And those that do gaslight themselves into saying that’s not what it was

Repeating “they are bad and dumb” ad nauseum is no way to inspire sane conversation. It’s just echo chamber circle jerk.

I’m trying not to fed post but what’s even the solution for this rampant indoctrination of the uneducated and gullible?

American pride won’t admit defeat, you’re right. However, most Americans are blind to brown nosing. Like Trump, if you just make them feel good emotionally, you can make them do whatever you want. (See the lifting of the tik tok ban)

Just call us good little boys and girls and tell us Jesus would want us to share, and you’ll have a communist America overnight.

Well he moved the bullet because he wanted trump to rule. Just awaiting DOGE to announce they are going to make recovering the Ark of the Covenant a top priority.

They’re called the apartheid defense league for a reason

“I just can’t believe the face-eating leopards who constantly made face-eating gestures and promised to eat faces on day one would eat my face!”

Even if we give them literally all of benefit of doubt and assume it really was Bellamy salute, it don’t make it any better, it’s still salute of genocidal empire. And i don’t have any benefit to give, Bellamy salute is old rubbish nerd trivia from century ago, here and now Musk gesture have only one meaning.

you are forgetting that Elon is a dumbass and it is probable that he really did a nazi salute by accident

They’re in a media ecosystem that just won’t talk about this stuff. FOX News and Drudge Report are going to run a thousand “Random Black Person Acts Scary!” headlines before you’ve had your coffee, then lead into the latest Musk scandal with “Very Jewish Very Not-Fascist ADL says Elon Actually Cool And Good”.

This isn’t a question of self-reflection nearly so much as it is an accumulation of priors from outside sources.

What they’re incapable of is recognizing that ‘the badies’ (Nazis) is something they should avoid.

The problem isn’t that they don’t know they’re evil, it’s that they fucking love it.

Its a two party system and plenty of people looked at the options, decided “I’m going to vote for the least bad candidate”, and went with Trump.

That’s in part because Haris’s campaign sucked shit (she spent more time on the trail with Liz Cheney than her own VP), in part because Biden’s “booming” economy couldn’t seemed to rectify the same escalating wealth imbalance we’ve been drowning in since Ford/Carter, in part because generations of voter disenfranchisement have stacked the deck against liberals, and in part because 15M D voters didn’t show up between 2020 and 2024.

But the idea that “casual” voters of any strip don’t exist really ignores how many Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump voters just flit in the wind based on however they’re feeling at a given moment.

What’s more, if the US has an underlying ideology, it tends toward fascism. Liberals don’t want to grapple with that, so they end up offering up half-a-fascism to the moderate voter and telling the Radical Antifa Leftists to pound sand every four years.

Of course there are. My neighbor is one. A simple minded idiot, conned by the lies and the cult of personality. But, if you talked to him, you’d never think for a second that he’d vote for Trump.

Video evidence of him throwing a Nazi salute; side-by-side comparison of him and Hitler throwing the same salute; he’s boosting the fucking NAZI PARTY in Germany, but i don’t think he means it, guys!

if you dont mean to defend/apologise for musk. why did you even take the time to write this? As a german who studied the ns-regieme a lot in their life let me (and pretty much every expert on that issue who commented on that) tell you that this is a clear nazi solute. not greatly executed, the führer would have been dissapointed, but it features all the elements to that salute. as i suspect elon has a pr team, and ‘educated’ himself on the holocaust in Oświęcim, id say it is impossible he didnt know and accidentally mimiced it in that detail.

But I don’t think Elon did a salute.

Okay, hear me out. What if the apartheidist xenophobe far-right suck-up with the media machine that front-pages Nazi shit on the regular… what if his arm just did that?

Your mental gymnastics are Olympic class

That’s not how you throw something though

Look, I get it mistakes happen. If a reasonable person had done something that might have given the wrong impression, they would have been like “sorry that was not my intent, I apologize to those that got offended”.

This is not what Musk did AFTER being called out.

So, fuck this. This was a Nazi salute. Don’t believe the gaslighting.

Best case scenario it’s a very bold dogwhistle. Which isn’t any better.

Maybe don’t do Nazi salutes then. Zero empathy for you and your Nazi friends.

Just give up. You can’t win here. I also hate the near perfect echo-chamber liberals have here on lemmy, but there’s nothing to get out of arguing here.

I just wish they’d leave their crying out of memes…

You just spent all of your political capital supporting a genocide. You aren’t better than them. You are objectively worse.

Cowards downvoting without speaking. Do I detect shame? Or am I giving you too much credit?

I have a feeling that if you watch the actual video of those events, you’ll find some differences in the movement of their arms.