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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)
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yet another whistleblower is dead; this time, itās the OpenAI copyright whistleblower Suchir Balaji
OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment.
Thread on r/technology.
edited to add:
From his personal website: When does generative AI qualify for fair use?
Let them fight. https://openai.com/index/elon-musk-wanted-an-openai-for-profit/
Saw something about āsentiment analysisā in text. While writers have discussed ādeath of the authorā and philosophers and linguists have discussed what it even means to derive meaning from text, these fucking AI dorks are looking at text in a vacuum and concluding āthis text expresses angerā.
print("I'm angry!")the above python script is angry, look at my baby skynet
Openai are you angry? Yes -> it is angry. No -> it is being sneaky, and angry.
Us ADHD people really have to get our rejection sensitivity under control, I tell ya what.
I am deeply hurt by this post. I thought we were friends here. (/s)
Oh no, are you mad at me? (j/k!!)
Please dont mock me like that.
sentiment analysis is such a good example of a pre-LLM AI grift. every time Iāve seen it used for anything, itās been unreliable to the point of being detrimental to the projectās goals. marketers treat it like a magic salve and smear it all over everything of course, and thatās a large part of why targeted advertising is notoriously ineffective
Itās built upon such a nonsensical ontology. The sentiment expressed in a piece of language is at least partially a social function, which is why I can add the following
I AM BEYOND FUCKING LIVID AT EVERYONE IN THIS FUCKING INSTANCE
to this response and no one will actually assume Iām really angry (I am though, send memes).
Edit: not one meme. Not. One.
Edit2: thank you for the memes, @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de. This one is my favorite. It feels Dark Souls-y.
Image description
Live crawfish with arms spread in front of bowl of cooked crawfish with caption āStand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor mattersā.
itās a quote from mass effect. also, shrimp welfare
I read this as shrimp warfare and while Iām not sure about WW3, the fifth or sixth world war will be fought between the shrimp and the crows over rulership of the earth.
The basement in Caanan House if God were Cajun.
found a new movie plot threat https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ads9158
funded by open philanthropy, but not only and also got some other biologists onboard. 10 out of 39 authors had open philanthropy funding in the last 5 years so theyāre likely EAs. highly speculative as of now and not anywhere close to being made, as in weāll be dead from global warming before this gets anywhere close from my understanding. also starting materials would be hideously expensive because all of this has to be synthetic and enantiopure, and every technique has to be remade from scratch in unnatural enantiomer form. it even has LW thread by now hxxps://www.lesswrong.com/posts/87pTGnHAvqk3FC7Zk/the-dangers-of-mirrored-life
it hit news https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/science/a-second-tree-of-life-could-wreak-havoc-scientists-warn.html https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/dec/12/unprecedented-risk-to-life-on-earth-scientists-call-for-halt-on-mirror-life-microbe-research
I read the headline yesterday and thought, āThis is 100% fundraising bullshit.ā
This strikes me as being exact same class of thing OpenAI does when they pronounce that their product will murder us all.
What do we call this? Marketerrorism?
i see how itās critihype but i donāt understand whereās money in this one
CRITIHYPE, thank you! I couldnāt find the word!
If I had to guess a motive, it would be to bring mirror biology out of the obscurity of pure research (who funds that anymore?) and to instead plant it firmly into the popular zeitgeist as a āscary thingā that needs to be defended against. This can lead to it becoming a trendy topic, and therefore fundable by grant-awarding agencies.
as in, funding for writing ratty screeds? because they specifically want to cut funding to d-proteins and such. this also works for fundraising
Maybe Iām being too cynical. It wouldnāt be the first time this week that someone drew a spooky picture, would it?
nooo waay
Mirror bacteria? Boring! I want an evil twin from the negaverse who looks exactly like me except right hande-- oh heck. What if Iām the mirror twin?
Iām definitely out of my depth here, but how exactly does a lefty organism bypass immune responses and still interact with the body? Seems like if it has a way to mess up healthy cells then it should have something that antibodies can connect to, mirrored or not. Not that Iām arguing we shouldnāt be careful about creating novel pathogens, but other than being a more flashy sci-fi premise Iām not really seeing how itās more dangerous than the right-handed version.
Also I think this opens up a beautiful world of new scientific naming conventions:
- Southpaw Paramecium
- Lefty Naegleria
- Sinister Influenza
they way i understand it, because immune system is basically constantly fuzzing all potentially new things, what is important is how antigen looks like on the surface. what it is made from matters less, and whether aminoacids there are l- (natural) or d- (not) it shouldnāt matter that much, antibodies are generated for nonnatural achiral things all the time including things like PEG and chloronitrobenzene. then complement system puts holes in bacterial membrane and thatās it, itās not survivable for bacterium and does not depend on anything chiral. normally all components are promptly shredded, itās a good question if that would happen too but, like - this might not matter too hard - thereās a way for immune system to smite this thing
the potential problem is that peptides made from d-aminoacids are harder to cut via hydrolases and itās a part of some more involved immune response idk details. thereās plenty of stuff thatās achiral like glycerol, glycine, beta-alanine, TCA components, fatty acids that mirrored bacteria can feed on without problems. some normal bacteria also use d-aminoacids so normal l-aminoacids should be usable for d-protein bacteria. thereās also transaminase that takes d-aminoacids and along with other enzymes it can turn these into l-aminoacids. but even more importantly weāre perhaps 30 years away from making this anywhere close to feasible, itās all highly speculative. thereās a report if you want to read it https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:cv716pj4036/Technical Report on Mirror Bacteria Feasibility and Risks.pdf
also look up cost of these things. unnatural aminoacids, especially these with wrong conformation but otherwise normal are expensive. l-tert-leucine is unnatural but can be made in biotechnological process, so itās cheaper. for example on sigma-aldrich, d-glutamine costs 100x more than l-glutamine, and for sugars itās even worse because these have more chiral centers
besides, itās not really worth it probably? it will take decades and cost more than ftx wiped out. other than making it work just to make it work, all the worthwhile components can be made synthetically, maybe thereās some utility in d-proteins, more likely d-peptides, tiny amounts of these can be made by SPPS (for screening) and larger in normal chemical synthesis (for use). these might be slightly useful if slowed down degradation of peptides could be exploited in some kind of pharmaceutical, but do you know how we can make it work in other way? donāt put amide bonds there in the first place and just make a small molecule pharmaceutical like we can do (as in, organic chemists)
another part of the concern is that these things could transform organic carbon in form unusable to other organisms. but nature finds a way, and outside of fires etc, there are bacteria that feed on nylon and PET, so i think this situation wonāt last long
Jfc, when I saw the headline I thought this would be a case of the city being too cheap to hire an actual artist and instead use autoplag, but no. And the guy they commissioned isnāt even some tech-brain LARPāing as an artist, he has 20+ years of experience and a pretty huge portfolio, which somehow makes this worse on so many levels.
OK so weāre getting into deep rat lore now? Iām so sorry for what Iām about to do to you. I hope one day you can forgive me.
LessWrong diaspora factions! :blobcat_ohno:
https://transmom.love/@elilla/113639471445651398
if I got something wrong, please donāt tell me. gods I hope I got something wrong. āitās spreading disinformationā I hope I am
My pedantic notes, modified by some of my experiences, so bla bla epistemic status, colored by my experiences and beliefs take with grain of salt etc. Please donāt take this as a correction, but just some of my notes and small minor things. As a general ātrick more people into watching into the abyssā guide it is a good post, mine is more an addition I guess.
SSC / The Motte: Scott Alexanderās devotees. once characterised by interest in mental health and a relatively benign, but medicalised, attitude to queer and especially trans people. The focus has since metastasised into pseudoscientific white supremacy and antifeminism.
This is a bit wrong tbh, SSC always was anti-feminist. Scotts old (now deleted) livejournal writings, where he talks about larger discussion/conversation tactics in a broad meta way, the meditations on superweapons, always had the object level idea of attacking feminism. For example, using the wayback machine, the sixth meditation (this is the one I have bookmarked). He himself always seems to have had a bit of a love/hate relationship with his writings on anti-feminism and the fame and popularity this brought him.
The grey tribe bit is missing that guy who called himself grey tribe in I think it was silicon valley who wanted to team up with the red tribe to get rid of all the progressives, might be important to note because it looks like they are centrist, but shock horror, they team up with the right to do far right stuff.
I think the extropianists might even have different factions, like the one around Natasha Vita-More/Max More. But that is a bit more LW adjacent, and it more predates LW than it being a spinoff faction. (The extropian mailinglist came first iirc). Singularitarians and extropianists might be a bit closer together, Kurzweil wrote the singularity is near after all, which is the book all these folks seem to get their AI doom ideas from after all. (if you ever see a line made up out of S-curves that is from that book. Kurzweil also is an exception to all these people as he actually has achievements, he build machines for the blind, image recognition things, etc etc, he isnāt just a writer. Nick Bostrom is also missing it seems, he is one of those X-risk guys, also missing is Robin Hanson, who created the great filter idea, the prediction markets thing, and his overcoming bias is a huge influence on Rationalism, and could be considered a less focused on science fiction ideas part of Rationalism, but that was all a bit more 2013 (Check the 2013 map of the world of Dark Enlightenment on the Rationalwiki Neoreaction page).
āthe Protestants to the rationalistsā Catholicismā I lolled.
Note that a large part of sneerclubbers is (was) not ex rationalists, nor people who were initially interested in it, it actually started on reddit because badphil got too many rationalists suggestions that they created a spinoff. (At least so the story goes) so it was started by people who actually had some philosophy training. (That also makes us the most academic faction!)
Another minor thing in long list of minor things, might also be useful to mention that Rationalwiki has nothing to do with these people and is more aligned with the sneerclub side.
There are also so many Scotts. Anyway, this post grew a bit out of my control sorry for that, hope it doesnāt come off to badly, and do note that my additions make a short post way longer so prob are not that useful. Donāt think any of your post was misinformation btw (I do think that several of these factions wouldnāt call themselves part of LW, and there is a bit of a question who influenced who (the Moreās seem to be outside of all this for example, and a lot of extropians predate it etc etc. But that kind of nitpicking is for people who want to write books on these people).
E: reading the thread, this is a good post and good to keep in mind btw. I would add not just what you mentioned but also mocking people for personal tragedy, as some people end/lose their lives due to rationalism, or have MH episodes, and we should be careful to treat those topics well. Which we mostly try to do I think.
wasnt that grey tribe guy just balaji srinivasan https://newrepublic.com/article/180487/balaji-srinivasan-network-state-plutocrat
itās certainly the vector from which Iād first heard about that term, but hadnāt realized balaji shillrinivasan was original enough to have come up with that himself
He didnt, the term is from slatestarcodex, who he follows/ed
ah, figures. certainly does have more slatescott sauce on it
Yes forgot the name, that old Moldbug penpal.
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This is great. The ādiasporaā framing makes me want there to be an NPR style public interest story about all this. The emotional core would be about trying to find a place to belong and being betrayed by the people you thought could be your friends, or something.
Adam Christopher comments on a story in Publishers Weekly.
Says the CEO of HarperCollins on AI:
āOne idea is a ātalking book,ā where a book sits atop a large language model, allowing readers to converse with an AI facsimile of its author.ā
Please, just make it stop, somebody.
Robert Evans adds,
thereās a pretty good short story idea in some publisher offering an AI facsimile of Harlan Ellison that then tortures its readers to death
Kevin Kruse observes,
I guess this means that HarperCollins is getting out of the business of publishing actual books by actual people, because no one worth a damn is ever going to sign a contract to publish with an outfit with this much fucking contempt for its authors.
Casting Harlan Ellison as the Acausal Robot God is just the best.
the grok AI is now available to free twitter users, evidently not enough paying users were interested
itās somewhat more tedious than Gemini and thatās saying something
Really wise decision to open up the system that costs a lot of money per question to the world. Esp when it brings in none. Wonder if there are people working on the low orbital cannon equivalent of trying to mess with twitters finances
just delivered a commission on why bitcoin is very like hawk tuah
this seasonās word is: kleptokakistocracy
Can we all take a moment to appreciate this absolutely wild take from Googleās latest quantum press release (bolding mine) https://blog.google/technology/research/google-willow-quantum-chip/
Willowās performance on this benchmark is astonishing: It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of todayās fastest supercomputers 1025 or 10 septillion years. If you want to write it out, itās 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. This mind-boggling number exceeds known timescales in physics and vastly exceeds the age of the universe. It lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes, in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse, a prediction first made by David Deutsch.
The more I think about it the stupider it gets. Iād love if someone with an actual physics background were to comment on it. But my layman take is it reads as nonsense to the point of being irresponsible scientific misinformation whether or not you believe in the many worlds interpretation.
Does it also destroy all the universes where the question was answered wrong?
One of these days weāll get the quantum bogosort working.
āQuantum computation happens in parallel worlds simultaneouslyā is a lazy take trotted out by people who want to believe in parallel worlds. It is a bad mental image, because it gives the misleading impression that a quantum computer could speed up anything. But all the indications from the actual math are that quantum computers would be better at some tasks than at others. (If you want to use the names that CS people have invented for complexity classes, this imagery would lead you to think that quantum computers could whack any problem in EXPSPACE. But the actual complexity class for āproblems efficiently solvable on a quantum computerā, BQP, is known to be contained in PSPACE, which is strictly smaller than EXPSPACE.) It also completely obscures the very important point that some tasks look like theyād need a quantum computer ā the program is written in quantum circuit language and all that ā but a classical computer can actually do the job efficiently. Accepting the goofy pop-science/science-fiction imagery as truth would mean youād never imagine the GottesmanāKnill theorem could be true.
To quote a paper by Andy Steane, one of the early contributors to quantum error correction:
The answer to the question āwhere does a quantum computer manage to perform its amazing computations?ā is, we conclude, āin the region of spacetime occupied by the quantum computerā.
Tangentially, I know about nothing of quantum mechanics but lately Iāve been very annoyed alone in my head at (the popular perception of?) many-world theory in general. From what Iām understanding about it, there are two possibilities: either itās pure metaphysics, in which case who cares? or itās a truism, i.e. if we model things that way that makes it so we can talk about reality in this way. Thisā¦ might be true of all quantum interpretations, but many-world annoys me more because itās such a literal vision trying to be cool.
I donāt know, tell me if Iām off the mark!
Thereās a whole lot of assuming-the-conclusion in advocacy for many-worlds interpretations ā sometimes from philosophers, and all the time from Yuddites online. If you make a whole bunch of tacit assumptions, starting with those about how mathematics relates to physical reality, you end up in MWI country. And if you make sure your assumptions stay tacit, you can act like an MWI is the only answer, and everyone else is being
un-mutualirrational.(I use the plural interpretations here because thereās not just one flavor of MWIce cream. The people who take it seriously have been arguing amongst one another about how to make it work for half a century now. What does it mean for one event to be more probable than another if all events always happen? When is one āworldā distinct from another? The arguments iterate like the construction of a fractal curve.)
Humans canāt help but return to questions the presocratics already struggled with. Makes me happy.
Unfortunately āstates of quantum systems form a vector space, and states are often usefully described as linear combinations of other statesā doesnāt make for good science fiction compared to āwhoa dude, like, the multiverse, man.ā
ālends credenceā? yeah, that smells like BS.
some marketing person probably saw that the time estimate of the conventional computation exceeded the age of the universe multiple times over, and decided that must mean multiple universes were somehow involved, because big number bigger than smaller number
It reads to me like either they got lucky or encountered a measurement error somewhere, but the peer review notes from Nature donāt show any call outs of obvious BS, though I donāt have any real academic science experience, much less in the specific field of quantum computing.
Then again, this may not be too far beyond the predicted boundaries of what quantum computers are capable of and while the assumption that computation is happening in alternate dimensions seems like it would require quantum physicists to agree on a lot more about interpretation than they currently do the actual performance is probably triggering some false positives in my BS detector.
The peer reviewers didnāt say anything about it because they never saw it: Itās an unilluminating comparison thrown into the press release but not included in the actual paper.
Maybe Iām being overzealous (I can do that sometimes).
But I donāt understand why this particular experiment suggests the multiverse. The logic appears to be something like:
- This algorithm would take a gazillion years on a classical computer
- So maybe other worlds are helping with the compute cost!
But I donāt understand this argument at all. The universe is quantum, not classical. So why do other worlds need to help with the compute? Why does this experiment suggest it in particular? Why does it make sense for computational costs to be amortized across different worlds if those worlds will then have to go on to do other different quantum calculations than ours? It feels like thereās no āsavingsā anyway. Would a smaller quantum problem feasible to solve classically not imply a multiverse? If so, what exactly is the threshold?
I mean, unrestricted skepticism is the appropriate response to any press release, especially coming out of silicon valley megacorps these days. But I agree that this doesnāt seem like the kind of performance theyāre talking about wouldnāt somehow require extra-dimensional communication and computation, whatever that would even mean.
I mean, unrestricted skepticism is the appropriate response to any press release, especially coming out of silicon valley megacorps these days.
Indeed, Iāve been involved in crafting a silicon valley megacorp press release before. Iāve seen how the sausage is made! (Mine was more or less factual or I wouldnāt have put my name on it, but dear heavens a lot of wordsmithing goes into any official communication at megacorps)
these are some silly numbers. if all this is irreversible computation and if landauer principle holds and thereās no excessive trickery or creative accounting involved, then theyād need to dissipate something in range of 4.7E23 J at 1mK, or 112 Tt of TNT equivalent (112 million Mt)
(disclaimer - not a physicist)
The computation seems to be generating a uniformly random set and picking a sample of it. I can buy that itād be insanely expensive to do this on a classical computer, since thereās no reasonable way to generate a truly random set. Feels kinda like an unfair benchmark as this wouldnāt be something youād actually point a classical computer at, but then again, thatās how benchmarks work.
Iām not big in quantum, so I canāt say if thatās something a quantum computer can do, but I can accept the math, if not the marketing.
How do you figure? Itās absolutely possible in principle that a quantum computer can efficiently perform computations which would be extremely expensive to perform on a classical computer.
your regular reminder that the guy with de facto ownership over the entire Rust ecosystem outside of the standard library and core is very proud about being in Peter Thielās pocket (and that post is in reference to this article)
e: on second thought Iām being unfair ā he owns the conferences and the compiler spec process too
I didnāt think today was gonna be a day where Iād read about sounding then breaking glass rods but here we are.
itās an unhinged story he keeps telling on the orange site too, and I donāt think heās ever answered some of the obvious questions:
- why is this a story your family tells their kids in apparent graphic detail?
- youāre still fighting the soviets? you donāt have any more up to date bad guys to point at when people ask you why youāre making murder drones and knife missiles?
- are you completely sure this happened instead of something normal, like your communist great grandfather making up a story and sticking with it cause he was terrified of the House Unamerican Activities Committee? maybe this one is just me
maybe this is a cautionary tale about telling your kids cautionary tales
maybe itās a mutation of a story on how breakup of yugoslavia started (nsfw)
So it turns out the healthcare assassin has someā¦ boutiqueā¦ views. (Yeah, I know, shocker.) Things he seems to be into:
- Lab-grown meat
- Modern architecture is rotten
- Population decline is an existential threat
- Elon Musk and Peter Thiel
How soon until someone finds his LessWrong profile?
the absolute state of american politics: rentseeker ceo gets popped by a libertarian
Someone else said it, but for someone completely accustomed to a life of easy privilege, having it suddenly disappear can be utterly intolerable.
We should expect more of this to come. The ascendant right wing is pushing policies that only deliver for people who are already stinking rich. Even if 99% of those who vote that way go along with the propaganda line in the face of their own disappointment, thatās still a lot of unhappy people, who are not known for intellectual consistency or calm self-reflection, in a country overflowing with guns. All it takes is one ammosexual who decides that his local Congressman has been co-opted by the (((globalists))), you know?
thereās gotta be many more than 1% of right to far-right wingers clocking that that ambient suckiness is result of republican policies or profit squeezing, itās just that i expected them to be way more apathetic
qanon and weird nazis were around for some time and they definitely can get worse, but i donāt think itās it
also, killing CEOs is more of traditional activity of more ideologically consistent far left groups, like RAF. canāt have shit in late capitalism
RAFās aims were explicitely accelerationist - their terror would provoke a ferocious repressional response that would open the eyes of the masses to the repressive government and trigger a revolution.
StRev was calling him TPOT adjacent and woodgrains was having a bit of a panic over it.
āOur righteous warriors are only supposed to kill brown people and women, not captains of industry!!ā
dust specks vs CEOs
Thats a very real viewpoint being pushed by the Thiel adjacent far righters.
tfw the Holy Book (Atlas Shrugged) was misinterpreted.
According to his goodreads he had not read it yet.
Itās so embarrassing to watch upper-middle class (at best!) rationalists get their panties in a twist over Luigi. At least the right wing talking heads are getting paid, these guys are just mad he did things instead of tweeting about things.
āMy heavens, our self-regarding supremacist ideology canāt possibly imply violenceā¦ can it???ā
Do you have a link? Iām interested. (Also, I see you posted something similar a couple hours before I did. Sorry I missed that!)
https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1866197443404247185
https://x.com/st_rev/status/1866191524498719147
Sorry for not using nitter but im on phone.
From the replies:
I see the interest in AI, Peter Thiel, and the far future, but itās a lot more rationality adjacent than EA.
āItās a lot more country than westernā
meanwhile his twitter:
The starving people are tied to the track, the trolley barreling down at them, they are screaming at the rich to release them or pull the lever, which they canāt, not without the rich guys help. But the rich are not helping. Why are the rich not helping Elon?
TWG: is a good reminder that atrocities donāt come from convenient avatars of all I oppose
Random bluecheck: On the contrary, this just reaffirms my biases that e/accs and AGI race-promoters are the source of every bad thing in the world.
TWG: was he e/acc?
We are in the āhe only followed some e/acc, he never said he was e/accā phase. Wonder what his manifesto will say.
this whole exchange is so beautiful i love these stupid fucking idiots WHY ARE THEY EVERYWHERE
That conversation reads like from a variation of Mafia/Werewolf where you have to figure out who in your circle of rationalists is secretly e/acc and wants to build the torment nexus.
āTensor Templarā lmao. Hey buddy, what did the Knights Templar do, besides banking?
The man who hypes up that higher intelligences can figure out laws and rules from data quicker and more thoroughly than lower intelligences defending e/acc accounts by going āwell they never openly advocated for killing, so this is not a valid concernā. Did he forget he advocated for bombing datacenters? Guess he never read any science fiction where āārationalā leader accidentally inspires murderous cultā, By The God Emperor, somebody should write a science fiction novel about that. (E: hell, does he even get what accellerationism implies? Somebody reading between the lines and going šµ 'So let the games begin, A heinous crime, a show of force, A murder would be nice of courseāšµ is not out of the question).
bwahahaha āmost reasonable operationalizations; conditional upon being e/acc.ā Why does this person make me think of nasal, vaguely whiny prequel Spock?
Hopefully it elaborates on whatever the fuck this is:
Modern Japanese urban environment is an evolutionary mismatch for the human animal.
The solution to falling birthdates isnāt immigration. Itās cultural.
Encourage natural human interaction, sex, physical fitness and spirituality:
- ban Tenga fleshlights and āJapan Real Holeā custom pornstar pocket pussies being sold in Don Quixote grocery stores
- replace conveyor belt sushi and restaurant vending machine ordering, with actual human interaction with a waiter
- replace 24/7 eSports cafes where young males earn false fitness signals via Tekken fighting and Overwatch shooting games, with athletics in school
- heavily stigmatize maid cafes where lonely salarymen pay young girls to dress as anime characters and perform anime dances for them
- revitalize traditional Japanese culture (Shintoism, Okinawan karate, onsen, etc)
If we couldnāt react with āwake up babe, new copypasta just droppedā or ātag yourself, Iām the false fitness signal in the maid cafĆ©ā, we couldnāt react to a lot of life.
being performatively worried about Japanese birth rates is a HN trope, for whatever thatās worth
i thought for some time now that problems with japanese society are things like stifling conformism, ridiculous degree of nationalism and sexism, how they are functionally an one-party state or stiff strictly hierarchial relationships that appear out of nowhere the entire time. but yeah definitely this seed oils level of conspiracy thinking is accepted truth on eacc twitter
it also sounds extremely specific
I dont know enough about Japan, but is it just me or is that a very specific fleshlight gripe? E: yes, I guess, this means Iām tagging myself as the fleshlight or something.
This reminded me that TWG has a Twitter account. I could have done without that reminder.
A few years ago, I would have pointed to Elon Musk as someone approximately where I was in the political spectrum. The left pushed him away, the right welcomed him, and he spent hundreds of millions of dollars and put in immense effort to elect Trump.
No, you embossed carbuncle. Apartheid boy was evil all along; you were just too media-illiterate to see through the propaganda.
The left made him call that guy a pedo in 2018, and tell his first wife he was the alpha in the relationship in 2000. Thanks Obama.
E: forgot about the āim actually a socialist, but with a more capitalist characterā tweet
The left did not push Elon Musk away. The left has fundamentally different interests and values to the billionaire and alleged rapist.
this guy nailing the UHC CEO is the only good thing they will ever have a chance of claiming credit for, so of course they rush to disavow him
lol thatās exquisite
but you could tell the guy was into Effective Altruism from how he did dust specks vs CEOs
@TinyTimmyTokyo @BlueMonday1984 lab-gown mest is fine tho. Iād be all over it if it ever works.
But yeah heād fit right in on LW Iām sureEdited based on later chat: eh
https://med-mastodon.com/@noodlemaz/113641637798676074one of the best articles Iāve ever read was an inch by inch teardown of the entire concept of mass produced lab grown meat: https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ . itās never, ever going to work at scale and Iād go so far as to say itās the food equivalent of all the usual tech grifts we talk about here
if luigi incident kicks off next miracle tech sv bubble after ai this would be the single dumbest outcome out of this entire situation
so far tpot got exposure and fake manifesto included altmed dogwhistle right in the title
@sc_griffith thanks, that is a cool piece! Indeed having done plenty cell culture myself and seeing those shockingly astronomical meat consumption figures, the solutions seem much clearer to me. I doubt LGM will be a useful reality in my lifetime, maybe far in the future. So, people need to stop eating meat, and eat plants instead.
Many are already doing so! Iāve mostly stopped with meat myself, just some fish to go.
But we need political will. Change of culture. Sanctions on the US, etc :/
@sc_griffith stood out:
āa mature, scaled-up industry could eventually achieve a ratio of only 3-4 calories in for every calorie out, compared to the chickenās 10 and the steerās 25. That would still make cultured meat much more inefficient compared to just eating plants themselvesā¦ And the cells themselves might still be fed on a diet of commodity grains, the cheapest and most environmentally destructive inputs available. But it would represent a major improvement.ā@sc_griffith last one (probably) - as Iām now working quite a lot adjacent to philanthropists (and find the whole concept and reality of that deeply morally unpleasant on many levels), v interesting interweaving of that aspect.
And again, comes back to the EA nonsense.
Sigh
Same. Iām not being critical of lab-grown meat. I think itās a great idea.
But the pattern of things heās got an opinion on suggests a familiarity with rationalist/EA/accelerationist/TPOT ideas.
