thinks tankies have an agenda
Yes? Communism. It’s communism. My agenda is communism.
Congratulations genius.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
American liberals are the most propagandised (and gullible) people on the planet.
We don’t hide that we want communism, we describe ourselves as such by our very label!
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
This is like my lib friend who genuinely believes Europe is turning away from America.
I believe that is happening too but it will take many many years to implement and things can change during that time.
I think Europeans are too smug and racist to ever turn away from Amerikkka. They’re so tightly integrated, both economically and militarily. It would only happen if America were to collapse.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
They’ll cry all day about how tankies are evil meanies for “denying the Holodomor” or what have you, but then openly deny the actual, horrific genocide of Native Americans like this as if they can’t just pick up a fucking history book. These libs can go fuck themselves
“Sorry sweaty but we just had to fund Pol Pot and help members of the SS get government jobs in Chile because it’s what was best. You’re the real authoritarians for overthrowing the Khmer Rouge and having your children murdered in Pinochet’s orphanages by actual, literal nazis.”
From one of their friends:
Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus
I hate these people so much. Yeah, clearly we had noble aristocrats corrupted by the masses, that’s the problem. What was that about authoritarianism?
Later on they gloss over Andrew Jackson while still trying to say well if they did 1 good thing that outways all the red/blood/genocide
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off.
“it would animal farm” is one of the best things I’ve ever seen a liberal say lmao
Tankies stop at the child grinder is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them. Us liberals want to limit the child grinding to 1 child per day and put a minimum age requirement, and oil it better so it can grind the child quicker. Tearing down the child grinder is authoritarian.
Yeah, the child grinder isn’t great. But the child grinder operator class says we need ground up children for society to function. I think what we really need is reforms that allow more children to become child grinder operators themselves.
The child grinder provides a lot of good jobs. How else are those people supposed to feed their families?
Your 401k depends on profits from the child grinder. Don’t you care about your elderly parents
I have been very clear about eating the rich.
animal farm (verb.)
These are the ‘very serious adults’, the people who possess the same level of political literacy as a mound of gravel.
This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing
W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia
Liberals can’t forgive Trump for removing the pretense, because that was the only thing sustaining their delusion that America is good.
Real “attacking the person who your spouse cheated on you with” energy
lol libs can fuck off. Bush and Blair never being convicted of war crimes is proof enough that international law doesn’t mean anything
Or Reagan and Bush Sr. Hell even Nixon for Vietnam and all the south east Asia bombings
Literally all of them since that court was invented
Unrelated, but seeing it laid out like that in the original post really puts into perspective that it’s actually been a whole ass decade of this Trump shit. jfc
Even more, it really started with the anti-SJW stuff in gaming spaces circa 2014
Before that war on terror and evangelicals, before that anti-political correctness and desert storm. It has always been something.
We need a new emoji to signify the elderly. I don’t wanna use the chomsky one anymore.
Lol, that’s appropriate in this case, but I don’t really think it captures how old the youth of hexbear make me feel.
I think it was the 2012 Republican convention Trump was on the debate stage but he got gooned on by the neocons? IIRC that’s where his beef with John McCain started. Or maybe it was 2008?
My life is a blur.
That was just misguided
They truly believed (from their perspective) what they were doing was right
They can’t admit that Andrew Jackson was bad. Idk if not reading covers it
Animal Farm
Animal Farm is a work of fiction, God damn it. You can tell because it is located in the same section of the library as Moby Dick and The Hobbit.
Moby Dick is actually a whaling manual hidden within an adventure story. There’s a bunch of how-to stuff that was used by whalers as a reference. It’s part of why it was written. It’s also why it’s incredibly tedious to read for modern audiences. We don’t want to read 20 pages of whale biology describing the location of each of their organs or 50 pages of how to process the blubber into oil.
Animal Farm doesn’t even teach you how to farm, making it completely fictional. Moby Dick has sections longer than all of Animal Farm and 1984 combined talking about random whale shit like describing actual whale shit and the best knots to use while running rope through it.
Don’t forget the multi-page philosophical defense of the “whale is a fish” school of thought.
You don’t need multiple pages for that you just need cladistics. Whales are tetrapods, and tetrapods are lobe finned fishes.
We don’t want to read 20 pages of whale biology describing the location of each of their organs or 50 pages of how to process the blubber into oil.
[furiously taking notes in notebook] “get… all… my… politics… from… Moby… Dick…”
You could do worse
Animal farm, for instance
you should also quote the ompa lompa songs at people as if they were profound truths
lmfao glazing GWB and Reagan. Liberals are really nostalgic for historical fascists they used to mock in the same way they currently do trump.
Liberals in 2050: “President Fuentes is an authoritarian the likes we’ve never seen before. I miss the moderate, civil Republicans like Donald Trump back in the day. He really wanted what’s best for America!”
CW:SA
He was just misguided, say what you will about the guy but he was working hard to mend the relationship between Israel and the US when he raped those children at Epstein’s island. (Or whatever narrative US media has concocted to whitewash this whole thing by then)
Holy shit read a fucking book loser
It’s the one who got lw to do the rule saying flat earthers should be treated the same as scientists. They probably would end up reading pragerU type stuff (cause idk how else could think Reagan did good)
It’s the one who got lw to do the rule saying flat earthers should be treated the same as scientists.
Hold up lol what?!
https://lemmy.world/post/24135976?scrollToComments=true
Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.
Then used the example “you should allow flat earthers to hold weight or you’re just doing a echo chamber”
We’re aware that this policy is going to be subjective. It won’t be popular in all instances. We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so. One sentence that doesn’t jive with the overall narrative should be easily countered or ignored.
Best was was they walked it back but never clarified
There will be a new announcement soon to clarify.
Edit. Oh right forgot it was one way they were trying to use these rules to counter ml and pro Palestinian content/comments
https://lemmy.world/post/24135976/14436261?sort=Controversial
The purpose is to allow pinholes through echo chambers with the idea that the odd antivax comment is easier to deal with than the odd “Russia is waging a war of aggression” comment in a pro-Russia community.
One of those stances requires a black box with other ideas kept out or it collapses. That has recently been done with heavy, heavy moderation banning large numbers of people. That’s the kind of moderation we’re looking to rein in.
I’ve focused on the most controversial examples, because to some people (if they’re acting genuinely), that’s what it might look like to them. If you want a flat earth community, that’s fine, as long as you allow people to call it out as a joke once in a while.
The purpose is to encourage discussion where it’s most needed, usually where moderators are preventing it.
Dasus If you want a flat earth community, that’s fine, as long as you allow people to call it out as a joke once in a while. That would be fine, because Flat Earth is a joke and that’s true. It would also be fine to mod it out if they want to have a community of loonies. But you’re saying you will forcefully make sure that astronomy communities accept flat Earth, medical communities accept antivaxxing and drinking bleach for covid? Have a think about this again ffs. And do it after you’ve come down from whatever you’ve been smoking.2nd edit, I regret looking more at their account again. So much being angrier at people dissatisfied with dnc and daring to criticize it than what is actually happening, then so much Israeli talking points when people bring up Israeli war crimes 🤮
Absolute nerd shit. Imagine making this your hobby
Hobby, right.
Idk which one would be preferable at this point (for that account/lw in general)
The marketplace of ideas framework has done so much damage to society. If an idea is by all ability to determine illegitimate (e.g. flat earth), you still need to have ways to challenge that ruling just as a procedural issue for scientific inquiry, but you do not need to let people repeating the same bullshit arguments do so at all, and in fact it is basically just as important to stamp them out of your spaces.
Lmao skip reading a book and throw them in a re-education school to re-teach them k-12 with extra critical thinking
Immean gonna be even more necessary with all the cuts to education funding AND requirements. who needs accreditation, it must be bad since it won’t let our non school homeschooling or Christian private schools count as education
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn’t true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn’t true.
the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn’t include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You’re saying that system worked relatively well? I’m saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
I could have a prosperous working class too if I decided that my money was the world reserve currency because everyone else died in WW2 and proceed to loot other countries. But the prosperity that was enjoyed by others would, and was, only because there was a big strong union fighting and bleeding for the advocacy of the working class.
the system here worked relatively well after the second world war
huh… I wonder why that is?
I think Laos is the most bombed place ever, at least in terms of density of bombardment, but that was also the US.
Also don’t forget that they are including 20 years of Jim Crow and a bunch of other shit as the system working well.
Could have sworn that figure was NK, but I didn’t look it up before posting. I had to include Vietnam because of the barbarism which is geographically and chronologically close to the same conflict to my understanding. It only serves to highlight the horrible horrible way the US acted.
And absolutely, I am absolutely not thrilled about the apartheid state. Please excuse my focus on the conduct of the US towards the outside world. Shout out to the Tuskegee experiment.
To be clear, I was just pointing out yet another way what the other poster said was fucked up, not trying to tut-tut you. I’m sure everyone here knows that stuff.
And the DPRK might have been the most bombs overall, Laos is just the most relative to square mileage of land.
iirc Laos was the most bombed per capita
“The system worked well after the second world war”
Bold pro-segregation stance
if there was anything positive that came from slavery you can’t say it was only bad!
echo chambers are bad and we need to prevent them on lemmy.world
Weird how both of those are from the same high level person in lemmy world leadership 🤔
It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off.
“Nothing can ever get better so it’s best to not even try”
Tankies: hold no power while bearing the burden of being right about everything
Liberals: is this the tankie agenda?
Tankies: hold no power
The country that was built on slavery and exploitation wasn’t bad until Trump, we promise! America is just an innocent little guy! They tooootally didn’t mean all those horrible war crimes, that was just an oopsie! Please ignore all the stuff that’s come out about all the weird social control we experimented with during MKUltra! Please ignore all the times the ruling class has been caught gloating about what they do! Please ignore a the warnings academics gave about this very thing happening! Please be nice to smol bean US!
I’m starting to think these people constantly talking about revolution might have some kind of political goal in mind…
how dare they have plans for when voting isn’t enough
not the current offensive by Russia against the world.
But have you considered RUSSIA!! All day I think about Russia. Is there a cloud in the sky? It was put there by Russia.
God these people are tiring.
