I’ve said this before, and been(more than) down voted for it, but I want more conservatives, more tankies, more anything I don’t outright agree with. People will say how bad person in their echo chamber is in their echo chamber.
The early internet was so scarce it was important to find like minded people. Today the internet is so widespread it should be the opposite. It takes 5 minutes to find a entire platform filled with people who all think like you. That’s how we got flat earth conventions.
I’m confident in my beliefs and opinions, which is why I want them challenged. I want to think critically, I want difficult rhetoric. I want my world view to be challenged. I want to be uncomfortable.
This only works when they engage in good faith. So no, you don’t want more tankies and conservatives, because most of them are incapable of that. Their worldview requires that they do not.
Agree, but I think there are lots of people who are a bit more on the fence, or playing around with ideas. If someone says something stupid out of ignorance or inexperience, and they get blasted for it, they probably aren’t gonna learn much from it, and they might go hang out with the people who responded well to it…
Obviously if you try and it turns out they understand what they are saying, and are doing it intentionally, they can get fucked. Problem is it’s hard to tell sometimes, and not many people have the capacity to tolerate that behaviour enough to find out.
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
So you’re an authoritarian who wants to control dialog and define good and evil based on your own worldview? I’m anti racist, anti nazi btw before you start throwing strawmen at me.
So if you’re anti nazi, would you engage once in a debate on whether the jews really destroyed the German economy and Hitler was protecting his people, or would you tell them to fuck off?
Isn’t defending a viewpoint with evidence kinda important even if you think the viewpoint is a “no brainer?”
Nobody owes anyone on the internet a well-researched argument, but those who are up to the task of making them can be pretty influential. Maybe even start to chip away at the corruption of people who have fallen to intolerance propaganda… not all of them are doomed.
One of my best friends is a former manosphere incel. I’m a former perpetually-offended Tumblr SJW. Both of us changed our viewpoints because people pointed out flaws with them. Not everyone changes their viewpoints but some do—though likely not when confronted only with “fuck off”
I think it’s better to make fun of people for their stupid beliefs. When they realize nobody takes them seriously, they may reevaluate their positions. Did this happen a lot to you and your friend?
the bubble helps no one, remember everyone on tiktok tweaking when republicans were winning, they were also in their own social media bubbles and never see any of the “woke” mind changing type posts, mfs out here praising trump for low gas prices like they suddenly dropped when he won and haven’t already been low.
I agree wholeheartedly. I’m a weird mix of politics, radically left and radically right and also sometimes the middle. The radical middle, but fuck centrists. I almost never find like minded people and that’s why I’m here. And why I get banned from echo chambers sometimes. That used to mess with my head. That was a long time ago. I just don’t give a fuck.
I say we deport the immigrants. ALL the immigrants. I mean anyone in the US that is an immigrant, or descended from an immigrant. Time to kick them all out! Anyone who isn’t descended from the native population, back on the boat. And damn it, this includes myself!
I’ve said this before, and been(more than) down voted for it, but I want more conservatives, more tankies, more anything I don’t outright agree with. People will say how bad person in their echo chamber is in their echo chamber.
The early internet was so scarce it was important to find like minded people. Today the internet is so widespread it should be the opposite. It takes 5 minutes to find a entire platform filled with people who all think like you. That’s how we got flat earth conventions.
I’m confident in my beliefs and opinions, which is why I want them challenged. I want to think critically, I want difficult rhetoric. I want my world view to be challenged. I want to be uncomfortable.
This only works when they engage in good faith. So no, you don’t want more tankies and conservatives, because most of them are incapable of that. Their worldview requires that they do not.
Agree, but I think there are lots of people who are a bit more on the fence, or playing around with ideas. If someone says something stupid out of ignorance or inexperience, and they get blasted for it, they probably aren’t gonna learn much from it, and they might go hang out with the people who responded well to it…
Obviously if you try and it turns out they understand what they are saying, and are doing it intentionally, they can get fucked. Problem is it’s hard to tell sometimes, and not many people have the capacity to tolerate that behaviour enough to find out.
I’d rather not talk with people that genuinely hate me, and/or want to kill me thank you.
Idk… I’m not sure I want all their racist shit echoing around in here with us.
Plus all that paradox of tolerance stuff
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
istg whoever solves this problem will win a fucking nobel prize.
It’s already solved. You kick the reactionaries out. It’s just that a lot of people struggle to accept the solution.
So you’re an authoritarian who wants to control dialog and define good and evil based on your own worldview? I’m anti racist, anti nazi btw before you start throwing strawmen at me.
So if you’re anti nazi, would you engage once in a debate on whether the jews really destroyed the German economy and Hitler was protecting his people, or would you tell them to fuck off?
Isn’t defending a viewpoint with evidence kinda important even if you think the viewpoint is a “no brainer?”
Nobody owes anyone on the internet a well-researched argument, but those who are up to the task of making them can be pretty influential. Maybe even start to chip away at the corruption of people who have fallen to intolerance propaganda… not all of them are doomed.
One of my best friends is a former manosphere incel. I’m a former perpetually-offended Tumblr SJW. Both of us changed our viewpoints because people pointed out flaws with them. Not everyone changes their viewpoints but some do—though likely not when confronted only with “fuck off”
I think it’s better to make fun of people for their stupid beliefs. When they realize nobody takes them seriously, they may reevaluate their positions. Did this happen a lot to you and your friend?
not sure about my friend but back then I always responded to being made fun of by further isolating myself among like-minded people lol
https://werd.io/2023/leaving-the-nazi-bar
Me too - I can live happily with the fact that not everyone thinks like me; but I still want to know what the other people are thinking.
the bubble helps no one, remember everyone on tiktok tweaking when republicans were winning, they were also in their own social media bubbles and never see any of the “woke” mind changing type posts, mfs out here praising trump for low gas prices like they suddenly dropped when he won and haven’t already been low.
That’s a hard pitch to a platform known to be unflinchingly rigid about maintaining their wind tunnels.
I agree wholeheartedly. I’m a weird mix of politics, radically left and radically right and also sometimes the middle. The radical middle, but fuck centrists. I almost never find like minded people and that’s why I’m here. And why I get banned from echo chambers sometimes. That used to mess with my head. That was a long time ago. I just don’t give a fuck.
Please tell us your radically right policy lmao
Not OP, but here’s my radical right wing belief.
I say we deport the immigrants. ALL the immigrants. I mean anyone in the US that is an immigrant, or descended from an immigrant. Time to kick them all out! Anyone who isn’t descended from the native population, back on the boat. And damn it, this includes myself!
Damn straight! And I think I found the place that disagrees with me the most. Even Tumblr in its heyday wasn’t nearly as left wing