Uh… and what exactly are these americans doing about it…?
I feel majority of americans are in some sort of collective self destructive delusion. Thats the only way you can explain trump presidency - people didn’t vote for him, they voted for self harm because they’re sick.
Here in the UK, we were promised millions per week for the NHS, better jobs and “oven ready deals” to replace our relationship with the EU. Over 50% of people who voted fell for that bullshit. Some are upscaling to the further right Reform (UKs equivalent to MAGA). Telling bold lies will fool too many people, again and again. We cannot sit back. The motivated gobshites will vote us into oblivion.
Lol, what? No, we don’t say he’s gone too far. We say he’s a criminal who shouldn’t be in office in the first fucking place. Get the fuck out of here with your standard political opposition speak.
I legitimately cannot comprehend polls where people who voted for Trump in 2024 changed their minds.
Trump- “Hey I’m going to do all this terrible shit”
Voters- “I’m going to vote for Trump presumably because I like his platform”
Trump- *does exactly what he said he was going to do*
Voters- >:(
I recently overheard a conversation between two people complaining about how, after the election, their friends unfollowed anyone who followed Trump.
Their argument was “I only voted for one issue. It’s not like I have time to know everything.”
It was an aggravating interaction, but also a strong reminder of just how ignorant the average voter is.
I only voted for one issue.
Hm, I wonder what that was.
Regardless, it’s not like someone is going to spend four years on one issue.
IKR? These people wanted to pretend they were picked on, the poor dears, for espousing small government, personal responsibility, waging war on “socialized medicine”, trading wicked memes about “Going Galt” or how the nine most terrifying words in the English language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.
No, it’s always about them wanting to force people to host the worst versions of what a human being might say on their private platforms - spreading xenophobia, anti-gay, anti-trans, misogynist hate speech, or spreading outright lies about, oh, I don’t know, a pandemic.
Gosh, I wonder why what offends conservatives the most is when people want to disassociate from them for this last stuff? I mean, if it’s not a central plank of their movement and their platform?
They wrap it all up as freedom of speech, forgeting how fucking stupid they sound while desperately wishing the concept of hate-speech would go away except when they try to use it by saying that “cis” is a slur because these people have two malfunctioning braincells at best.
I think a lot of them heard what they wanted to hear. Certainly few wanted to read anything about Project 2025, even though it was a click away. Or voted with their “tribe” and know next to nothing about that tribe’s decades long platform, Taco’s specific agenda, Project 2025’s agenda, or the conservative “movement” that underlies all of it.
Or they were simply racist AF and thought all the undesirables were going to be whisked away as if by magic and without any kind of visible consequences like women shot and children gassed. Or they thought he “didn’t really mean it” but he’s a miracle-worker on the economy…
But that’s because Trump speaks in open ended words like - freedom, patriot, illegal. People create their own narrative for what those words mean, and apply it to Trump and then are surprised that their definition doesn’t match trumps… I mean they can’t know everything right? /s
Oh don’t worry, most of them who voted for him a third time are still cheering on the leopards with glee as all the smart-ass minorities and democrat-run areas get what’s coming to 'em!
I went and looked at the profile of a real life trumper who is no longer a friend, on a social media site that I also mostly avoid, and they are openly supporting ICE.
Their justification is literally “imagine if you or your loved one was killed by an illegal” after listing a random list of names of people who were supposedly killed by “ILLEGALS.” But it’s a 3-paragraph post written by somebody who seems to think they are very clever for coming up with a weak metaphor for “imagine if somebody got some shit instead of you” so it’s probably just a copypasta from some grifter they follow.
There was also a manual out. You didn’t even need to listen to him, you just had to read…
That’s the thing. They aren’t so good at the whole reading thing.
Apparently a lot of people in the US don’t think mocking a disabled person to be “too far”. Or raping children.
Fucking morons.
The US has a cancerous culture of selfish, self-centered narcissism and blind, feudal loyalty to money and those with money. No amount of monstrousness tugs the heartstrings until it impacts them personally. Slowly, those same selfish, evil, self-centered scum are realizing that the suffering they wanted to inflict on others impacts them. They will gain no self-awareness from this and learn nothing, continuing to metastasize even even after Trumpsolini is finally dead and rotting in the ground.
Hyperbole aside…the fascists have already taken strong steps to suppress, disqualify and gerrymander away Democratic votes to extend the large advantages they already had.
Before Trump Dems needed to be +3 to win, when he was elected they needed +5…just to overcome Republican cheating. We’re looking at as much as a 10% margin required going forward.
42%, if that’s even a real numberr, coupd more than enough to secure a victory. This isn’t even accounting for the fact that Trump and his cult will just change the numbers if they lose.
He has virtually no support from Democrats while 9 in 10 Republicans back Trump.
Nothing has changed. The fascists still like fascism, they just wish eggs were a little cheaper.
I don’t want to live in the same country with these people.
Seriously, like, even once this is all said and done, I don’t want to be lumped in with them. They’ve shown their true colors and they really clash with mine.
I’m happy I don’t.
Except there are fewer people identifying as Republican than ever before so that statistic doesn’t mean all that much. When people go from approving to disapproving of Trump they just leave the GOP because it’s a cult that is extremely hostile to dissent, so the ratio of Republicans who approve of him stays high while his popularity with the general public continues to go down.
Yep. Expect a whole lot of Sudden Independents. Or people claiming they belong to a non-existent party like
the teabaggers, oops, I mean the “Tea Party”.Both of which will likely wait on the sidelines for a bit, too embarrassed to admit they are conservatives, and not principled enough to be liberal, but will likely continue to secretly vote Republican, if they vote at all. They just might not broadcast it so much.
The biggest indicator that a conservative is operating in this mode - when they talk about “both sides” and wave in the direction of something David Brooks recently said or wrote…
It’s evangelicalism all over again. Having destroyed any plausible deniability that people are good despite, not because of, Christianity, their new goal is proving that every negative thing a socialist has ever had to say about American politics is, in fact, true.
Hes just plain stupidly evil. Even without comparing him to sunnier folks and times, he represents thr dregs of humanity
Meanwhile, project 2025 is ongoing. They’ll discard him once they’re done having him absorb all the outrage and providing plenty of distraction.
How any U.S. military officer (not the Nazi ice assfucks) could look and think taking a military order for him is in the best interest of their country is a good idea is beyond me.
The guy says whatever comes out of his mind and changes it minutely after who ever he’s talked to.
I guess distraction from his life as a snuff film producer is high on the list right now.
The US military is made up of people who saw Abu Ghraib and said “Sign me up.”
I made a similar comment about the Venezuelan boats being such a surprising amount of thoughtlessness to an enlistee. He responded that it was an easy political win because nothing had been done before. Finally it looks like a president standing strong, was the meaning I took. I still struggle to connect the dots.
His first term was a failure, I don’t even know how to describe his second so far.
The definition of success depends on what the goal was. If the goal was to establish a fascist dictatorship, wreck the economy, and make people afraid, he is a success
It’s a success. If you go by all the stuff he said he’d do during his campaign and the stuff he’s gotten done so far, well, then he’s actually pretty successful. And look how far he’s gotten in just one year. Fucker is basically immune to the law.
You would have to have done some serious pretzel logic to believe Trump is delivering what he said.
End Ukraine War day one? Absolutely not.
End war in Gaza? Isreal is still regularly blowing up people in their one-sided cease fire.
Close the border? This racist dog whistle worked I suppose. Less illegal border crossings. I am personally surprised anyone would want to come to the US right now so it is a mixed bag.
Make the largest deportation event ever? Honestly Biden and Obama are going to be hard to beat especially now that no one wants to come here.
End birthright citizenship? This is straight out of white supremacist’s playbooks. He has not accomplished this yet thank goodness.
Impose tariffs to improve economy? He has certainly imposed and withdrawn and then reimposed and then re-withdrawn a lot of tariffs. This has made him and his cronies very rich but it has generally hurt everyone else. I think in the next year we will begin to see how devastating they have been to the economy.
End inflation and lower prices? Absolutely stupid promise that no administration could hope to make happen. It is simply out of their power so it was stupid to even say this and it has not been fulfilled.
Make government more efficient? This has been one of the worst failures of any administration in history. This administration fundamentally misunderstanding of the agencies they slashed shows a profound lack of judgement. They are beyond inept and probably criminally negligent.
Ban transgender people in Sports? Considering it was never actually a problem it is hard to say you can be successful in solving an imaginary thought exercise. Having said that the conservative have spent a huge amount of time passing laws around this subject instead of governing real and important issues.
Eliminate the Education Department? This is one of those promises that should have never been made. The federal government is required by law to provide services for children with disabilities amongst many other critical programs. While this administration has been successful in greatly disrupting it, without having any alternative plan, they have not and cannot be successful because of numerous laws. This is once again tantamount to criminal negligence.
Cover IVF? Weird promise, has not been delivered but could in the future.
Pardon Jan 6 rioters? Stunning success except for the fact many have been locked up for additional crimes. That one pardon has now literally lead to thousands of crimes that this administration is now culpable for. Bizarre decision to subvert US law.
End DEI? While the administration can’t stop the spirit of DEI since it is American in value, they have certainly made any mention punishable by firing thus violating everyone’s right to free speech. Truly a bizarre move because if the government can just randomly decide DEI bad why not anything else without justification. Promise kept though to best of their intolerant little hearts.
I can’t see success here, but they have kind of accomplished some things. They are so spiteful and incompetent I will be surprised if it can last. Their legal counsel is inept, their leaders are barely functional, and their agenda is anti-human. Not really a winning combination.
Unless you are benefitting from the pump and dump schemes this administration seems to love so much I don’t think there is anything to like. Even their extremists are turning on them. They got a limited lifespan unless they can pull off something they seem incapable of.
I cannot imagine being such a dimwit as to be one of the people just now waking up to this.
I mean…did these people really not see his first term? Did they really think that the only reason he failed in his first term was because of Covid?
"What do you mean? Covid happened under Biden, as did anything else bad that happened during Trump’s presidency. "
Unironically have had to walk people through the timeline because they seriously believe covid entirely happened during Biden’s term.
And for those that think you’re joking. The showdy is often relevant.
I forgot about the O’Reily clip. Impressive levels of cognitive dissonance that people go through to justify their feelings on events. I’m still baffled that people can misremember basic timelines facts involved with one of the biggest disruptions of people’s lifetimes that only had happened a few years ago. Realizing how fictional people’s memories were about even recent major events made it a lot more understandable how people were so easily manipulated in to thinking a billionaire conartist was somehow going to try to help them this time.
No wonder the same bunch think Biden had “the worst economy”, LOL. Cannot even recall basic recent history.
No no no!!! Covid happened under tan suit Obama. /s
The majority of my coworkers have casually stated the last week, “I don’t agree with the way this is all happening.”, but still overall support the agenda and hold their line. It’s a combination of ignorance and stupidity. They’re just fascists without even knowing. I live in a deep red area and from what I can gather when I hear talk out in the street, most people are either completely unaware or excited “they’re taking America back.” There is no convincing these people. I have tried for years and years, and when they seem to hear you and begin to digest what you’ve said, they come back the next day more sure than before that Facebook and Fox keep them informed. Many of them can’t tell you what the three branches of government are or how many Senators there are or provide correct answers on the simplest of civics questions.
It’s truly incomprehensible to most blue/libs that magas and conservatives are genuinely and permanently deranged cultists
They really believe it’s possible to use words and logic to convince them of things, hence the poster being confused why they aren’t convinced of anything
Because our elected officials refuse to talk like this and many constantly stress how bipartisan they try to be with everything. Saying “about 35% of this country are raving psychopaths who can not be compromised with and must be disempowered” is not an easy feel good campaign message but it’s what people need to hear.
Anyone who says “reach across the isle” in the primary is an automatic no. These people are not interested in governing. They are openly hostile.
We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear’s work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutrals. We come as enemies. As the wolf bursts into the flock, so we come.
^ Maybe we should prevent this sort of thing, no?
Yeah it’s incredibly dangerous to simply ignore or pretend that these are rational people to negotiate with
They certainly aren’t negotiating with us so I’m not sure when these compromise is king types will realize this is a kill or be killed situation
A majority of Americans polled in the survey – 58% – characterized Trump’s first year of his second term as a “failure,” according to the poll.
Just 42% of respondents said Trump’s second term has been a success.
Imagine how dim the 42% must be.
From my experience living in the US, I would say “dim” is an incorrect characterization. Supportive of corruption, crime and dishonesty is IMO a much more accurate characterization.
The 42% are locked on Fox News.
21% of American adults are functionally illiterate. I wonder if that 42% has all of the 21%?
The majority of Americans have significant, legitimate material and social grievances that cause them real duress. Most are surrounded by a curated low-information media environment and society that reinforces punching down, zero sum in-out group thought, scapegoating, etc. And the only official political choice they’re ever allowed is between two preselected corporate stooges.
I think we’re the dimwits if we’re confused as to why Trump has so much inertia.
I would disagree (not from the US, but I have lived there, travelled extensively and have American friends who I speak to pretty regularly).
The “low information” environment is a choice (especially nowadays). Scapegoating is a choice. A two party state is a choice. Even the unaddressed material and social grievances is a choice. US is rich enough to solve all these issues with no problem at all.
The real issue is that a significant portion of Americans support corruption, crime and believe lying is good. While at the same time parroting tedious polemics about “freedumz and shiiit”.
And on top of that the majority of the voter base of the centre-right opposition is fundemantely opposed to anti-corruption, anti-crime and governance (in terms of real outcomes, not words). Most of them are simply too well off to risk rocking the boat (until it’s too late).
While this is a gross generalisation, there is a reason why the following stereotype is applied to Americans:
There are no poor people in the US, just soon-to-be billionaires
The majority of Americans have significant, legitimate material and social grievances that cause them real duress.
And yet, most of the grievances that Trump bleats about are neither significant nor legitimate. “THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS AND CATS!!!”
Quit pretending those fools are reasonable and have anything behind their hatred besides stupidity.
And the only official political choice they’re ever allowed is between two preselected corporate stooges.
Go on, say that both sides are the same.
At some point over the years these rage-blind takes stop being cathartic and start becoming an apologetic distraction from the institutions that prefigure our social issues in the first place.
zero sum in-out group thought
Curious what you mean by zero sum in this context.
The conservative fallacy that the sum of all positives and negatives in the world is always zero, therefore good cannot be had by all and must always be had at someone else’s expense.
The old “I don’t really win unless someone else loses.”
Thanks.
The people who support Trump after even 2018 are literally so cognitively disabled, I would genuinely submit for consideration that those people are as true to NPCs as possible.
Your average cockroach is more capable of self reflection and complex critical thinking than your average Trump supporter.
Bacertia is a better candidate for holding its own personal, and expansive personal thoughts than a Trump supporter.
ChatGPT is more capable of hallucinating genuine human empathy and emotional intelligence than a Trump supporter.
Cosmic background radiation is more grounded to Earth than a Trump supporter.
These people are simply stupid beyond repair and shouldn’t be respected as equals in any capacity.
i wonder if you are aware that you are brainwashing yourself. it’s okay to cope, we all have to do it these days, but its best kept to yourself where it causes less secondary harm.
One thing worth considering, is that on a global/historical basis it is not unheard of for whole societies (strong majority if not overwhelming majority) to descend into degeneracy, chauvinism and corruption.
In a sense, this is not something specific to the US. These things unfortunately happen.
I see where you are coming from, but I think it’s dangerous to give too much benefit of the doubt and to look at things as we want them to be, not how they are.
The only people brainwashing themselves are those so fucking stupid they think people who’ve gleefully supported Nazism for over 10 years now don’t explicitly and knowingly support autocracy and genocide.
Maybe stop coping and pretending these assholes can be redeemed in any way and aren anything but a hostile enemy that’d see you and everyone like you die, and are currently making big strides to seeing that through.
The left loses when we constantly shoot our own balls off and attempt empathy and understanding to these sadistic sociopaths who’ve only ever demonstrated doubling down in that direction.
So get with reality or sit down and shut the fuck up, because people like you hold all real progress back. Stop cucking yourself to Nazis.
Im in Canada and have friends who believed his second term would be mostly as feckless as his first.
They didn’t understand how project 2025 meant he was going to be coming out of the gate with someone else’s agenda with all of the key players, including scotus in his back pocket. It all lined up to mean shit was going to go down fast and hard.
Look where we are one year in. 3 more years to subvert or nullify the next election.
These voters have 4 year memory capacity, at best.
The US was showing signs of a recession Sept 2019, 6 months before COVID really shut things down. Things weren’t going to be great for us, covid or no covid.
Dear anyone who voted for Trump: we fucking told you so.
Does anyone really think the US isn’t a one-parfy authoritarian state at this point?
Don’t count on an election.
I’m baffled that some people still seem to presume this will end with the next election
