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Russia sustained more than 10,000 casualties in a week, according to statistics from Ukraine’s military, with the fast-approaching winter season unlikely to bring a lull in high numbers of fighters killed and injured in the grinding conflict.
Moscow has suffered a total of 690,720 casualties since February 2022, Ukraine’s General Staff said on Monday. This includes 1,680 fighters being killed or injured in the past 24 hours, according to Kyiv.
This figure also brings Moscow’s total casualties, per Kyiv’s count, to 10,490 in the previous seven days.
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It was a death sentence leaving NK. They were never going to be allowed back in to tell others of the outside world. The only question was how long they’d last.
Probably, but I presume they are there to operate whatever equipment NK sold to Putin as the Russians cant even comprehend inside toilets let alone poo flinging drones.
What is the conversion rate from malnourished North Korean Soldier to Russian (prison-) draftee?
Total madness. How are Russians so dumb that they just keep throwing their lives away like this?
The Russian government cracks down really hard on anyone daring to protest against the war. You can be jailed for even calling it a war - it’s a “special military operation”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022–present)
Each of them only does it once, and thinks it’s just a matter of luck when it happens to someone else
Casualties are not the same as KIA, and not all WIA are permanently combat ineffective.
Someone who got shrapnel in the leg or abdomen and requires 6-8 weeks of recovery, before returning to combat, is a single casualty.
That same soldier can return to combat, catch a bullet in their arm, and be a casualty again.
That same soldier can return to service three months later, etc.
If after returning to service a 3rd time, they’re eventually KIA, then they would have been counted as a casualty three times.
Not saying this is typical, or that this is indicative of the normal WIA casualty. Just pointing out that a single soldier can be counted as a casualty more than once, and it’s not uncommon.
I agree with you but are those recovery numbers based on western on hospitals and treatment? I imagine they’re going to be less rosy if you factor in a few days in the mud before treatment followed by the best medicine whatever money hasn’t been stolen can buy.
Because many signing up for war are doing it for money due to the severe poverty they’re experiencing:
They consider vodka a pre-natal vitamin.
How do you know its the truth?
Casualty counts and battlefield losses are disputed during active conflicts, and experts urge caution when considering tallies offered by either party in a war. Moscow and Kyiv very rarely nod to their own casualty counts.
People here get really uppity when you point out that Ukraine’s enemy lossss and casualty reports are likely inflated, because that’s what all militaries do in all conflicts. It doesn’t even always have to do with wartime propaganda, but because it’s hard to accurately tally enemy losses during active conflict.
Anyways, when you point that out the usual responses to point out the patently ridiculous reports on Ukrainian losses that the Russian MoD puts out, as if somehow that means Ukraine’s are accurate.
The best I can say is that Ukrainian reports are almost certainly exponentially closer to reality than Russia’s comically absurd and fantastical figures.
I will finish it up by saying that there are good independent sources who open source intelligence to track verified losses, and air on the conservative side.
That of course means their loss reports aren’t accurate either, but they provide a good figures to be used as a floor for any estimate ranges.
I think that the data Ukraine has on Russian losses is better than in any previous conflict. The drones are constantly flying over the battlefield recording.
I also think that Ukraine has significant political reasons for attempting to be reasonably accurate. They rely on NATO for money, weapons, and supplies. They need to provide an reasonably accurate representation of what they are doing with the resources to keep their suppliers happy.
It doesn’t need to be exact, just a reasonable estimate made in good faith.
and air on the conservative side.
err
I’ve heard it both ways.
Well, only one of the ways is the accurate idiom. ;)
“Err” generally sounds the same as “air” as most people speak it, at least in the accents I’m familiar with. Think of how error sounds.
But the spelling is very clear and in written usage “air” and “err” are definitely two different words.
Psych reference?
Yes
It’s mind boggling how many times the world came together in the past for total nuclear disarmament and every single time when we almost reached an agreement Russia backed out because they thought it’s all a ruse against them. The are the epitome of the “No, it’s the others that must be wrong.” Meme.
And in a way they were right. Putin used and is continuing using the threat of the nuclear penis to keep the west away from his murderous affairs. Even when it became obvious that all the myths of his powerful army are bullshit, the west still doesn’t do anything substantial to stop the madman, because of the nuclear threat.
I wonder if the Russian military will ever realize that a meat grinder tactic can’t go on forever, especially when a good chunk of the men going on the front would really prefer to be anywhere else.
It’s doing exactly what they want it to do. Their goal isn’t a military victory, their goal is a war as long as possible, and every meatbag they throw into the grinder just makes the military leadership slightly richer.
Uplifting News
Kind of. Russia is definitely using this conflict to purge their unwanted. This is still horrifying when you realize that these are not only felons, but also groups like minorities and the poor.
Bittersweet at best. Yes they work for Russia, but they are still 10,000 lives just snuffed out for some deranged madman’s war.
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“Lost” seems disingenuous here if we’re talking about casualties. I thought they mean 10,000 died. Ig in the strictest sense of the word they lost then
That’s usually how it’s discussed.
From a certain perspective, it doesn’t matter whether a given soldier dies or is injured. Either way, it means a combatant was removed from the conflict.
As such, deaths and injuries are grouped together when discussing the “losses” of war.
