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You won’t like hearing this, but video games must become more expensive. When I was little, my dad got me a PlayStation 2 for christmas, but without any games. My mum was very generous and took me out to pick two games for it. They were 60€ each. Nowadays you would call those full-price games. But now, 20 years later, a full-price game is still about 60€. If you correct that for inflation, it should really be 86€ now. And that’s not even covering the fact that games have massively increased in visual fidelity, which is much more expensive to produce. If you don’t want games to be littered with microtransactions or ads, then you have to accept that a regular video game must be at least 90€. (98 USD, 77 GBP, 149 AUD, 134 CAD) #Gaming #GameDev #GameDevelopment #Steam #Inflation #Economy #PlayStation
Can’t wait to buy the next installment of insert sports game here/call of duty for 100 USD base, 200 for the dlc, maybe even 300 for the ultimate deluxe extreme version.
ALSO you don’t raise prices to “adjust to inflation,” that’s not how inflation works. Raising prices IS the inflation.
And inflation doesn’t work the same way uniformly across all products. Electronics and entertainment products famously tend to decrease in value in real dollars… hell sometimes even just in absolute terms, pretty sure a computer cost more in 1990 dollars in 1990 than one did in 2005 in 2005 dollars. The strategy for these products is to become profitable by becoming less niche because people tend to have a pretty low tolerance for expensive entertainment products.
Imagine if electronics prices had scaled by both quality and inflationary pressure since the 1980s. You’d need a mortgage to afford TVs that I can find in the Best Buy discount bin.
my favorite living Russian is FitGirl
Literally just installed a repack this morning. All hail
i saw she was asking for donations for the first time in a couple years, i just gotta make a crypto account or something but i guess there is maybe 4 reasons to use crypto, albeit somewhat illegal reasons haha.
She does good work. Shame about the unhinged bigotry though.
Are you thinking of EMPRESS, cause I don’t remember FitGirl being a bigot (might have just missed it)
It is absolutely true that, adjusted for inflation, video games were more expensive in ye olden days; an NES at launch costed more, inflation adjusted, than a PS5 costs today.
The fatal flaw they’ve committed here is that they’re applying macroeconomic shifts to a microeconomic product. Inflation is a measure of total prices, prices can go down or stay neutral in one sector while drastically increasing in others and hence net inflation. Tech is notorious as a sector where real prices have dropped, as there’s way more factors in prices than “muh polygon count.” The PS2 era was much less competitive than the current era, for example.
Also, just, manufacturing has developed a lot. It’s possibly cheaper today for Nintendo to have a Switch cartridge made than it was to have an NES cartridge made back in the day, at least factoring in scale.
Not to mention they’re selling them to a exponentially larger market and are saving buckets of money by not bothering with physical products anymore
If it is singeplayer never pay.
Okay but do pay if you enjoy a game and want to support it?
Like, AAA games are ass and have been but like I’m not gonna steal a copy of Hades when I’ve loved everything supergiant games has put out and would love to see more.
Okay but do pay if you enjoy a game and want to support it?
In a world where everyone knew how to pirate your money would matter more. As it stands piracy doesnt make that big of an impact overall. The biggest decider IMO should be if the company is publicly traded or if youre just broke and can only afford to pay for a VPN. Hades isnt a great example either since that game is routinely on sale for $20 or less. I got it on Switch for $15 i think.
I’m just saying there is a big difference between never pay for ANY game that is single player, and only pay for what you believe deserves support.
good rule of thumb is pirate AAA games and buy indie games when you can
98% of consumers will take the path of least resistance when it comes to popular games which means they’re not going to learn to torrent. I wouldn’t pirate Hades, but I also wouldn’t care if someone did.
I’d argue the opposite. With single player I get exactly what I want out of the game from day one, and I have the same value no matter what. If it’s multi-player I’m depending on other people playing it, there’s always microtransactions or paying for season passes or whatever, so I think it’s best to not pay if you can avoid it.
Very few online multiplayer games can be played pirated. Mainstream ones at least.
Local multiplayer, or games that require a premade: yes, good point. I’ve been burned a few times on that front.
Wait until you learn about assassins creed buddy
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the market for games has also exploded though
very popular game in the late nineties would be lucky to break a million sales in it’s opening week
now that’s completely expected for any aaa game no matter how shittangentially related
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if you can’t afford to price your game at $60, then you should just make a smaller game. AAA game devs should stop pumping out bloated garbage
The audience size when this person was little was a tiny fraction of the size of the audience today.
In their first year of sales, GTA 3 sold 4 million copies, and GTA 5 sold 45 million. If we adjust for both inflation and increased sales to make the same amount of money, GTA 5 should have sold for $6.60 a copy.
I mean GTA 3 was not the peak of the GTA series. San Andreas sold 18 million copies on the PS2 alone, with nearly 30 million copies sold across all systems by 2011.
San Andreas released in 2004, so 30 million in 7 years. GTA V released in 2013, and in 2020 it had sold 130 million copies.
San Andreas launched at $50 a copy, which adjusted to 2013 dollars is $63 a copy. $50 * 30M copies / 130M copies = 14.53 To make the same amount of money GTA V should’ve had a launch price of ~$14.50. Better, but not by much. Video game prices should be lower.
Also, games 20-30 years ago came on ROM cartridges which were relatively expensive to manufacture compared to optical discs. There’s a reason Nintendo 64 games were usually more expensive than Playstation games.
Now most games come in the form of a digital download, or an optical disc that just prompts a digital download anyway. And they both cost $60-$70
I mean it depends. The PS2 is the console with the most sales of all time, over 150 million units sold. It had the biggest install base in AAA gaming history. A lot of game franchise’s biggest sellers are still from the PS2 era. Need For Speed Most Wanted sold 18 million copies on all systems, which is still their record seller. GTA San Andreas sold 18 million on the PS2 alone, and nearly 30 million across all systems. Only GTA 5 with it’s billion re releases is more popular. Metal Gear Solid 2 is still holds the sales record for the franchise, with 7.4 million copies sold. Gran Turismo 3 is still the best selling Gran Turismo game with 15 million copies sold.
Honestly I think the gaming audience size peaked in the late PS2/Xbox - early PS3/X360 era in the mid 2000s. The 2008-09 financial crash hit the gaming industry hard, you can see that through total console sales. It basically extended the life of the PS3 and Xbox 360 by over 3 years, and they still had dissapointing sales numbers. Gaming is an expensive hobby for the majority of the world. I only think gaming is starting to recover now on the AAA front, you can see with the amount of sales the Nintendo switch and PS4 achieved in the late 2010s.
Gaming is an expensive hobby for the majority of the world.
The upfront cost is high, but the durability of the product makes it very cheap by hours-consumed. I spent around $350 to get my
Halo Playing MachineX-Box back in 2001, but holy fuck did my friends and I ever play the bajezus out of that one hit classic. Hundreds of hours, easily. Probably over a thousand if you count each of my friends. Compare that to an equivalent number of DVD rentals or frames of bowling or drinks at the local bar. Way cheaper than after school sports classes or summer camps. Cheaper even than a pair of roller blades and protective kit (and way cheaper than medical bills).Second-hand games (excluding the vintage collector’s market) make the hobby cheaper still. Right now, I can get a used PS4 and a fist-full of classics for half what I paid to play Halo, fairly easily.
Getting games day-of release is still a rich kid’s hobby. But nothing is stopping you from burning a hundred hours playing Starcraft or Mario Galaxy for pocket change.
You’re fixating on individual game sales over the total market. 2008-2009 did not really hit the industry hard. There is a mid-generation lul in the market for consoles that occurs in each console generation but besides that gaming really wasn’t particularly affected at all.
I also think you’re fixated on console here when PC and mobile platforms have exploded, particularly outside of NA/EU.
What this graph doesn’t tell you is that the market is nearly double what this graph shows now, $270bn.
You can’t just say “mobile doesn’t count” either when the top mobile games are HoK - a moba very similar to League, Genshin Impact which is just a port of pc/console, PubG which is yet another serious game, Roblox, etc etc. The mobile platform is a serious platform at this point where the highest revenue games are genuinely serious games.
Who was playing mobile games in 1996 and what kind of phone would even allow such a thing?
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This motherfucker pays for game. What a loser.
Now a days you don’t need to absorb physical media costs and are open to the Chinese market. Almost half of all steam users now are from China.
There’s like a billion gamers now, anything above 15 money is theft and should be pirated
When you’ve just learned about inflation in Econ 101 but you haven’t taken Econ 102 yet so you haven’t learned about price elasticity.
Ok, now can you tell me why adjusting for inflation has a single thing to do with what the price of something should be?
Gaming is a bigger industry than Hollywood. Do you think they are running on low margins or something?
You dare suggest the shareholders don’t get the maximum profits they worked so hard to create???
I’ll go enjoy my fifth playthrough of a $20 indie game instead thanks
What if I told you games are actually priced efficiently for the current market? They don’t want the games to be more expensive because fewer people will buy them. They want microtransactions because they make more money with them then they would if games didn’t have them but were more expensive. The true desire of publishers is to have both expensive games and microtransactions. The market will eventually shift to have both, you’re already seeing it in some cases like MWIII. Once they hit the limit with microtransactions, they will raise prices on the base game. Don’t worry.
Then raise them to €90. They’re acting like they need consumer permission to raise the price. Sell your slop at €90 and see how many people buy it, lmao.
Exactly. As if publishers hadn’t already done the math on this
