i-am-adolf-hitler scared-fash

  • Andrzej3K [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Aaahhhhhhhhggggyhgderggdukjgffddswrtf

    This is going to be a completely pointless comment, but I have to exorcize this demon:

    • “oppressed” is already a value judgement, so none of this can be “foundational” in the way he is claiming
    • oppression is a bad thing by definition, otherwise we’d call it something else
    • so the oppressed are always right in not wanting to be oppressed, by definition

    dtgdrthgedseewqwefvvujnhfyjgfesaaaaaaaaaaghhhhh

    He’s literally saying “have you considered that bad things might actually be good”

    • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Exactly. When the weak group is in the right, we call them oppressed. Otherwise we call them terrorists, insurgents, criminals or something like that.

      “Should be that right is right” is such an idiotic sentence as well.

  • context [fae/faer, fae/faer]@hexbear.net
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    improve-society people don’t like being oppressed and a society founded on oppression contains inherent contradictions arising from conflict between the oppressor and oppressed classes

    very-intelligent aha! you have committed the logical error of assuming that the oppressed are always right!

  • ProgAimerGirl [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    right makes right

    the first rule of tautology club has been revised. previously, the first rule of tautology club was the first rule of tautology club. now, the first rule of tautology club is ‘anytime you see elon musk on the street, smack him in the back of the head as hard as you can’

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Even with minimal cynicism it should take all of 10 seconds to realize this is just Might makes Right obscured by tautology:

    Right makes right
    law makes right
    politicians make law
    voters make politicians
    advertising/propaganda makes voters
    money makes advertising/propaganda

    QED edgeworth-smug

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    But the left does not argue that “weak makes right”. I don’t see anyone on the left saying that the Argentinian government’s policies are right, despite then being in a very weak position. On foreign policy, I don’t see the global left supporting Taiwan or even Ukraine, despite both states being in weak positions compared to their much larger neighbour, and one of them even being at war after the much larger neighbour invaded. Most are neutral and just want peace, and a few states even support Russia and China explicitly. The appeal to weakness and admiration of failed projects is something that is usually seen amongst egalitarian/radical liberals and the kind of person that argues “communism is a good idea in theory, but real communism has never been tried” types.

    And that’s the most charitable interpretation of what Musk has said, as other users have said judging who plays what part of the “oppressor/oppressed” dynamic is always a value judgement, and the oppressed are always right in not wanting to be oppressed by their oppressors within that specific dynamic.

    • heggs_bayer@hexbear.net
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      To the right, the oppressed are necessarily weaker than the oppressors. Therefore, considering the oppressed to always be the correct side of a conflict is equivalent to considering the weaker party to always be the correct side of a conflict. In other words, weak makes right.

      Others in this comment section have pointed out errors in this argument, so I won’t bother reiterating them here.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Just that thing where they can’t fathom how we think, so they just invert how they think and decide that must be it. They have a reflexive worship of power that compels them to always see the oppressor as correct? We must simply think the exact opposite, nothing more complicated than that.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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      Chuds lack the imagination or the empathy to even begin to understand other points of view and other perspectives. The best they can do is imagine crude clumsy mock-ups of themselves that are wrong and bad.

      In this case, “weak makes right” is how the chud imagines caring about disadvantaged people must feel like.

  • asg101 [none/use name, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    He is longing for the “good old days” when the AmeriKKKan Constitution was new. When women, non-whites and the poor were property and the indigenous were vermin to be removed from their land executed.

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Hey everybody, I just wanted to remind everybody that I care about doing the right thing even if it’s some untermensch’s idea and my haters don’t and you are being irrational if you don’t agree.

  • qcop [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Not sure if what he posted makes no sense or if that’s because English is not my first language, but I cannot make sense of what he tried to say.

    Could someone please explain it to me in simpler terms?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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      He’s saying that people that are disadvantaged are berdly-actually not always “right.” And then he swings hard for the fascist fences by suddenly trampling over that open ended vagueness by saying might makes right, actually.

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      He is saying it should be “correct makes strong and as either side can be correct it is being correct that makes you strong” … I think. Or he’s saying “strong makes correct” as in “sometimes weak is correct but strong is always correct.” Either way its some murky ‘too-clever-for-my-own-britches’ bullshit.