repeating daily (can almost set a watch to it). In fact, they’ve been kind of sloppy and over the top in some cases. Didn’t think a Creative Commons license would trigger some astroturfer so badly, but apparently they really fear people using a license with their content/comments.

                  And as far as calling me out, constantly doing so over and over again, repeating the same points endlessly, is not something that is just ‘calling me out for being wrong’, that’s harassment/bullying. I’ve heard/talked to the people who disagree with me, so there’s no reason for them to repeat themselves to me endlessly and following me around from community to community, on a daily basis. Especially when by them following me they derail conversations in posts I’ve commented on (unless you want to explain to me how using a Creative Commons license is related to “What plot holes could be adequately explained away with a single shot or line of dialogue?”).

                  The place to discuss this issue is here: https://lemmy.world/post/14942506

                  It’s not an anti-AI licence and by definition does not restrict use (including AI-related) more than standard automatic copyright.

                  It talks about non vs commercial usage right in the license, so you are incorrect (and I’m betting not a lawyer also). Also, I got that name from someone else who also uses the license, so at least one other person agrees with me. Finally, it has restrictions in it that are not mentioned in the standard automatic copyright.

                  Besides all that, WTF is it to you? What business of this is yours? Are you some kind of ‘commercial’ police making sure commercialism is not slandered or something? Its a weird thing to get hung up on, let alone try to abolish/remove.

                  Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

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                    By using one of our public licenses, a licensor grants the public permission to use the licensed material under specified terms and conditions. If the licensor’s permission is not necessary for any reason–for example, because of any applicable exception or limitation to copyright–then that use is not regulated by the license. Our licenses grant only permissions under copyright and certain other rights that a licensor has authority to grant.

                    It says it right there in plain English, it only grants copyright permission where they need your permission anyway. The restrictions are to the additional rights you grant, it does not revoke other parties’ already existing rights unless they invoke this licence to use your work. The licence does not restrict commercial use for people not invoking the licence. It’s incredibly unlikely anyone “fears” you giving them more rights.

                    If you keep hearing the same arguments maybe you should consider what they’re saying instead of instantly dismissing them as astroturfers for disagreeing with you? Do any of them actually complain about the fact you’re licencing your content or are they complaining that you’re saying the licence does something it does not do?

                    As for “what business it is” of mine; this is a public forum. If you’re not ready to defend yourself don’t spread misinformation.

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            It’s like watching sovereign citizens write Void Without Prejudice on parking tickets and think it has any kind of validity. The law does not work on magic words it works on contracts.