Enrolled in a class on Chinese politics and the first lecture was so unbelievably chock-full of lib talking points. Some that I can recall:
- calling China a “closed autocracy” and “authoritarian”
- mentioned that when surveyed, Chinese people rate the level of democracy in their country higher than Americans do for theirs, but with the caveat that they could be under “censorship”
- showed the “democracy map” that’s just this
and of course China is lowly rated on the democracy scale - showed this chart that was literally like “Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler!!!”
There was also language about how the Core Socialist Values get “hammered” into people’s heads in China, which definitely doesn’t happen in the free West 
Might be a long semester if I stay in this course 
Edit: class has been dropped 
mentioned that when surveyed, Chinese people rate the level of democracy in their country higher than Americans do for theirs, but with the caveat that they could be under “censorship”
The Parenti quote about an “unfalsifiable orthodoxy” is arguably being too charitable for this. In the scenarios outlined by Parenti, the western chauvinists took empirical facts and then find some mangled logic to make those facts an indictment on their enemies. In this scenario, the facts are simply discarded out of hand for being too inconvenient. Western polling shows just the same type of sentiment among PRC citizens! Does the CPC censorship extend to polls conducted by fucking Harvard? Are they under the thumb of Big Xi?
I’ve seen the chart you mean and it’s honestly just embarrassing to imagine someone teaching a college course sharing what is literally a single rung higher than PragerU shit. It vastly downplays the people killed under Hitler while using fanciful nonsense to tar Mao. Like, there’s uncritically regurgitating disgusting propagandists like Conquest, and then there’s putting up low-effort, trash-tier slopaganda like it’s useful for educating college students.
The Harvard one was even more than a single poll or polls, it was a long-term study of public opinion. I think it’s about as rigorous as this kind of survey data could be. This kind of cope is all I’ve ever seen from liberals to refute it.
The infographic is absolutely just nazi genocide denial. This professor is functionally a fascist.
It wasn’t the last straw but I dropped out of school shortly after my comparative politics professor handed out full page color prints of Winnie the Pooh to every student the day we were supposed to discuss China. I figured I wouldn’t be learning anything in that program.
Fucking hell
Is this professor the same professor from all quiet on the western front?
calling China a “closed autocracy” and “authoritarian”
All I need to hear that know that your professor is politically illiterate
but with the caveat that they could be under “censorship”
The professor could be under CIA death threats to say this. After all, there’s just as much evidence to support my caveat and I don’t like the CIA, so we just have to assume that I’m right.
I frequently travel to China, I have friends there and I speak mandarin. By this metric alone I know more about China than this soft genocide-denying nazi apologist professor ever will.
Now hold on there, this professor could have traveled to China and speak mandarin. He could be a failed sexpat mad at the QOL improvements in China because it means Chinese women are less desperate and he couldn’t find a target to abuse as a result.
Yeah it’s impressive he finds time to “teach” in between eating out with his sexpat buddies to discuss how China “should” be governed in the most patronizing tone possible. So many of these guys marry a Chinese person, move back to the US, and then spend the rest of their lives demanding constant praise for having personally ended racism while ignoring the racist bullying their children face at school because their children are worth more to them as a vanity project than as human beings.
At my airline I stack my schedule a lot with the China routes so I get to see these guys in action all the time. Most memorable moment was when one of them went up to the gate agent in Beijing, unprompted from what I could tell, to lecture them about how it’s possible for whites and asians to have kids and complain about the “narrow-mindedness of the Chinese”. Did basically the same thing to a flight attendant after boarding. I got to be the one to tell him he could either shut the fuck up or find another way home.
showed this chart that was literally like “Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler!!!”
Nazi class, lmao.
Did some digging on that figure, and it gets worse lol. Here’s the chart for context
Seems to have been originally posted on
. I checked the given source for the chart and it’s an article on the 10 dictators who killed the most people on a top 10s website that hasn’t been updated in 10 years. The article itself has a lot of gems too. It ends withThe moral of the story is: Let’s stop allowing evil political dictators to take office. And if we do have someone bad in office we can find better ways to get them out than murdering them, wars, and aggressive confrontations.
Like c’mon
Adolf Hitler
17 million
It’s bordering on Holocaust denial, but of course it’s still taught in schools at all levels in Amerikkka.
TBH I wouldn’t even say bordering. The only way this isn’t Holocaust denial is if it’s WW2 denial.
Mao is responsible for every death that ever happened in China while he was in charge, and let’s add a few dozen million for fun!
Hitler though isn’t even responsible for every death in a war that he started, nor every death that the military under his orders caused; hell, let’s give a bunch of those to Stalin.
Tojo also sneaking away there ignoring the vast majority of deaths he caused for some reason. Sure says a lot about who the chart maker considers people.
I can’t believe Mao invented famines in China, which had never existed before 1949. Truly China must return to the glorious days of the dynastic system where the people never starved and lived happily and carefree.
No wonder children can’t learn to read when this is the level of professor training our teachers
Ah yes, Stalin was the very famous leader of the uh… Sovjet Union yes yes
“Hey professor don’t you think making an explicit point to tie communist ideology which opposes fascism and the supporters of which were actually the first victims of fascism with “being worse than fascism” might be, i dunno, an attempt to rehabilitate the images of nazis and fascism?”
Looking at the image they literally took people killed by the nazis and counted them as killed by Stalin, so it’s actually even worse than that.
“The people who liberated Auschwitz were worse than the people who built Auschwitz. I am a very serious and intelligent expert”
showed this chart that was literally like “Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler!!!”
Which people, teacher?
Which fucking people did they kill?
Explains why you shouldnt listen to someone with a political science degree
I advise you to drop this course
+1 I beg you to drop this course. I thought about taking a “politics” course until I took a Japanese anime course that discussed Japanese war crimes and economic shock during the 90s. Anime course was far more materialist than poli sci.
Dude I am taking a “europe after 1919” course taught but the libbest lib. Todays lecture was about how communism and fascism are basically the same and fascism came about because of communism and also fascism is right wing politics with leftwing characteristics. None of it makes any sense.
fascism came about because of communism
Technically yes, since fascism is just capital’s immune response to communist movements. Hence why every anti-communist and anti-“tankie” space is just inevitably an environment where Nazi shit thrives.
Fascism is basically a cancerous outgrowth of the old socialist movement.
Lassalle, Bernstein and co push for reforms within capitalism instead of revolution, the demand to abolish the present state of things is sidelined or even got rid of, and claas collaborationism becomes seen as desirable.
If you only ally with the bourgeoisie, you can get “a healthy mix” where you get the best of capitalism and the best of socialism!
During WW1 some realized, who cares about that reform stuff! What unites “us” is our glorious nation! It’s definitely more important than social reform (some say it’s even harmful to our interests!)
At all steps of the way, the most important thing is that you prevent communists from getting influential. They’re harmful to the success of the program after all, and they scare off the bourgeois.
How much violence you use is up to you!
I mean yes and I know this but he framed it as fascism came about because the communists were fucking everything up for everyone and rioting and the fascist stood up to them. Yk maybe he isn’t a liberal actually.
fascism came about because the communists were fucking everything up for everyone and rioting and the fascist stood up to them.
Yeah no that’s just straight up 100% unadulterated classic original Nazi propaganda. No exaggeration. Almost word-for-word something that would get published in Der Sturmer. Prof is a fucking Nazi. Only real question is whether he’s lying about it to himself as well or just to everyone else
Anyway I’m sure the communists were just rioting for the sake of rioting and fucking things up. It’s nothing more than that please don’t look into it.
Yk maybe he isn’t a liberal actually.
lol yeah that was what I was trying to say basically. You got a fash prof.
yeah, but communism is just humanity’s immune response to capitalism, so fascism-lite came first.
fascism came about because of communism
This part is true, it is capitalism’s reactionary answer to try and destroy communist movements. Though I’m guessing this is less of a “capitalists are so scared of communism that they’ll empower the worst people in the world in order to protect their hoarding of wealth” and more “Communism and Fascism are peas in a pod, a yin and yang, both equally horrible and equally responsible for each other. (But communism still worse though.)”
None of it makes any sense.
Yeah, Nazi apologia tends not to
This was my college’s mandatory poli sci course alongside political compasses and horseshoe theory. Americans are not the brightest
In undergrad I took a course on the USSR and simply didn’t attend the lectures I knew would be cringe covering the 30s. The rest of it was really good, no lib stuff. The prof even said the CIA was on the ground during the hungarian revolution. The tests were all essay questions and my passive knowledge as a communist was enough to get an A+ lol
China as an AES state will never get this treatment in the west sadly
China as an AES state will never get this treatment in the west sadly
it will once we complete the revolution tho
Unironically not too different to some classes I’ve had in China (okay that is an exaggeration but profs are libs here too—I guess it being an English language curriculum doesn’t help)
If your Chinese professors are telling you Stalin was worse than Hitler then the Chinese youth are going to have to get way less ironic about the “second cultural revolution” memes.
Thankfully they don’t do nazi crimes denialism, they often just repeat liberal arguments about central planning being bad due to lack of incentives and whatnot and this being why the USSR collapsed and that China’s “state capitalism” is why it survived (that last part is kind of true I guess? but also so wrong at the same time!). I am learning some interesting things though, I’m still having an overall positive experience, but the liberalism does get annoying sometimes.
To be fair, they’re not sending their best to teach the laowai courses.
That’s true, and plus I’m in Shanghai so liberalism is to be expected
Shanghai so liberalism is to be expected
I will never forgive them for turning the site of the founding of the CPC into a luxury mall
But Shanghai’s a great city in so many ways regardless, enjoy!
China is an authoritarian regime that crushes dissent, I say in china working at a university where I’m allowed to say china is an authoritarian regime that crushes dissent.
China has soft lines on what you can get away with. Criticism in private is basically always ok, because who cares even if the state could find out. Criticism of the state to foreign kids is similar because why would China really care what they think, and who’d report it anyway?
On the other hand, Chinese people saying certain things in public to other Chinese people could get them a visit from the cops, it happens. Saying dissent is “crushed” is probably a bit dramatic outside of extreme cases, more it’s sternly discouraged but only when it’s deemed to matter.
Shanghai mind virus
At least there are still some based people in the city; the other day I met an old Party member who upon learning that a PCF member (cringe I know, but there isn’t anything better) shook my hand and said that France and China should unite to take down the US empire lol
Man that city has changed so much since the 90s and even the 00s. I can vividly recall the increase of the frequency of overheard brainworms as the decades passed by
when surveyed, Chinese people rate the level of democracy in their country higher than Americans do for theirs, but with the caveat that they could be under “censorship”
Unfalsifiable orthodoxy
And they say we are the ones who are “brainwashed”
Kind of funny, but mostly just sad, how these sorts of “education” systems literally just give the same amount of information as your average movie or tv show or news broadcast in the west, literally no information that people wouldn’t already know growing up in the west, but they get a fancy degree at the end so while they are just as braindead as the average westerner when it comes to China, they will point to their degree in racist ignorance and declare themselves an expert.
Political science students have always been some of the dumbest, smuggest POS I’ve ever met. Even worse than economics students a lot of the time.
Polisci degrees are earned by demonstrating unwavering loyalty to liberal pseudoscience and pseudohistory narratives
Why pay for that?
“Yes but it is important to remember the humanitarian cost of all the progress made under Stalin and Mao. All the suffering and exploitation people endured.”
Humanitarian cost of “progress” made Uber capitalism? Don’t worry about it, these people should just have used their bootstraps or whatever, you can’t blame the system for them.
