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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)
snrk
https://mastodon.social/@Daojoan/113228461302575676
Iām going to start replying to everything like Iām on Hacker News. Unhappy with Congress? Why donāt you just start a new country and write a constitution and secede? Itās not that hard once you know how. Actually, I wrote a microstate in a weekend using Rust.
I might be wrong but this sounds like a quick way to make the web worse by putting a huge computational load on your machine for the purpose of privacy inside customer service chat bots that nobody wants. Please correct me if Iām wrong
WebLLM is a high-performance in-browser LLM inference engine that brings language model inference directly onto web browsers with hardware acceleration. Everything runs inside the browser with no server support and is accelerated with WebGPU.
WebLLM is fully compatible with OpenAI API. That is, you can use the same OpenAI API on any open source models locally, with functionalities including streaming, JSON-mode, function-calling (WIP), etc.
We can bring a lot of fun opportunities to build AI assistants for everyone and enable privacy while enjoying GPU acceleration.
I do believe thatās the chrome-only horseshit that Proton uses for their local LLM, and reputedly itās very slow and fairly unreliable
chrome-only
The whole concept of responsive really died in the arse with the onset of the full stack web developer.
the web platform is great!
- your apps run everywhere (that a modern version of chrome runs)
- every API is pointlessly terrible because your app is simultaneously a document and an Angular monstrosity
- progressive enhancement! (is dead and theyāre Weekend at Bernieās-ing the body around knowing most web developers wonāt notice)
- itās an open platform! (controlled almost entirely by Google, with Appleās only role being to slow down the terrible fucking ideas coming out of the standards process, and all other parties being effectively Google mouthpieces)
Did you ever see that A16z funded startup that was making a web browser that streamed the web for an intermediary server? It was fucken wild
Edit, I guess it was yc funded? https://jacobhrussell.com/blog/mighty
Mighty comes in at $30 with a 9% discount with a 12 month prepayment. I donāt think Mighty is for everyone. [ā¦] However, for people who use resource intensive applications regularly and either prefer or donāt mind using web apps it seems like a no-brainer. I think there is also a legitimate argument for corporations to provide Mighty for their employees purely based on the productivity boost, especially for tech employees.
It might be hard to get purists to buy into the ābrowser = OSā value proposition, but in the meantime Iāll be enjoying my 40 GB of RAM.
oh itās the web operating system again! things that make a web browser an operating system:
- itās extremely expensive every month
- it rehashes the awful cloud rendering browser shit Amazon tried and gave up on for their underpowered Kindle tablets
- it bundles a bunch of basic shit you can do in ordinary browser plugins
- 40GB of RAM and 8 virtual cores! (thatās all? my current work machine unfortunately has 64GB, and my desktop from 2020 is a 32+32GB split between native and a VM. 8 KVM cores is also not fantastic. none of this should be required for a fucking web browser though but here we are)
- itās using a data centerās fantastic internet connection which is probably why itās quick, but it of course requires a perfectly stable connection on your end or itās gonna suck
One other thing, also correct me if Iām wrong, but isnāt it a giant key logger as well?
ā¦huh, that is true! so another bullet point and this oneās shared by more than one āweb operating systemā:
- it irrevocably breaks the browserās security model implementing pointless functionality
in this case itās pretty bad, cause itās got the same issue as all hosted VMs in that if the host or hypervisor is compromised so are all the VMs, but also effectively anyone on Mightyās side with access to the event stream would have enough data to compromise your entire existence
Haha no way! Turns out the founder pivoted to AI 5 months after that article was published https://xcancel.com/suhail/status/1591813110230568963
Following up from this truth bomb: https://awful.systems/comment/4877052
@Soyweiser: Sorry AGIbros, not even the Dutch believe AGI is near.
For your delectation, here are the HN comments
Iām in the other camp: I remember when we thought an AI capable of solving Go was astronomically impossible and yet here we are. This article reads just like the skeptic essays back then.
Ah yes my coworkers communicate exclusively in Go games and they are always winning because they are AI and I am on the street, poor.
Thereās not that much else to sneer at though, plenty of reasonable people.
Hereās the lobste.rs disucssion: https://lobste.rs/s/4xzxqk
Well thatās quite the confused comment chain given that neither Go nor chess are solved. āRemember that thing everyone said wouldnāt happen? Well it still hasnāt happened! š«Øā
The best thing about the lobste.rs thread is to identify prompt fondlers among the brethren.
Hereās something Iāve never heard of before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravecās_paradox
Moravec wrote in 1988: āit is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers[ā¦]ā
Apparently he had GPT back then!
Anyway is this anything anyone takes seriously? Steven Pinker makes an appearance in the wiki page, which is a bit of a red flag.
So to throw my totally-amateur two cents in, it seems like itās definitely part of the discussion in actual AI circles based on the for-public-consumption reading and viewing Iāve done over the years, though Iāve never heard it mentioned by name. I think a bigger part of the explanation has less to do with human cognition (itās probably fallacious to assume that AI of any method effectively reproduces those processes) and more to do with the more abstract cognitive tests and games being much more formally defined. Our perception and model of a game of Chess or Go may not be complete enough to solve the game, but it is bounded by the explicitly-defined rules of the game. If your opponent tries to work outside of those bounds by, say, flipping the board over and storming off, the game itself can treat that as a simple forfeit-by-cheating. But our understanding of the real world is not similarly bounded. Things that were thought to be impossible happen with impressive frequency, and our brain is clearly able to handle this somehow. That lack of boundedness requires different capabilities than just being able to operate within expected parameters like existing English GenAI or image generators, I suspect relating to handling uncertainty or lacking information. The assumption that what AI is doing is a mirror to the living mind is wholly unproven.
oh i dunno, there was
Honestly - Computer Science has given us more clues about how the human mind might work than cognitive science ever did.
The best way to unearth sneers is to state āthere are no sneers hereā
David took it as a personal challenge
given it was first comment when i looked, it was Find Dumb Bro Shit On HN mode
I think the one thing LLMs have shown us is that coherent English is less complicated than we previously believed. I donāt think we learned anything about actual cognition.
Small FYI, not a sneer or anything, you can stop reading if you donāt know what the godotengine is. But if you do and hear of the fork, you can just ignore the fork. (the people involved also seem to be rather iffy, one guy who went crazy after somebody mentioned they would like gay relationships in his game, and some maga conspiracy theory style coder. That is going by the 3 normal people the account follows (out of 5) who I assume are behind it).
amazing work theyāve achieved so far though
yes, thatās the complete change set for the fork
oh and a Godot discord moderator turned out to be extremely into dropping n-words in chat
This is fucking hilarious. GIT is my favorite blockchain
I have no idea what set the drama off btw, I have not really looked into it (could it be that this mod you are talking about was the unofficial mod the godot communication was talking about? Or is that a different mod? And did the redot (wait, re.? please tell me it isnāt a reference to the reeeee thing) people really pick the side of the n-word mod?)
I did see that the guy who started redot basically only forked it and then went āany devs wanna take over this fork?ā Very I started the wiki, without even starting a wiki.
theyāre already sniping at each other
GUYS GUYS THE LOGO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
The bikeshed should be RED!
Apologies for crappy nitpicking on my part, but 4chan millennials really gotta learn to let go of impact font.
I want to pull quotes from that thread but itās so satisfying in context to see the most toxic parts of a gaming community turn on each other
and dear god are those some ugly fucking logos. my favorite is the one thatās just Redot Engine with a ridiculously overbearing letter R (not gonna repost them here for obvious trademark reasons ā Iāve got the feeling these fellas might not have that part figured out)
I was too busy poking fun at them and posted them here
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found it: https://bsky.app/profile/gamingonlinux.com/post/3l5ca3blqgn2y
The idiots claimed using game engines was le wokisme and Godot took the piss, and Grummz ran with it
Holy shit that is amazing. The thinnest skins. All of this over the promise by God not to flood the world again.
wait, the āpre-builtā engine these little shits are trying to bully a developer for using is fucking Unreal Engine 5?
all wokes want is to use a notoriously advanced and difficult game engine owned by a right-wing asshole and thatās how theyāre gonna destroy gaming. with the engine that gigantic studios use because writing an engine from scratch is a fucking money pit that never ends and you have to have a good fucking reason to do it
also Iāve been trying to force my hands to not start a Bevy project ever since Tiny Glade (a beautiful, cozy 3D sandbox builder running on the Bevy engine) launched and Bevy is manual as hell (but fun to work with), so this is a good reminder that Godot is cool and I should finally learn it too
also, holy fuck the reply guys are a plague on that post. is bluesky normally like that, or is it the blast radius from the gamers deciding they have a problem?
dunno if i have an unusual amount of blocked posters, but the ones i can see are fine? bsky is largely le home of le wokisme
thatās probably it ā logged out mastodon is probably just as bad. also the most aggressive reply guyās take is āaccounts for public projects should never block anyone and they should be required to debate the people yelling at themā which is, holy fuck, the most blockable thing Iāve ever seen
apparently godot posted something about supporting LGBT in games? canāt find the original. then Grummz posted ragebait about it and the chuds flooded their github and discord with fuckwittery
this is from like 5 min following links after reading your post
Looked at Grummz twitter, and looks like Notch is also getting involved. With friends like that.
Amazing how this new crop of outrage merchants who touched some game code in the past make Derek Smart look measured and well balanced.
god these people are fucking losers
a user called ācrypto-bitcoinā raises an issue with the World Wide Web Consortiumās Accessibility List
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Yikes. Could be a troll (I hope itās a troll)a lost not very computer literate dude who just got scammed i guess
Iām just thinking about all the reply guys that come here defending autoplag, specifically with this idea:
āGPT is great when I want to turn a list of bullet points into an eloquent emailā
Hey, you butts, just send the bullet points! What are you, a high schooler? Nobody has time for essays, much less autoplagged slop.
No no no itās fine! You get the word shuffler to deshuffle theāeloquentlyāshuffled paragraphs back into nice and tidy bullet points. And I have an idea! You could get an LLM to add metadata to the email to preserve the original bullet points, so the recipient LLM has extra interpolation room to choose to ignore the original list, but keep theāmuch more correct and eloquent, and with much better emphasisāhallucinated ones.
