Yeah, and the sky is blue.
At this point I wonder what a non-tankie communist is to these kind of folks. So far being against NATO, not supporting the EU welfare state (“Nordic model”), pointing out Nazis in Ukraine, critical support for the axis of resistance, etc. makes you a tankie. By that metric a non-tankie is more or less a lib.
They’re libs that want free healthcare, basically.
Free healthcare for me, white supremacist terrorism for thee
free Healthcare for those they think deserve it not all
a non-tankie is more or less a lib
you’ve got it
A non-tankie leftist is somebody who insists that it would be immoral to use anything but the master’s tools to dismantle the master’s house.
non-tankie leftist
A “socialist” that believes the only successful socialist experiments are in Denmark/Sweden/etc. and that anything to the left of them is not real socialism
I think I’ve been seeing more leftcom takes coming up in these sorts pf “anti-tankie” spaces. If I had to guess, I think the best explanation is that a small minority of people are actually reading theory but they never read anything that’s positive about AES, these people are the ones posting leftcom takes, and everyone else is as you say.
These are usually the types who say that we need to move past Marx without actually reading any original Marx.
A subreddit re-discovering left-communism in a monkeys-with-typewriters style situation is a pretty good bit.
Like r/196 accidentally typing out the entire works of Amadeo Bordiga before they read one single paragraph of ML theory is
it’s that bell-curve IQ meme with 196 on the left and ultraleft on the right, and us chads right in the center
Leftist in thought, liberal in action.
I don’t think they’re really leftist in thought either, though. It’s pretty rare for this kind of person to read Marx, Engels, or even Kropotkin, Luxembourg, Gonzalo, or other writers that are in the communist canon yet are highly critical of the mainline ML theory. I think out of the minority that are reading anything, they’re reading post-modernist writers.
did Gonzalo ever write theory
His entire thing was mixing José Carlos Mariátegui/Peruvian Socialist with European Socialism/Marxism and Maoism. Most of his texts are usually just explaining Mariateguism (the proposal was a return to the old Incan Society, since Mariategui considered them a form of Proto-Rural Socialism, but without the emperors and religion) Maoism and Marxism. Gonzalo was really weird and the current day Shining Path is actually Pro-China and Pro-Russia, they are currently alligned with the Liberal Social Democrats, the Ethnocarcerists (Left-Wing Incan Ultranationalists, those are soldiers and officers inspired or were a part of Gen. Velasco’s Peruvian Socialist goverment during the 1960s - 1970s) and Inkarri Islam (A Islamic Ultranationalist group that supports an Incan Communist Islamic state and promotes unity between Islam, Catholicism and Incan Mythology).
Wow I feel like I know jack shit about south America now, I was missing out on a lot
A lot of the problems and chaos that Peru have been experience recently is due to the Tacnazo 1975 coup. This coup led to the chaos during the 1980s and 1990s (Velasco had previously banned all communist parties but at the same time he freed all communists from jail and gave them jobs inside his goverment, he even had them create a Socialist Party to support his goverment. Velasco renamed a bunch of things to native names, he promoted native languages and would have gone way futher with his reforms if weren’t for the USA sabotaging his goverments and Gen. J. J. Torres’ socialist goverment in Bolivia).
Velasco Alvarado was overthrown in 1975 by his prime minister Francisco Morales Bermúdez, who overturned many of Velasco Alvarado’s pro-Socialist reforms and joined Operation Condor. His government repressed the protests that surged as a result of inflation.
What the fuck is going on with them these days
Also arent there like, 2 groups that claim to be the shining paths successors? And is one of them involved with the drug trade or is that just propaganda
Shining Path is not well liked by large parts of the Peruvian left. Afaik, a lot of communists say that the Shining Path was financed or influenced by the CIA to deslegitimize the MRTA (Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement) and destabilize the socdem goverment of Alan Garcia. After the Fujimori dictatorship of the 1990s crackdown hard on both the Shining Path (without Fujimori’s knowledge btw) and on the MRTA (Fujimori personally posed with dead corpses of guerrilla fighters), and the Pink Tide resulting on Alan Garcia second govemrnet and Gen. Ollanta Humala goverment, they lost all their power and divided into many factions.
Nowadays they’re allied with the Anti-Fujimori Coalition or the Progressive Coalition (it seems like many people in the global south calls this vague coalition of anti-neoliberal/anti-fascist political parties that include liberals, conservatives, socialists, socdems, nationalists and communists, they call it Progressivism). They barely controls any real territory anymore and I wouldn’t be surprise if many of them gave up on ideological struggle and joined organized crime. I know that a bunch of them ended up joining the Ethnocarcerism movement (which is made up by a lot of soldiers and officers that they used to fight during the 1980s).
Heres how
berniesendero can still winAfaik, a lot of communists say that the Shining Path was financed or influenced by the CIA to deslegitimize the MRTA (Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement) and destabilize the socdem goverment of Alan Garcia.
Here’s an English translation of a work that discusses this: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:The_CIA’s_Shining_Path:_Political_Warfare
Who the fuck am I kidding communism is a book club
A book club that covers dry economic treatises and things seemingly written with the most archaic and hyperspecific jargon available, even at the time, where a chunk of the members are really into the book, and the rest of the book club doesn’t read the book, they just come to drink the wine and complain about their lives.
I will never understand the people who find reading theory fun and energizing rather than just something you have to do that provides you with useful tools to analyze the world.
I will never understand the people who find reading theory fun and energizing rather than just something you have to do that provides you with useful tools to analyze the world.
While I wouldn’t say it has ever been “fun” it has been satisfying and gratifying to read something that mirrors my own thoughts on capitalism, just much more well thought out, it’s satisfying because it turns general vibes about capitalism into more concrete ideas.
I mean, yes. I agree. This is very much true. When I understand what they’re trying to say, it feels amazing to know that someone 100 years ago or more thought exactly what I think about what’s wrong with society, put it into far more academic and polished language, and suggested concrete solutions and steps to fixing it, not just “we need a revolution”, but “we need a revolutionary political party and here’s how we can build one”, which… the precise ideas are always outdated and usually very regional, but the general methodologies are solid! And knowing other commies around the world are reading the same thing? That feels even better. Knowing I don’t have the social skills or community connections to build a party or the organisations and loose groups that become one, but other commies do, and they have access to these blueprints too? That gives me hope.
But all that said, a lot of theory is full of academic jargon and terminology that was archaic even at the time, and reading it can be frustrating in equal measure to that clicking feeling when you Get It. It’s often a good way to get a headache, and listening to it on audio format is something I’m more likely to do when I need to fall asleep than intending to actually attentively process it. (Though Stalin’s stuff does have a tendency to keep me awake. Another reason for revisionists to hate him, lol!)
Bring 1 gallon water to a boil, add salt…
To these people world leaders like:
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are radical evil gommunist tankies.Wtf we have palme emotes i had no idea
He deserves a emote even if he’s a euro socdem who criticized the Soviets and China. Dude gave support to the Vietcong and Anti-Apartheid groups, and got killed for it.
He supported cuba too afaik
Yes he did. Also the corrupt SocDem PM of italy, Bettino Craxi, used his power and money to finance and protect communists in LatAm and the Arab world, he also supported Palestinians. But at the same time he also financed Solidarity in Poland and hated the Soviets.
Supporting the Viet Cong while not supporting the USSR that actually supported them materially was definitely a choice
People who feel like if the revolution happens, it will happen “for real” in rich western nations first, or in one of their allies countries (e.g. rojava).
Gotta be 196 they’re the only ones uneducated enough to say this.
The actual neoliberals are like “Yeah duh that’s just socialists”.
The rest of the socialists are like “Yeah duh that’s just socialists”.
The only people that act like this are the radlibs that believe they are left wing anticapitalists but fundamentally know absolutely nothing about political ideologies at all.
I can smell a Vaushite
from miles away.Yup, it was 196, and the OP even made the genius move of crossposting it to /socialism, that’s where I saw it lol
i’ll take one radlib please, heavy on the lib
screaming leftists infighting when someone says party responsible for genocide should not get vote
Fellas, is it tankie to mention things that happened in world history?
yes. We were all born today and the notion there is such a thing as a “past” is heretical knowledge.
What do we mean by the USSR was illegally dissolved? I guess I don’t know much about the actual process of the USSRs dissolution.
There’s longer posts but in short, the vast majority who voted did not vote to dissolve the USSR but to reform it.
A referendum on the future of the Soviet Union was held on 17 March 1991 across the Soviet Union. It was the only national referendum in the history of the Soviet Union,[1] although it was boycotted by authorities in six of the fifteen Soviet republics.
The referendum asked whether to approve a new Union Treaty among the republics, to replace the 1922 treaty that created the USSR. The question put to most voters was:
Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any ethnicity will be fully guaranteed?
The referendum’s question was approved by nearly 80% of voters in all nine other republics that took part. However, the August coup attempt by hardliners of the Communist Party prevented the anticipated signing of the New Union Treaty that was due to take place the next day.
Although it failed, the coup attempt reduced confidence in Gorbachev’s central government. It was followed by a series of referendums for independence in individual republics and led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union on 26 December 1991.
Rule 1 please
OP isn’t even a mod of r/socialism
Huh 196 sure went to shit.
Yeah… it’s not even the liberalism that makes me very sad, it’s seeing how shallow and childish they are about politics. They can’t really get past some super basic thought terminating cliches and when you see someone push back on those, usually the only back-and-forth that happens is with someone who clearly is arguing from a position of having prepared ultraleftist or very liberal arguments that aren’t very substantial. E.g. the replies in this thread. Very just-so arguments. Russia is an empire because it just is. It’s authoritarian because it just is. That kind of thing.
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I thought it was run by the American communist party or whatever the fuck they call themselves? I’m not online enough to know who is running what on Reddit dot com
Nah, that’s r/AskSocialists
r/socialism is modded mostly by Trots but the sub is pretty non sectarian
“shelling the supreme council with tanks in order to force the dissolution of the existing constitution is bad” is such a tankie take smdh smdh
Communist group.
Look inside. See communists.
“These guys are a buncha tankies!”
