I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
“it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless”
It’s a little strange that you think “I want feature parity with what’s working for me (from my perspective)” is:
- A lie.
- Unreasonable to ask for.
The healthy responses would be “Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about… yet” or, if they’re open to it “Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you.”
The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone’s tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.
yeah, if you want to talk to computer normies about it, its good to focus on the practical advantages.
you wont get nag screens and bullshit, its yours. it works well even on potato computers. its actually easier to use in a lot of ways. there are no ads. it actually runs games now, sometimes better than windows. it wont randomly slow down for some background task while you use it. it wont uninstall your shit or reset settings. it wont install shit without you approval. there are no ads. its less targeted by hackers and viruses. it is more powerful if you want to put the effort.
so on, so forth. privacy and freedom are important things, but ones that most people sadly dont think about in secondary aspects of their lives like computers are for most people.
If your computer is mainly a toy I really DGAF what you put up with to use it.
I’ll move once it has Steam VR support. I don’t care if it’s just one VR game at the start. I just want to be able to see my monitors and play one game. And I know other options exist. But I want Steam.
I can’t believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.
Haven’t booted into Windows since at least November, it’s a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.
What a time to be alive!
(note: the only game I can’t play is Valorant, but that’s the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)
Every so often, when an online game gets support on Linux I give it a go. I almost immediately remember why I stopped playing them, most of them are cesspools of toxic pkayers, predatory micro (and mavro) transactions and the works. 100% of games worth playing run on linux already.
Well windows has 100% support. So it’s reasonable that an alternative that people want to use would be as accessable.
Sorry
Windows has 100% support for Windows. I mean, yeah?
I don’t see Windows supporting Linux programs. Or Apple programs.
It’s a bad argument.
Except windows doesnt have 100% compatibility guaranteed either , there are cases where old games and programs are no longer working on newer versions of windows. These same games and programs in many cases will work on linux as there is a compatible wine prefix.
I get your point though, I’m pointing out the 100% figure is not true for either os.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don’t know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90’s.
Who cares.
Folks that’re going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
It’s pretty hard switch. I have a high interest in Linux, and I have 100% game compatibility. But I’m always running into issues that are so bad I have to abandon ship. I broken Ubuntu, Nobara, Debian, OpenSuse, and EndeavorOS. Truly Linux isn’t ready for newbies.
To counter this, my experience was completely different. The transition was very easy.
Just set up some type of snapshots (I used Timeshift with auto snapshots made before every update and made available immediately on grub boot menu).
I ran EndeavourOS for over a year this way, and broke it a whole bunch of times while learning the ins and outs. Timeshift was clutch, and made reverting any mistakes super easy.
Now I’m on Bazzite, which is atomic and immutable, so I don’t really worry about breaking anything because I couldn’t if I wanted to (I mean I could, but it’s not easy).
Yep I very familiar with time shift, but some of the problems out of the box, for example OpenSuse would have loud annoying audio glitching whenever I would scroll within a window. When I looked into it; it seemed like other users never found a solution.
That’s an odd one. I never had that on OpenSUSE, did have static once though, but I think polling speed or something fixed it.
Linux is ready for newbies, just as Windows is. You just have to relearn stuff and not treat it like Windows.
I’m planning on trying Nobara again soon, since that seems to be where I learned the most, unfortunate bc I really wanted EndeavorOS to work out
Try Garuda, the gaming edition is well configured for Nvidia cards, and from what I’ve seen AMD, out of the box. There was some small issues I had Nobara that I’ve not had with Garuda, and at the time I was trying Nobara it was just GE doing all the dev work on it. It has a very active forum where the dev team is quick to answer questions. The two times I ran into an issue that turned out to be a bug, I had devs replying quickly and it was fixed quickly. Highly recommend.
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, “just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything.” Neither of those is the case because it doesn’t factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it’s mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren’t growing isn’t going to help.
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn’t mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren’t using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
At the time I wasn’t thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn’t have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would’ve made me mad about this post is that I wouldn’t shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I’ve got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it’s Lemmy and it’s online, it’s a person’s choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn’t a square where I’m screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it’s sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I’m the elder in this situation, I’ll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don’t want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
??? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you’re keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You’re sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you’re just a teenager because that means you’re going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Yeah you’re right
Try to play Diablo 2 or Commandos on a new windows box … Possible but a huge hassle IMO.
This, linux is actually much easier for older games
Using the same source ports that run them on Linux, but on Windows instead, is not a significant hurdle or differentiator between the OSes.
Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.
Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.
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