I just had a thought like “What if some UFO aduction experiences people claim to have are actually people being kidnapped by the CIA” 
The kind of stories I’m thinking about often go like: “I was driving on an empty road in the middle of nowhere. I saw a bright light,” and then either “I remember nothing but had lost time” or “I remember being experimented on by aliens and then put back in my car.”
My tinfoil hat side is thinking like, these stories started happening around the time the US admitted to experimenting with abuse, torture and psychoactive drugs in Project MK-Ultra. Alien abduction stories were the most prevalent during this time. (CW: Just a heads up. If you want to read the rest of this post or anything else about MK-Ultra, be warned that it’s pretty horrible, and involves some of the most disgusting torture I have ever read about. Death to America.)
Of the surviving documents released to the public about MK-Ultra, the CIA admits to: “kidnapping people it deemed “expendable” to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds.”
Part of me wonders how many of these alien abduction stories are just people being kidnapped, drugged with powerful hallucinogens, experimented on and then released with the suggestion conditioned into their mind that it was aliens.
The most famous alien abduction story is that of Barney and Betty Hill, an interracial couple that were both civil rights leaders, definitely people that the CIA would want to fuck with, especially during rising tensions with the Soviet Union, the US government was suspicious of minorities and anyone interested in their rights.
the CIA backs and boosts absolute nonsense conspiracy theories like flat earth, tin foil hats, and Obama being a lizard to discredit the notion of conspiracy theory entirely
There IS evidence of that lol. All the domestic counter-intelligence and psyop point to exactly that. And they literally have memos saying they planned on turning the term “conspiracy theory” to mean “crazy nonsense”. Like actual documents saying: we’re doing this!
CIA literally created the UFO conspiracy and drove people to mental breakdowns making them chase lights in the desert for decades to give cover for weapons testing
I mean I wouldn’t say that…. They certainly helped push the most crazy and less credible people and stories. Also discrediting the more credible ones. But I have seen shit that cant be easily explained, and I’ve read and heard many more stories as well.
I think it’s part of their tactic. Just like the “evil pedo satanists” conspiracy, where actual regular evil pedos actually do run the world. Not for their pedophilia, or because of it, it’s still capitalism in the end. But like, push a crazy conspiracy to hide a real one y’know?
I meant that they created the concept of UFO conspiracy, the people researching UFOs were already there but CIA took advantage of them to discredit any sighting as ramblings of crazy conspiracy theorists
Going as far as keeping active contact and feeding “leaked information” with prominent UFO researchers, sending literal men in black to their doors, and orchestrating UFO contacts
Tbh most of this is shit I’ve picked up over the years from blog posts and youtube videos, but I’m like 75% certain this had actual sources, I’m just too high to verify anything
Ah we 100% agree then hahaahah
And yes, even the stuff picked up from getting high and falling into rabbit holes. Tbh, after sometime it gets kinda easy to spot bullshit and psyops.
I’m sure the truth about the phenomenon is not at all what the mainstream and even the “main” conspiracies portray it to be.
What I always go back to is the foo fighters and similar phenomena, crop circles and the nuke orbs. Those are the hardest to explain away imo, and I feel they mean something more than other shit.
But my personal experience also makes me think back to the ancient texts, the Vedas, ancient Egyptian and Sumerian texts etc. And idk, maybe the phenomenon is “angels and demons”. Or how I see it, weird non-physical or material stuff, in “higher” dimensions or consciousnesses. And not “aliens” with starships from other worlds.
The thing that gets me is how many US UFO sightings were made in the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War. There has to be at least some “what if the Soviets have superweapons” type of thinking there.
I think it has more to do with nukes tbh. The concentration of sightings around areas related to nukes is much greater (research facilities, test sites, where the nukes themselves are stored etc.).
Could you post a link to something on the nuke orbs you mentioned? I was not able to find anything that sounded similar from a quick search
You can search for “Robert Salas UFO” to start the rabbit hole, but basically there are a lot of military personnel that worked near nuclear facilities or even transported nukes that say orbs appeared and disassembled or deactivated them. Sometimes even doing this to missiles mid-flight during testing.
There was video of this, I remember seeing it years ago. I tried looking for it, but just found dead links to deleted YouTube videos…
What did you see 0-0
I mean, I can tell you but you have to promise not to look at me like I’m crazy lol
Back in late 2020 I was living on the last floor of an old building with my girlfriend. We were getting ready to go to bed, which means my last cigarette of the day. So I went outside to a little area we had, like a miniscule terrace.
I was smoking and looking over to the dark horizon, to a bridge near our home. The clouds that day were REALLY weird. They completely blanketed the sky and were really low and dense. But the night was not that dark, almost with a brownish light.
Anyways, after a bit, I saw over the distance after the bridge a thing. It was far, but at first it looked like a bunch of black balloons floating. And the “balloons” got nearer and nearer.
I’m terrible at measuring distances, but when it was maybe 100-150m away (I won’t convert to American measures soz), it started to shift in a weeeird way. The small roundish forms that were circling each other (like balloons) started to gather into a single shape. When this happened I ran and screamed for my girlfriend.
I quickly went back to observe the “thing” and I saw the singular black blob continue to move closer. I could now see it wasn’t a shiny black sphere as I thought, it really looked more like a hole in the clouds. Like an endless black hole. It wobbled and shifted a bit, never a perfect sphere.
Soon after my girlfriend arrived (both of us silent, mouths opened just freaking out), the blob “spit” out a smaller sphere. The smaller sphere started to perfectly orbit the bigger blob. And both continued to move closer.
Eventually the two blobs were right above us, maybe 50m above. And THIS is where it starts to get really weird.
The bigger blob shifted shapes again. And it looked like a human. Head, arms and legs. Then the smaller blob became a smaller human shaped thing. To highlight, my girlfriend is much shorter than me. In any case, after they shifted into human shaped holes, they started to dance. They held hands and danced around in a circle. Honestly seemingly very happy.
The only thing on my mind at this moment was “this is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen”. I really think I was smiling.
After maybe a minute, the shapes stopped dancing. The bigger one seemed to look directly at us. And then it waved. I waved back. I felt this was maybe the most momentous moment of my life. But I looked back, at my girlfriend, and she was crying in shock. That brought me down real quick and I was worried for her. I tried to calm her down. Then I looked back at the shapes.
They looked defeated, arms and shoulders down. They slowly became spheres again, and the smaller one went “in” the bigger one. The now one sphere seemed to go up and up, slowly. But it really only looked like a small hole getting smaller. I kept looking at it for maybe 20 minutes as it disappeared completely.
I asked my girlfriend why she was so afraid at that moment, and she said she felt they were going to take me away. I think I kinda felt that as well… but they didn’t want to make her sad I guess.
Idk man, I really searched and researched for months after that. I still have absolutely no fucking clue what it was. I don’t think “aliens” in any way other than “non-human conscious intelligences”.
I absolutely believe this. It’s a low cost move that pays huge dividends in convincing “smart” people that conspiracies never happen.
Does ‘The CIA assassinated Kennedy’ even still count as a conspiracy theory?
It is literally a conspiracy theory…
Sure it is man. Sure it is.
The CIA did invent that term, so maybe in an oblique manner?
The reason movie theaters switched from reel projection to digital projection was to undermine the projectors’ union since digital projection can just be automated.
Popular media whether it’s music or film or whatever is decided by studios and labels as opposed to organic popularity. (Obviously not all cases are true, but I feel there’s a lot of cases where it is true.)
music definitely. radio stations have always been paid to put songs on the air.
You know how cheap electronics (like a lot of Halloween decorations) specify not to use rechargeable batteries? I think that’s just a ploy by Big Battery to sell more batteries.
Amonh us
i think lots of hair salons sneak relaxer into the deep conditioner. also your theory is cool!
I strongly believe that a lot of the internet is dead and that it’s just chugging along with a digital Potemkin village of activity and relevance, with no further input from living people needed or even wanted.
Much like how “oops, the
did a fucky wucky today so livelihoods must end” tea leaf reading is just taken for granted as meaning something, way too many people just trust “googling it” or whatever a Wikipedia entry says and go with whatever is then put in front of them.Since returning to reddit a few months ago after a hiatus of a few years I’ve definitely started to wonder. So much of that site is so circle-jerky, they just talk about the same shit over and over again. Is it because they’re just redditors, they’re bots, or is it a little of both?
There are secret drugs only rich people know about.
Found this back in the glory days of /r/CTH: Justin Trudeau is Comrade Fidel Castro’s failson. I know it’s true because it’s too funny not to be true
That 99.9% of the time social media “virality” is just admin from YouTube and TikTok manually choosing which of their favorite influencers are forced upon users. I’m not even talking execs here, just low-ranking code monkeys and paper pushers on a power trip.
That most Meta workers abuse their power and read users’ DMs. Pretty sure this has been confirmed, though not by Zuck and the gang—just random ex-employees. I knew a guy who worked for Facebook who my gut-instinct says was cyber-stalking me. He let a piece of really personal info about me slip during a convo. It wasn’t a dark secret, just something that I’d barely told anyone. I assumed that maybe my friend had told him, but she said she’d hardly spoken to him.
That most Meta workers abuse their power and read users’ DMs
Btw this is workers in like every industry with access to user data. Tesla workers sharing car video recordings amongst each other for laughs https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/6/23672760/tesla-employees-share-vehicle-recordings-privacy
One of my friends while working for our university also looked up the transcripts of her friends and even took requests for lookups on anybody from her friends
This is so wild to me. I used to be a sadmin (a sysadmin with more depression) and the culture of the trade where I worked was extremely rigid. We had the power to read everyone’s emails, spy on financials etc whatever we wanted but if you didn’t diligently practice the art of unseeing when digging around to fix something, or ever mentioned something you should not know you were instantly a pariah and fired shortly afterwards.
Even the goofiest people that liked to laze around and play office pranks would become rigidly formal and serious if it seemed like someone’s privacy might be about to get violated. Similar to doctors/lawyers clamming up.
Idk if that was just the culture of the past, when the position was more of an estoteric thing you were inducted into? or if the company I worked for was uniquely good about it. Everyone I met at conferences was like that too though.
At my job i get access to addresses and phone numbers and names, so i always call my coworkers over when someone has a funny surname or odd street for their address
Bruh come on why
That 99.9% of the time social media “virality” is just admin from YouTube and TikTok manually choosing which of their favorite influencers are forced upon users
I think you cracked the code on Justin Bieber’s origin story.
Imo, late-2000s YouTube was organic compared to what it’s become.
Transdimensional bigfoot /s
No but really I think there has to be something going on with Antarctica. Look at operation highjump and how the guy who led it was given the medal of honor and told to never talk about it.
I’m of the belief that the contemporary existence of foot fetishes was the result of some shady scheme by some group (fuck knows who).
Yeah, yeah I know that there’s examples erotica involving feet dating back as far back as ancient Greece, but hear me out:
In 1998, a study was carried out analysing porn magazines released between 1964 and 1994. They found that women’s feet became a much larger focus when the HIV/AIDS epidemic was in the public consciousness and drew a comparison to a spike of foot fetishism in the European continent during the syphilis epidemic of the 19th century, concluding that foot fetishism is connected to fears of catching STIs.
I disagree, by focusing specifically on porn and not the larger cultural milieu, they had missed the mainstreaming of foot fetishism in the movies and TV that predates the epidemic.
MASH, held the record for the most watched episode of TV in its final episode (so big in fact, that there was a surge in toilets flushing shortly after the episode ended that did lasting damage to New York’s sewer system). Now MASH is a comedy series that frequently falls back on joking about how foot obsessed its main cast is, to the point that one episode even has a subplot of Hawkeye being assigned to inspect everyone’s feet and reveling in his fetish.
This is but one example, media of the time was full of the stuff. And it wasn’t just you Americans who were being indoctrinated into worshipping at the altar of feet. You can find foot fetishism emerging in culture all around The West™ at the time.
Two questions, then, remain:
Who is responsible for this media blitz?
And,
Why did they do it?
My theory is that it was a collaboration between the CIA and MI5 to try to determine just how deep their propaganda can effect people by implanting a fetish into the larger public zeitgeist.
ok this one’s wild, one of my favorites in this thread so far
Incredible post. Why feet, though?
There is some speculation that the feet and hands are right next to the genitals in the brain centers. So wires can cross real easily. If you watch women’s tiktoks you see they are hig into hands. It isn’t much a stretch
i do think the Hills were probably just super sleep deprived. don’t drive for 20 hours straight https://web.archive.org/web/20201109004211/http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009378.html
Yeah true, there are too many factors like that for me to say its true. That’s why it’s just a silly little thought “what if” and not something I’m too serious about haha
i read /u/mechwarrior2’s link, if true it is quite interesting that they were communists who had a bunch of air force friends and lived real close to a nuclear base. However Betty also seems like a very unreliable narrator.
e: and contrary to the substack author’s opinions, Martin Cannon seems like a rather excitable fellow, and I’m not sure I trust the “Martin Cannon listened to a tape and said it said she was a communist” or really anything that comes from him. I read his paper called The Controllers (later developed into a book from which the substack author took this tidbit), but Cannon seems to be writing further than the facts allow. 1. He gives a lot of credence to some guy who says he’s a deadly Navy SEAL with the usual accompanying deadly weapon hands 2. At great length he entertains the possibility of US government implanting electrodes in peoples’ brains, remotely activated in order to affect their behavior. Okay sure, we’ve got pacemakers, there’s some prior published research with brain stimulation on humans, and that would definitely be useful militarily. That’s a viable MKULTRA experiment area, they’d try it. But he goes on to say
[Robert] Naeslund, a Swedish citizen, tells a similar story. Moreover, his claims were backed by special evidence: X-rays revealed an implant in his brain. Naeslund actually went to the extreme of having his implant tested by electronic technicians employed by Hewlett-Packard. A Greek surgeon performed the necessary trepanation to remove the device.
You’re telling me that this guy had a mysterious implant removed from his head by a surgeon and the most I can find is a photo of a dark blob on an X-ray? You’re telling me that brain implants are common in “abductees” and there’s no evidence of these physical artifacts? Especially because the usual paranormal explanation for these experiences is alien abduction, an “alien” artifact would be a big fucking deal and they’d publicize it. Props to him for putting forth a theory that can be supported or killed by evidence, I guess.
what is a harmful conspiracy? I hear the terms dangerous and harmful often when it comes to conspiracy theories. and I’m pretty sure they don’t mean ‘the jews are poisoning our wells’ so in don’t understand what they mean or what the exact harm of those conspiracy theories is.
that vaccines are a lie and medicine makes you sicker.
Those conspiracy theories come from the abysmal track record of the U.S. medical system. From over-prescribing opiates for kickbacks to the Tuskegee Experiments, the U.S. medical industry has been responsible for countless horrors over the years. People remember when their relatives, family members, or close friends died of opiate overdoses, and that mistrust extends itself to the rest of the industry. The only reason why I chose to get the vaccine was because the companies were hoarding them from the third world, which was a sure sign that it was effective enough to warrant even more racism in medical care, meaning that these evil companies apparently had something to offer.
Add on to this countless crackpot theories allowed to propagate throughout the country, like “vaccines cause autism” and “china steals organs”, and you get a recipe for a population that has zero trust in companies like Pfizer and J&J.
because the companies were hoarding them from the third world, which was a sure sign that it was effective enough to warrant even more racism in medical care, meaning that these evil companies apparently had something to offer
Fuck that’s a strong argument
countless crackpot theories allowed to propagate throughout the country, like “vaccines cause autism” and “china steals organs”
There is actually some evidence of Uygers in China being used as organ donors as a part of the larger ongoing ethnic cleansing they’ve been engaging in.
Do you have any links to this evidence? I’d like to see it.
I hadn’t looked deeply into it at the time, but I just remember reliable news sources reporting that it was happening. Here’s the Wikipedia article on the topic, maybe read through the references and Google a little. Definitely passes the sniff test for “actually happening” for me
The organ harvesting conspiracy theory is not true. Falun Gong is a Chinese cult that is racist and anti-science. JJ McCullough, a center-right youtuber I disagree with quite often, has made a good video about the Falun Gong and their claims of organ harvesting. The critical point is right here. Also, Wikipedia is not a good source in general for political knowledge, as politics are very contentious and it’s hard to find the truth there. It’s a good place to start, but you should look in the references part of the article for primary sources and check those instead. You can then evaluate the reliability of those sources. If the source is InfoWars, then it’s probably not a great source. The same goes for a site like Radio Free Asia, which is a U.S. propaganda site directly funded by the U.S. government.
Bruh that’s literally an Internet reply hastily written at midnight when I should’ve gone to bed 2 hours earlier abour a subject I only know of from reading the news 3 years ago, not a research paper. I did a quick Google (and saw plenty of reliable news sources and a meeting announcement by the United States House on the subject), incorrectly merged two likely separate genocides in my tired brain and tapped out a hasty reply as a friendly “uh check your sources on that one” i also selected Wikipedia as the article to link after glancing at its sources and specifically instructed to “read through the references and Google a little.”
Human Rights Watch, Reuters, CNN and The Washington Post all reported very clear evidence of this involuntary organ harvesting from political prisoners. They clearly state their evidence (none rely on vague “sources”) and none of the articles contain retraction notices nor significant corrections. As a dude who fixes computers for work and may never leave the North American continent that more is good enough for me to trust as I adapt my world view to new information.
And most importantly if you do the same level of research I just did for the other conspiracy the first-level poster mentioned (the well-debunked claim of “vaccines causing autism”) you will come away far sooner with the correct conclusion that not only are vaccines overwhelmingly safe and effective, but there is no correlation, no method and no evidence for vaccines causing autism. My original point that I wanted to make was that the poster grouped a heavily debunked conspiracy theory with a plausible claim that has good evidence supporting it as if both are equally clearly false.
everyone is out to get me
don’t even try it i’m feral
Thwt is called schizophrenia
im in your walls
Not again
