Motherfuckers created a rule about how pointing out that overpopulation myths are ecofascistic lobbying is actually “bad faith” somehow so now every post, no matter what it is about, full of “this is why billions must die” bullshit.

There’s 500k subscribers btw.

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    That sub used to be part of the “reddit left” with a decent overlap with latestagecapitalism etc. Bernie era used to be a good time to “educate” people there about socialism, even if just pointing out that collapse is capitalism’s fault.

    But given the massive overlapping userbase a lot of those old users moved on, as you know the reddit “left” is a shadow now(thats being generous), so this is just another example of the overall trend of the site. Every criticism of capitalism/US is “political” therefore confined within blue vs red MAGA now.

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        I remember that and shitliberalssay being pretty good back then.

        Shitliberalssay was great because you’d get the odd confused conservative wander in and start agreeing with stuff before they realized where they were. I wonder if it’s still decent, probably a lot of crossover between that sub and here honestly, there was a similar vibe

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        I never unsuited, just got permabanned for anti-Nazi. The sub got worse as the number of subs grew. I had a few comments moderated out of existence back in the higher science content days for making concrete suggestions regarding the overpopulation of billionaires problem. If that’s ecofacism, then I am probably guilty as charged.

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      Anybody left of Clinton and a lot of people probablly slightly to her right correctly realized reddit wad a blighted place or got banned for saying dems aren’t going to save us.

      Fash has spread by like 50% over what it used to be in pretty much every subreddit putting some fo them at about 149%.

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      All of the legitimate, principled left on Reddit has been stamped out. All that’s left are the Vaushite types, and unabashed libs. The more decent subs are gonna get banned sooner or later and they know it. Even the subs for the good podcasts are in starvation mode.

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    pre-covid, It used to be a fairly chill place for people who had reached the “acceptance” stage of grief to look at graphs of ice sheet coverage and talk about maybe learning to grow potatoes.

    I hadn’t checked it in years, but it looks like the depressed climate scientists have been replaced by full blown survivalists and scared normies who think that collapse will be something fast, like a disaster movie, instead of the ongoing grind of people watching prices going up as wages stay the same, needing to hang on to clothing longer, no longer being able to see a doctor, or knowing their children will probably be unable to buy homes and start their own families.

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      Lots of fashies do worry about that stuff too, but they blame it on “socialism” and “wokeness”, and have a murder boner for anyone who’s to the left of Trump.

      It’s like the shit at Boeing. Instead of recognizing its problems as the end result of decades of the company putting profit ahead of safety and lobbying for deregulation, the chuds would rather blame diversity hiring.

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    It’s scary how many people say shit like “there are just too many people.”

    Like mother fucker the number ain’t the problem, over production of shitty food and plastic, and inefficient city planning are.

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        The wealthiest 70% regardless of location would buy the survivors some time to find solutions to their soon if not already extant climatological problems. I am in that cull and wish the survivors the best of luck.

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      Generally found asking people if they’re one of the surplus ones when they say this gets them to shut up.

      Not that it changes their mind but they generally have enough self awareness to j9t stay “no I mean a bu ch of other people should die” or if they do say they’re a mask off fascist and you know talking to them is a waste of time

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          They want to kill people that’s why it’s called eco fash.

          If they claim they just want everybody to stop having kids I’d love to hear their thoughts on 1) how to accomplish that and 2) how to have a functional society without young people.

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              The one child policy is not something any body should be looking to impose.

              A functional society with a disproportionate amount of males because families would just abort babies until they got a son.

              There is more than enough room and resources for everybody we just need to kill billionaires, not punish poor people for having children.

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      I saw a video where someone calculated Tylor swifts carbon footprint from just her private jet going across the US for a tour or whatever and it ended up being like over 160 tons of carbon. That’s just the traveling which means hers is even more. The Average AMERICAN is like 16 tons and the average non American is like 4-8 tons.

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    if it makes you feel better theyre way less active than here, this seems to be a recent turn in their moderation, not indicative of what 500k people who probably dont look at reddit anymore believe

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    It’s so stupid because there’s such a simple gotchya response. You think there are too many people for the resources we have, and some need to go one way or another? Then it makes sense to start with the people that use the most resources, right?

    In fact we probably don’t even need to get rid of that many - let’s just off the 5000 or so richest people on the planet, expropriate their stuff, and that will free up far more fuel, land, water, energy, money, whatever than you could possibly hope to get from letting millions in the global south perish.

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    Humans are a K-selected species. That means when we reach our carrying capacity we just reproduce less, we don’t have a ton of people die as a result. Overpopulation has always been a non issue.

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      r and K selection models just refer to the relative number of offspring produced each generation and the number that make it to maturity; it’s not really adequate to explain what happens when a species crosses over the carrying capacity line. It’s also not particularly useful for a species (like ours) that’s operating outside of ecological boundaries. Overpopulation is not an issue per se because we can’t assume that each individual in the human population is consuming roughly equal amounts of resources, so population growth doesn’t necessarily predict resource consumption growth.

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      I don’t really think this logic works under capitalism and the existence of modern farming. In any case, K selection implies the immiseration of millions after we’ve fucked the climate and drank all the water

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      What happens when humans are consuming the planet’s resources faster than the replenishment rate. It’s a concept called overshoot and we are currently in overshoot.

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    Are they fetishizing the Rust Cohle “humans need to walk hand in hand into extinction” line? Lol. Anyway, Marx helped settle this issue against Malthus and lazy Malthusians by showing how the material level of production sustains whatever the population is at