I’d say 80% of this is traceable to having a comfortable amount of money his entire life and decent, non-abusive parents. A lot of anxiety and mental illness most people experience is traceable to trauma due to scarcity or trauma due to family. Ditto sleep disorders and reactability.
It doesn’t explain everything, of course. No allergies is just a lucky die roll (and may not be true forever; allergies sometimes develop over time, or appear because you finally tried something new). And plenty of mental illnesses can still develop no matter who you are.
I’m convinced that the vast majority of us are just canon-balling between traumatic event to traumatic event, with no real time to stop and process. So we inevitably freak out over something small, without realizing that the level of emotion we feel is a reflection of unresolved trauma, and not indicative of whatever the triggering event is. Sometimes, I see news stories about someone flipping out on a plane or in public, and I wonder what they’re actually upset over, what happened to their past selves that so heavily contributed to their over-reaction today? I think you can only truly understand someone when you know their tragedies.
I think trauma and hardship in general isn’t additive, rather multiplicative or exponential.
Like, once there’s a “core” trauma, small every day issues seems bigger and harder to deal with, and that kinda builds on itself so any new hardship seems bigger and bigger and so on.
I’m convinced that the vast majority of us are just canon-balling between traumatic event to traumatic event, with no real time to stop and process.
Much of that is just life though. I’ve always wondered if this misunderstanding is one of the fundamental sources of many people’s anxiety.
So we inevitably freak out over something small, without realizing that the level of emotion we feel is a reflection of unresolved trauma, and not indicative of whatever the triggering event is.
For some reason most people assume the “good times” are the default and the “traumatic event” is the outlier. I don’t believe that is the case.
The “traumatic event” is the default, the “good times” are the outlier.
So when a traumatic event happens the question isn’t “Why did this happen to me?” but rather the statement “That was a really great run of temporary ‘good times’, now lets deal with this event”.
Thats when having money comes in. Many years ago a family member gave me a saged piece of advice when I was young “If you have a problem that can be solved by money, and you have money, you don’t have a problem”. A flat tire, for many, can be a traumatic event listed above. It can mean finding money you don’t have for a new tire, loss of income from missing work, impacts to your family from not being able to pick up your kid from school/daycare, or loss of advancement at work from being considered “unreliably” and being passed over for promotion. Those can all trigger the consequences of “traumatic event”. However, if you have a couple hundred bucks unallocated to your name you can immediately lay your hands on and spend, a flat tire isn’t a problem, its a mild annoyance.
So having money doesn’t remove the “canon-balling between traumatic event to traumatic event”, but it removes many events that would otherwise be traumatic leaving you with less trauma overall, and keeping your capacity to deal with the trauma mostly in check with the understanding that life will always give you more as time passes. This also makes you very much appreciate the outlier “good times” when you’re experiencing them, because you know they will end.
When you said trauma wasn’t a big deal and we should get used to it, drag thought you were being unreasonably flippant. But then drag read that you think of a flat tire as a good example of a traumatic event, and it suddenly made sense to drag. You think trauma isn’t a big deal because you’ve had an easy life with mild traumas.
They were giving an example about how having enough money or not having enough money meaning something ‘mild’ (flat tire) can either be a minor problem (having enough money that buying a new tire and missing a bit of work while the car gets taken to the shop isn’t a problem) or a major issue causing lots of trauma via a lot of ‘smaller’ problems that stack (having to come up with spare money you don’t have to buy a new tire, missing work so your paycheck is too small to support you, unable to get to your kid in time after school, getting in trouble at work for the time you were gone dealing with the tire issue, etc).
Well, it had a bunch of the answers I’d been looking for all my life, since therapists won’t ever just come out and tell you any of that.
Do you think all of psychology is pseudoscience, or just the stuff that hasn’t made it into the DSM yet? Who are you to say that a therapist with years of research experience doesn’t know what they’re talking about?
I’m not, but a quick search tells me the Canadian Journal of Psychology called it “arguably the most serious catastrophe to strike the mental health field since the lobotomy era” and I’ll defer to an expert on this.
That’s quite a claim. I’m sure the industry generally does not want to stop numbing people with black-box drugs. That’s way easier than actually trying to heal people.
Whether you do or not, I’m glad the book helped you! That’s genuinely wonderful. It does, however, posit a lot of disproven theories that can be very harmful when taken seriously. The Satanic Panic is the best possible example of this.
I have two teenaged boys brought up together , close in age, and most of their lives had an intact family and comfortable life …
one has anxiety, the other doesn’t
one has sleep issues, the other doesn’t
one has overeating issues, the other doesn’t
one is sedentary, the other an athlete.
one has allergies, the other doesn’t
I don’t know what to make of my younger kid: he does his homework on time and gets good grades. He goes to bed on time and gets a healthy amount of sleep. He eats a healthy amount with good nutritional choices. He’s an athlete on a varsity team and likes working out. He’s open to new experiences, new cuisines, new knowledge, and has friends different races, preferences, and peer groups. He’s popular with both fellow students and with teachers. He’s not anxious nor bullying nor mean. I don’t understand him at all.
There are just so many factors that go into a person’s experience of life. Even something as simple as being on the older side or the younger side when you first start school can have a giant impact.
When our youngest was just at the age where she was allowed to get up and turn on the TV by herself and watch something while we were sleeping, 9-11 happened. I left the house early for work that morning. When my wife got up, our daughter was terrified. They had repeatedly interrupted Nickelodeon to show the planes hitting the buildings, and she was too young to understand that it was the same planes being shown over and over - she thought planes were falling out of the sky all over and crashing into buildings. She was waiting for one to hit our house. It took a long time before we realized that’s what she was thinking. At 27, it’s still left lasting issues. If she had been younger, she wouldn’t have seen it, and if she had been older she would have likely understood better.
Normal happy healthy person here. Money helps ALOT, parents were abusive but I worked past it and they got help. Can confirm allergies CAN just pop up as you get old. Thanks for nothing coffee allergy!
I agree the things you mentioned play a role in mental health. Just to stress what you said by the end, because people sometimes don’t know and are confused: there’s an awful lot of hereditary mental illnesses. There can be nothing wrong in your life and just the lotery of genes makes you miserable.
I’d say 80% of this is traceable to having a comfortable amount of money his entire life and decent, non-abusive parents. A lot of anxiety and mental illness most people experience is traceable to trauma due to scarcity or trauma due to family. Ditto sleep disorders and reactability.
It doesn’t explain everything, of course. No allergies is just a lucky die roll (and may not be true forever; allergies sometimes develop over time, or appear because you finally tried something new). And plenty of mental illnesses can still develop no matter who you are.
I’m convinced that the vast majority of us are just canon-balling between traumatic event to traumatic event, with no real time to stop and process. So we inevitably freak out over something small, without realizing that the level of emotion we feel is a reflection of unresolved trauma, and not indicative of whatever the triggering event is. Sometimes, I see news stories about someone flipping out on a plane or in public, and I wonder what they’re actually upset over, what happened to their past selves that so heavily contributed to their over-reaction today? I think you can only truly understand someone when you know their tragedies.
I think trauma and hardship in general isn’t additive, rather multiplicative or exponential.
Like, once there’s a “core” trauma, small every day issues seems bigger and harder to deal with, and that kinda builds on itself so any new hardship seems bigger and bigger and so on.
Much of that is just life though. I’ve always wondered if this misunderstanding is one of the fundamental sources of many people’s anxiety.
For some reason most people assume the “good times” are the default and the “traumatic event” is the outlier. I don’t believe that is the case.
The “traumatic event” is the default, the “good times” are the outlier.
So when a traumatic event happens the question isn’t “Why did this happen to me?” but rather the statement “That was a really great run of temporary ‘good times’, now lets deal with this event”.
Thats when having money comes in. Many years ago a family member gave me a saged piece of advice when I was young “If you have a problem that can be solved by money, and you have money, you don’t have a problem”. A flat tire, for many, can be a traumatic event listed above. It can mean finding money you don’t have for a new tire, loss of income from missing work, impacts to your family from not being able to pick up your kid from school/daycare, or loss of advancement at work from being considered “unreliably” and being passed over for promotion. Those can all trigger the consequences of “traumatic event”. However, if you have a couple hundred bucks unallocated to your name you can immediately lay your hands on and spend, a flat tire isn’t a problem, its a mild annoyance.
So having money doesn’t remove the “canon-balling between traumatic event to traumatic event”, but it removes many events that would otherwise be traumatic leaving you with less trauma overall, and keeping your capacity to deal with the trauma mostly in check with the understanding that life will always give you more as time passes. This also makes you very much appreciate the outlier “good times” when you’re experiencing them, because you know they will end.
When you said trauma wasn’t a big deal and we should get used to it, drag thought you were being unreasonably flippant. But then drag read that you think of a flat tire as a good example of a traumatic event, and it suddenly made sense to drag. You think trauma isn’t a big deal because you’ve had an easy life with mild traumas.
Not sure what post you read that in, but it wasn’t mine.
Nope, didn’t say that either.
That’s not what they said.
They were giving an example about how having enough money or not having enough money meaning something ‘mild’ (flat tire) can either be a minor problem (having enough money that buying a new tire and missing a bit of work while the car gets taken to the shop isn’t a problem) or a major issue causing lots of trauma via a lot of ‘smaller’ problems that stack (having to come up with spare money you don’t have to buy a new tire, missing work so your paycheck is too small to support you, unable to get to your kid in time after school, getting in trouble at work for the time you were gone dealing with the tire issue, etc).
You should read the book “The Body Keeps the Score”
That book should not be taken seriously. Very much pseudoscience.
Well, it had a bunch of the answers I’d been looking for all my life, since therapists won’t ever just come out and tell you any of that.
Do you think all of psychology is pseudoscience, or just the stuff that hasn’t made it into the DSM yet? Who are you to say that a therapist with years of research experience doesn’t know what they’re talking about?
I’m not, but a quick search tells me the Canadian Journal of Psychology called it “arguably the most serious catastrophe to strike the mental health field since the lobotomy era” and I’ll defer to an expert on this.
That’s quite a claim. I’m sure the industry generally does not want to stop numbing people with black-box drugs. That’s way easier than actually trying to heal people.
If you have the time, I strongly recommend Carrie Poppy’s talk on this subject. You may find it enlightening.
https://pca.st/episode/b8b7d820-0cbd-4902-8864-e6205097006d
Whether you do or not, I’m glad the book helped you! That’s genuinely wonderful. It does, however, posit a lot of disproven theories that can be very harmful when taken seriously. The Satanic Panic is the best possible example of this.
I have two teenaged boys brought up together , close in age, and most of their lives had an intact family and comfortable life …
I don’t know what to make of my younger kid: he does his homework on time and gets good grades. He goes to bed on time and gets a healthy amount of sleep. He eats a healthy amount with good nutritional choices. He’s an athlete on a varsity team and likes working out. He’s open to new experiences, new cuisines, new knowledge, and has friends different races, preferences, and peer groups. He’s popular with both fellow students and with teachers. He’s not anxious nor bullying nor mean. I don’t understand him at all.
There are just so many factors that go into a person’s experience of life. Even something as simple as being on the older side or the younger side when you first start school can have a giant impact.
When our youngest was just at the age where she was allowed to get up and turn on the TV by herself and watch something while we were sleeping, 9-11 happened. I left the house early for work that morning. When my wife got up, our daughter was terrified. They had repeatedly interrupted Nickelodeon to show the planes hitting the buildings, and she was too young to understand that it was the same planes being shown over and over - she thought planes were falling out of the sky all over and crashing into buildings. She was waiting for one to hit our house. It took a long time before we realized that’s what she was thinking. At 27, it’s still left lasting issues. If she had been younger, she wouldn’t have seen it, and if she had been older she would have likely understood better.
Who the hell decides to put 9/11 on Nickelodeon? Kids watch that!
I was dumbfounded
Should have sued the network for money to pay for therapy for the kid. It’s their mess, they can pay to clean it up.
Normal happy healthy person here. Money helps ALOT, parents were abusive but I worked past it and they got help. Can confirm allergies CAN just pop up as you get old. Thanks for nothing coffee allergy!
It’s true. The Alot does appreciate the benefits of having money, though too much of it is, well, an Alot of a different color entirely.
I agree the things you mentioned play a role in mental health. Just to stress what you said by the end, because people sometimes don’t know and are confused: there’s an awful lot of hereditary mental illnesses. There can be nothing wrong in your life and just the lotery of genes makes you miserable.
Also being born neurotypical.