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    Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle.

    No, it’s pretty simple. It’s called “profit sharing” where workers get the lions share of profits. It’s more realistic than alternatives in a country that thinks Joe Biden is a communist.

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            No, it’s literally socialism 101 so I wouldn’t expect a tankie to understand.

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              A tankie is a hardline ML in your opinion yes? Did you know most “tankies” read theory to better understand the world and are definitely more knowledgeable than “socialists” (by which you mean libs who aren’t actually socialist like yourself)

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                No, but one of the top posts in the “tankiverse” recently was saying that places like North Korea are the bastions of freedom.

                More nuanced takes on communism, etc are done instances other than Hexbear and Lemmygrad.

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                This is the worst attempt at Sealioning that I have ever seen.

                Please tell me with full seriousness how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

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                  how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

                  Theres this concept, where the Capitalists are expropriated from and reproletarianized back into the working class whom in turn seize full control of the means of production and abolish the capitalist governments in order to build governments of/by/for the working class. Thats called building Socialism, and to do anything other than working towards the goal of liquidating the enemies of the working class is to do anything other than fighting for socialism.

                  Taking money from the rich and simply redistributing it a la your “profit sharing” does not solve the fundamental contradiction between the capitalist class and the working class as it does nothing to change the economic structure the two exist in opposition to each other. If nothing else. all you’re advocating for is prolonging the existence of Capitalism and fighting against the interests of your own class by advocating for maintaining the cruel system of Capitalism but trying to disguise the worst visages it wears with smiley face emojis

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                    Ok. But you have to agree it’s a lot closer to socialism than the status quo.

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                  Because they don’t own the means of production. Socialism isn’t just redirecting capital, it is about eliminating it and the ruling class. Profit sharing is a bandaid on the grand canyon; workers are still exploited by the capital class. Socialism is a completely and total shift so large and threatening to the ruling class that it can only happen through revolution, it’s way bigger than sharing profits

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                    But you have to agree it’s a lot closer to socialism than the status quo.

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                    That’s not whataboutism, that was the original argument.

                    You guys are the worst trolls in the fediverse.