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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36276203
ID: 3 panel comic:
A surprised looking person pops in to existence on a floating rock surrounded by fire, next to the devil.
The person asks “wait a second-- why’d I end up in hell??”
The devil, now taking up the entire frame, replies: “because centrism enables fascism”
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Ah yes, the old “everyone right of Pol Pot is a faaaaashhhhhhh”. A surefire way to make friends and allies, and not end up as a marginalized group of kooks.
americans discovering rest of the democracies have more than 2 parties and people change who they vote for regularly, making center a pretty sensible place to be for most people.
Wow that sounds super great and forward-thinking.
What sorta parties do they have in germany?
Edit: on second thought I shouldn’t give you an out…
What is the 5th most popular political party in germany?
Amazing comeback. This convinced me america is not a 3rd world fashist hellhole.
I’m gonna be honest this is a dumb way to view these issues. “You’re either with me or against me” just fuels an “us vs them” mentality that leads to hate and division more than anything. It shows that you’d rather label people as “the enemy” than try to understand other perspectives. Also this is the bike cuck guy. Just saying.
Most people calling themselves centrists are either so privileged that they never needed to learn about politics because they will most likely be the beneficiaries of the political system or they are so uneducated that they never even figured out how to inform themselves correctly.
Centrists usually just support the dominant force of a given system which often boils down to seeking to find compromises between left and right wing ideologies, something that doesn’t work so well when a big part of the conservative platform in most countries is the hate and discrimination of certain minorities.
In bike cuck’s defense, this is edited.
Eh point still stands, I wouldn’t use an edit of bike cuck to make a point unless the point was to satirize his original point.
There’s a lot of people in the center that feel alienated by all the vocal lunatics on the far ends of both sides.
Not that multi-party democracy is a fix on its own, but coalition governments can sometimes do a better job representing people than “round up to L or R or GTFO”
No it doesn’t.
Broken political systems enable fascism. The lie that the US has a strong constitution and political system has been revealed.
In the US you get 1/3 of the electorate and ypu get everything. In the US you appoint political judges from 2 parties and control everything. In the US every election is between 2 parties, there is no other option. In the US the 2 parties gerrymander constituencies to give themselves perpetual power. In the US small states have disproportionate power in the senate and the presidency. In the US the president can make laws on a whim.
Centerists aren’t the problem. The entire US system is the problem. And they have gaslit you to believe that the only option is to play the game their way and pick the lesser evil. The actual only solution is to tear the whole lot down and start again. Reform would be ideal, but revolution may by the only realistic way of doing it the way things are going.
The opposition blaming each other for the fascists behaviour is part of how fascists get away with it.
“Everyone who doesn’t have my political opinions is going to hell”
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Good point! And I noticed- that is suspiciously reminiscent of another political party that’s been popular in recent news….
Hmmm.
Its almost as if keeping the oposition divided is the point of these posts.
Centrists are not the opposition, they’re conservatives that don’t like being called conservatives.
Yep, currenr conservative ideals are “fuck the poor, fuck black peiple, fuck trans people, fuck women, fuck gay people, fuck anyone that isn’t a rich white cishet male”. Hard to be an actual centrist with that shit…
Yeah, and made out of straw. We’ll gather votes like this for sure!
Naaah. That’s Libertarians. Centrists are essentially political atheists.
Absolutely agree. None of the many parties in my country have a program that resonates completely with me. That means that i have to think about which issue is the most important for my community or my family when I vote.
You have to be totally brainwashed to actually believe centrists are conservatives. Maybe if you keep up that hate it might become true. Ironically you sound just as hateful as actual conservatives. Just because I don’t agree with all progressive politics doesn’t make me a conservative. That’s literally centrist. If that offends you, that’s a you issue
What the rest of the world considers centrist, would be radical left wing in the US.
The reason many people think centrists are just conservatives in disguise, is because the “centrists” most people see online aren’t actually centrists. They’re only slightly left of the extreme right, and think there’s a middle-ground compromise somewhere between “we want all these people dead” and “nobody should die.”
I think that just shows lack of imagination. I may be a centrist: want a free palestinian state, support the ukranian government, and belive that renewables are not sustainable economically, and be against imigration (I am european, these are not necessarily my opinions, just an example). You can either alienate me or convince me.
Inaction against injustice enables fascism. Centrists are more often inactive against injustice, but not always.
So your clever plan to get them to take action is to have the left constantly call them the reason usa is going to hell. Oh boy which side should they choose? the left who constantly hates them treats them the same as the right or the right who ignores them. Hot damn, seems left already descided they gonna be right so congrats, now you are even more of the voterbase is not going to vote with you the next round. No wonder trumps in office.
Lord.
Amazing how people don’t want to share your political views if you constantly attack them and say they’re at fault.
It’s almost as bad as being so dug into your belief system that you would rather let fascists win then compromise.
Exactly. Extremism is the problem, not “centrists”. Lemmy has poobrain sometimes.
I’m not an ideologue, but historically, centrism (or, to be more precise, liberalism) has done a pretty poor job of defeating extreme points of view, because they typically won’t do what’s required to resolve the conditions which lead to extremism, and the response to threats to the status quo (socially or politically) are more often met with repression.
The adage “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” doesn’t come from nowhere.
Letting slightly less people die is not compromise, allowing any genocide is not compromise, allowing people to starve is not compromise, Bernie was our compromise and Liberals would rather watch Trump win than accept our compromise.
And so now more people will die. I fail to see how this was beneficial to anyone but the fascists.
People who didn’t vote can feel better about themselves because they didn’t vote for either side which both supported genocide.
Edit: To be clear, I think people who didn’t vote are idiots. Just saying what they probably thought to themselves while ignoring the big picture
Which didn’t stop the genocide, and handed the administration over to the party which immediately undid what little resistance the last party did enact, thereby making the genocide worse. No one with critical thinking skills could feel better about themselves for that.
Nah, don’t you get it. Refusing to pull the level and switch the track is clearly the only ethical choice.
/s before people genuinely think I am in defense throwing your hands up in the air and calling it not your problem.
You can be on the fence about anything, but remember the devil owns the fence.
Lol, the devil? What are we, children? Do you also believe in Santa?
Eh… I envy you, if so. Truly…
Am i missing a joke or something?
When you have 2 yards separated by a fence, the fence is on one of the sides, somebody owns the fence. The saying means that by not picking sides, you still technically pick a side.
It’s a metaphor. You don’t need to “believe” in them.
it’s not a good place to sit.
with enough pressure the fence becomes a jagged edge that can cut you in half.
I’m not centrist because I’m on the fence, I’m centrist because I hold both leftwing and rightwing ideologies
Honest question that you dont need to answer: what are your right wing ideologies? Are they just fiscal or are they social as well?
From the rightwing side, I support private healthcare, strict immigration laws (I am an immigrant), and the lower value of human life (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life)
From the leftwing side, I support higher taxes, UBI, public education, public transit, and work camps
And you’re okay with one side openly calling for violence against others and destroying society for the benefit of a few?
you’re okay with one side openly calling for violence against others
Absolutely? Free Luigi.
destroying society for the benefit of a few
Nope, that’s not generally something I support
I laughed aloud. Thank you for this.
We are a dying breed… The ones who aren’t always screaming about extremist nonsense. This world wasn’t made for us…
Yeah I don’t get why people like OP think not being an extremist means you feel nothing about any political ideology or position.
I agree with Democrats on most issues so I vote accordingly, but I’m not under the illusion that being closer to perfection most of the time means anything the DNC says or does has to be gospel, or I have to do mental gymnastics to make my views fit theirs.
At the end of the day they’re a political cabal that seeks to sustain itself with more votes than the other guy. For example, they had zero position on abortion until the 80s, when the GOP decided to politicize it. Because the GOP left the pro-choice crowd behind, the DNC scooped them up and added it to their platform. They don’t actually care about abortion, they care about votes.
Remember when CoViD-19 was new and everyone was wearing masks until Trump said Masks Bad so now the GOP has to be anti mask mandate? Note how that has nothing to do with “small government” or any other GOP principle.
Wouldnt each side accuse the other of that specifically whilst believing their own side doesn’t?
I’m guessing that’s the point of the question.
all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing
those who do nothing are evil’s greatest allies.
Yeah. I voted third party in 2020, which effectively did nothing.
I did not make the same mistake twice, good did something this time.
So… what’s your take on not voting in protest?
In a conflict, leaving any tool unused on the table, especially one that inconveniences you so little as voting, is a dereliction of duty. Not voting is like not wiping your ass: childish, ineffective, and an embarrassment upon you and anyone within your proximity.
- A surprised looking person pops in to existence […]
You mean a surprised looking Shen. That’s his self-insert character in his comics.
Also known as Bike Cuck
Haha, yeah! He’s really pissed that people keep posting the bicycle emoji to all his messages in his Facebook Messenger chat.
Can someone ELI5 the bike thing?
I kind of just did. Shen has a Facebook Messenger chat for his FB page, where only he can talk. People can reply to his messages with emojis, but that’s it. He uses it to update his community on his comic and personal life ordeals.
For some reason, a bunch of people started spamming the bike emoji on every message he posted. He started freaking out about it, asking why people are using that emoji specifically. But no one can respond, so he just got more bike emojis. So it’s become a thing, where he occasionally just gets frustrated that the bike emoji is the dominant response to everything he posts.
So that makes more sense, but- do people not like him? Seems unnecessarily antagonistic to do that and then call him “Bike Cuck” for no reason.
Did he do something? Or do people just not like his comics?
They’re making fun of him for specifically this comic: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/314/087/c1a.jpg
Okay. Now I think I get it. Thanks!
The clue is “cuck.” Only right-wing shitheads use that term unironically.
It started pretty randomly and he fanned the flames by pointing it out. I think people were just enjoying watching him freak out about it - especially since he couldn’t get a response to his inquiries without opening his chat to everyone. He seems to be taking it well, though.
Isn’t that because of the stolen bike comic?
I couldn’t tell you. It appeared to start randomly on FB Messenger and he just made it worse by pointing it out to his followers. Now he gets hundreds of bike emojis on every comment he posts.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
So I’d love to hear your take on non voting as a means of protest. Or voting third party when you know there’s no chance of their success.
Both of these things can be considered as men doing nothing.
People who don’t vote at the lowest level elections and don’t engage in opportunities to improve or lead their communities are typically the same people who abstain from voting in the bigger races. Then they will say, “Both parties are awful, so why bothet?”
It’s apathy down the board. Every excuse to not vote is hiding their own failure to make change happen. Are those “good men”?
Nope. They are not.
