• Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    If you have someone making life choices for you does it not make sense that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote? Someone has successfully made an argument you aren’t fit to run your own life. Not sure why they should be allowed to affect the lives of others. I’m not sure what the difference is, at least in some cases, between people with a guardian and children <18 y/o. And IDK of many clamoring to lower the voting age.

    If you want to argue that guardian and/or conservatorships are misused far too often then I’m with you on that.

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      6 months ago

      Guardianships are very often for severe physical disabilities with no intellectual imparement. Those people can’t vote either.

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      6 months ago

      Funny how Americans treat owing a gun an inalienable right, but voting is a privilege that could be taken off more easily than ‘The Second’

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        I’m game for not letting people capable of basic life choices to either, to be honest.

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        You can’t own guns if you’re conserved or have been involuntarily committed.

        Please keep gunownership out of this discussion unless you actually tried to purchase one alongsode the 4.2 million new gun owners since 2020. I dont care which side you’re on, but hoplophobia went out of style in my lefty circles since covid.

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      6 months ago

      Daily reminder that the average 15 year old is smarter than the average 70 year old by literally any psychometric standard.

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          Crapshoot, wisdom is aquired via both length of experience and breadth of experience. There is no way to objectively measure either, though id probably trust the wisdom of a 15 year old who fucks up constantly over that of some 70 year old yuppie who hasnt done anything stupid since the 70s.

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            Well, that’s true, but the hormones of a 15 year old impair their wisdom. Unless there is significant cognitive deterioration a 70 year old would have no problem with that.

            And, I’d bet on average the 70 year old has more weslth, breadth and length of experience. Pulling it 100% out of my ass though, no data to back it up.

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          “Wisdom” in this case meaning the prejudices accumulated over a lifetime? According to research, an average septuagenarian is more narcissistic, less literate, more bigoted, and less intelligent than the average teenager. Sometimes by multiple standard deviations. (I can provide sources).

          Couple the Flynn effect with lead poisoning and you have a gap of almost 30 IQ points in some areas of the country.

          By the way, have you ever seen an old person’s brain in an MRI? It’s missing like 20% of its volume.

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        15 year olds have much less knowledge.

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      This implies the people handing out these conservatorship judgements are infallible, which they aren’t.

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      If they submit a properly completed voting document, their vote should count. (It should also be easy to vote.)

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      Judges, at least in my area, are increasingly explicitly listing which rights are being taken and which rights remain with the individual. For example, financial concerns or driving may be directed to the guardian but the individual still has the right to get married. I would hope that voting would be one of those line items.

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      If you have someone making life choices for you does it not make sense that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

      As with the disenfranchisement of felons and inmates, there is a perverse incentive to put people you don’t want to vote into conservatorship.