The cooperation agreement sheds more light on Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s ties to the Kremlin ahead of Sunday’s general election.
  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    78·
    2 days ago

    Orban is absolutely out of his mind insane. And I really really hope the Hungarian population realize that on Sunday.
    I think if Orban wins,we need to figure out a way to throw out Hungary from EU. We cannot tolerate EU being hijacked by Russia.

    • trollercoaster@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

      He isn’t insane, he is just very greedy. Putin pays him, and meanwhile he is blackmailing the EU to continue funding shit in Hungary so he can steal the money.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        2 days ago

        No he is not blackmailing EU to support Hungary more, EU has actually halted a lot of aid that Hungary should have had, but they have defaulted on by not following EU regulation.

    • Talaraine@fedia.io
      10·
      2 days ago

      This is the only answer. But you can bet Putin will help Orban try and rig those elections.

      • HonytawkEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        We can never be sure the EU isn’t being hijacked.

        But we are sure Russia is trying their best to hijack us like the imperialist scum they are. So we are definitely going to hate on them. And anyone with ties to them can fuck off as well.

        • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
          2·
          1 day ago

          The history of China has shown that it was best to balance USSR and USA. Without Russia and China we are forced to be on the side of the US.

        • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
          15·
          2 days ago

          Which insanity do you mean?

          That it happened? That we don’t remember it? That we don’t analyse our situation? That I have mentioned it? Something else?

            • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
              19·
              2 days ago

              It means that the story is more complex. If we cared about foreign influence we would know to which extend there still is American influence. Without asking that question we can’t judge if Orban’s relation to Russia is out of the ordinary.

              We also don’t know if our judgement of Russia is rooted in manipulation. America has a motive to split us from Russia.

              But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

              • CyberEggEnglish
                4·
                2 days ago

                Fuck off, tankie. You know damn well that this community does not like american influence the same way it does not like russian influence. So take your dumb whataboutism and get out.

                • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                  17·
                  2 days ago

                  Then think it through. People hate Russia so much that they don’t recognize how they are manipulated. Please, give it a thought.

              • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
                3·
                2 days ago

                Still citing the book you haven’t read? Tell us again, what comes before the one sentence you always carefully select?

                We also don’t know if our judgement of Russia is rooted in manipulation.

                Well, at least my judgement of Russia is rooted in their own actions, atrocities and crimes they do since 4+ years in Ukraine. It is you trying to manipulate to whitewash them from it.

                • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                  1·
                  1 day ago

                  The full quote:

                  The ultimate objective of American policy should be benign and visionary: to shape a truly cooperative global community, in keeping with long-range trends and with the fundamental interests of humankind. But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.

                  “should be benign and visionary” is cruel cynicism when you remember what happened under his watch and afterwards.

                  rooted in their own actions, atrocities and crimes they do since 4+ years in Ukraine

                  Without the NGO investments, the takeover of the intelligence service and the extend of civilian casualities in other wars you see 4 years of Russian war crimes. You miss what is actually happening.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            1 day ago

            That what happened? That USA wanted cooperation back then? That’s a heck of a lot better than what they do today.

            • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
              11·
              1 day ago

              De Gaulle’s judgement was:

              He saw West Germany (and the other member states of the European Economic Community) as vassalized by Washington.

              It could be that it has been like today since the beginning of the EU. It was just never obvious. However statesmen like de Gaulle knew it.

              • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                1 day ago

                France owed their freedom from the Nazis to USA and allies as much as the rest of Europe did. It is not a bad thing to have friends.
                And yes Western Europe and USA have been very good friends for decades, that does nor mean European countries were vassals of USA.
                But USA was by far the bigger economy, so they had and still have a lot of power, just like Germany was by far the biggest economy in the EEC, and had a lot of political power there because of it.
                But the cooperation between the countries meant that all countries had a say, instead of things just being dictated by the strongest.
                When USA threatened to invade Greenland it became very obvious that the European countries are from being vassals of USA, with several countries delivering military support to Denmark with actual troops to defend Greenland, and many more declaring their support, and EU declaring that EU would use the “bazooka” against USA if they invaded Greenland.
                The Bazooka being by far the strongest measures ever used would be used against USA, for instance selling US bonds, which would absolutely upset the entire American economy.

                This “Bazooka” is an anti coercion system EU developed to protect against China, but instead it turned out we needed it against USA. So EU was absolutely prepared against USA, that is the opposite of being a vassal state.

    • CAVOK@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      10·
      2 days ago

      Good links for those who don’t want to read Politico, thanks.

      A very constructive way to get people away from that site imho. Perhaps next time similar links will be in the Europe feed so I don’t happen to stumble into Axel Springer media again. ;-)