• Azarova [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Tangentially related, but with the steady progress in China regarding queer rights, is it possible that we’ll finally see attitudes in the Global Majority disentangle the concept of queerness from American imperialism? I may be way off the mark here, but I feel as though that conflation is one of the major stumbling blocks to queer liberation in such countries alongside the generic religious-based conservatism.

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      I sure hope so, its been building for some time but the recent pink washing by the imperial core just slowed it down some more, to what imo was an already glacially slow jaggy but overall general upward trend going back to pre-colonial times.

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      I doubt it. America actively pushes queerness alongside explicitly imperialism to pinkwash it and just general identity politics as well while China doesn’t promote any social progress (or any sort of ideology) to others

  • Zvyozdochka [she/her, pup/pup's]@hexbear.net
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    The Beijing No 2 Intermediate People’s Court went on to state that “social tolerance is a blessing of the rule of law” and highlighted the need to “respect diverse ways of living and protect the dignity of transgender people.”

    The LIB are going to be very upset when they learn this. How could evil China stand up for their transgender comrades?! Jokes aside, this is great progress and I hope things continue to improve so that China be another safe haven on the likes of Cuba. xi-clap

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      It’s striking to me that the Court could have just rendered a decision based on the law and the contract, but decided to add that part about respecting diversity and LGBT people. Almost like a warning shot to anyone else who would try to pull this shit.

      Good stuff.

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        Gotta append with “but the tibetans” though

        Never once stopping to consider what the theocratic slave owning class would have thought about LGBT people…

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    It’s nearly impossible to get a factual grounding of the status of LGBT peoples in China through English media, since rainbow imperialism has been fully weaponized against designated enemy regimes. Western media describes China’s official policy as “no approval; no disapproval; no promotion.” I can’t find any literature that actually attests to this as written policy, but even if true, this position has given relatively meager ammunition for atrocity propaganda so far compared to other fronts of propaganda assault against the country. China is the chief designated enemy regime today and the only major thing I’ve seen thrown is primarily the “muh censorship” shtick. There is an undeniable fact that organized LGBT groups can and have been appropriated by Western interests in terms of NGO collaboration with Western funding and support, however. The chief obstacle to securing LGBT rights in China will never be the allowance of these dubiously affiliated groups, but overall societal reception. With the latter, wholly independent and organic means of collective organization will naturally form.

    Through my personal trawling, the current situation as I understand it is that the more conservative elements of Chinese society see it as a foreign intrusion, similarly to how reactionaries in Russia view LGBT there. Uniquely, however, the main hurdles are mainly cognitive however and can be overcome by LGBT allied advocacy:

    • LGBT toleration is not against Chinese historical tradition. There are countries where historical tradition is legitimately in opposition with the fight to secure LGBT rights. China is not one of them. The core of heteronormativity doctrine that prevails today across the world is derived from Western Christian dogmatism. However, China has had a long history of homosexual toleration and practice before heteronormativity was imposed at gunpoint by the proliferation of Western Christian missionaries, whose allowance to propagandize the population was a stipulated condition enforced onto China after the First Opium War by the Treaty of Nanjing. Paradoxically, conservative groups intent on defending Chinese tradition are in reality preventing the restoration of China’s historical tradition of toleration in favor of the 19th and 20th century Western imposed heteronormative dogmatism.
    • The latest concern is that for those who see China’s aging population as a national security threat, they consequently therefore see LGBT peoples as abetting this demographic trend. This interpretation of conjoining LGBT liberation with declining demographics is entirely unfounded. Not only is a truly LGBT tolerant society no obstacle to stable demography, this is putting the cart before the horse.
      • The principal impediment worldwide to declining fertility rates is the absurd cost of living for the global Gen Z and Millennial generations, particularly housing costs, and China is not an exception here. As usual with Western coverage of China, if they screech something is going to collapse the country, it’s more likely a good policy decision. The recent popping of the real estate bubble is the government’s campaign against the skyrocketing housing prices. The fixation on enforcing heteronormativity to “resolve” demographic trends is therefore completely misinterpreting the issue.
      • LGBT peoples are not categorically anti-natalists, the clarification of this point must be fully advocated. In the current medical context, LGBT peoples will only be a contributing drag on demographic conditions if they inhabit a social and legal jurisdiction which inhibits their ability to participate in child rearing. A society that establishes an institutional adoption progress by LGBT parent aspirants would find that they are no more proportionally inclined to anti-natalism than heteronormative peoples.
        • Additionally, the developing medical context in terms of reproductive technological advancements see the real possibility of neutralizing the biological hurdles to LGBT contribution towards birth. The promotion of achieving this technological condition would be entirely synergistic with China’s national objective of ensuring the vanguard of a socialist state at the leading edge of human biosciences advancement.
    • I’ve seen it suggested from a geopolitical basis that the calculus of securing the liberation of LGBT peoples would alienate China from its Global South colleagues whose societies face similar objections to advancing LGBT rights as neocolonial assaults on traditionist lines, along with the weird social conservative bedfellows that are currently chummy with China, like reactionary Russia and (wtf) the German AfD. The logic of this cynical argument must be connected to the reality that China, by its nature as a socialist state, alienates the capitalist elites (and therefore the media culture) of Global South and capitalism restoration countries like Russia far more than LGBT rights ever will. If the goal was to make Global South social conservatives happy, the logic of that sort of accomodation followed to its conclusion would lead to the overthrow of socialism in China. Rather, China must remain at the vanguard and set an independent standard for how the Global South can liberate LGBT peoples without resorting to the commercial and imperialist appropriation and two-faced perpetual legal and political semi-toleration of LGBT in the West.
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      The best way to insulate yourself from infiltration by capitalism elements is not to create enemies by needless opposition. Even the fucking capitalists notes the best method to avoid kgb blackmail in the godamn 50’s was to ditch homophobia. Our society being fundamentally anti human obviously made the dumbest decision possible.

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        It’s a self fulfilling cycle that you can see from the testimony of LGBT Chinese individuals in Western coverage.

        Because a lackluster societal tolerance climate preventing the domestic development of organic communities for LGBT rights due to the misinterpretations I’ve stated above, alienation drives LGBT peoples to the only real organized groups around, those formed by and subsisting on external backing through Western networked NGOs, as their only safe space. This relationship inevitably makes those individuals more amenable to the ideology behind those groups, ie. it turns them into Chinese liberal (or full blown Western imperialism apologists) types who come to oppose the government, socialist governance and their country on all grounds. None of this is necessary or inevitable and the understanding must be advocated that LGBT peoples in China need not be consequentially Chinese liberal capitalism restorationists if allowed to organize on their own terms.

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      The chief obstacle to securing LGBT rights in China will never be the allowance of these dubiously affiliated groups, but overall societal reception. With the latter, wholly independent and organic means of collective organization will naturally form.

      A factor to be particularly concerned about is western groups being weaponised as deliberate agitation.

      Let’s say an LGBT NGO gets western funding, intentionally riles some shit up, gets shut down by the state. This can drastically damage the population’s perception of lgbt issues.

      Western interference in foreign lgbt groups is counter-intuitive. It genuinely deeply harms the local groups doing grassroots efforts if/when local state cracks down on them.

      This is of course to the benefit of western imperialism though, it provides plenty of propaganda and further justification for what they’re doing and the enemy regime being evil.

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        The US has gotten so used to not obeying laws they get surprised when the laws of physics drags one of their fighter jets or ospreys out of the sky.

        Like damn the laws of physics aren’t like the Geneva conventions you can’t just not adhere to them if you don’t want to.

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            Sometime in the next few years, an F-35 will crash directly into the South China Sea because the engine spontaneously turned off mid flight.

            The liberal media will go onto a news cycle for how the plane should have continued to be able to fly without thrust despite being heavier than air.

            The US military will then launch a full scale ground invasion of Isaac Newton’s grave, with the justification that gravity is in direct opposition to US state interests.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    This is a big step. Even for Asia as a whole. You all need to watch the attached video. Not the subject of the article but the journey of a trans man from China going to Thailand for top surgery and how happy he was just to be accepted by his family and to have a nurturing support group brought a tear of happiness. This is progress. Savor it.

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    Archive.org link.

    The article also covers things that relate to trans rights in China more broadly, so definitely give it a read, but here’s the stuff related to this case.

    Timeline of Events: In 2018, Gao worked for e-commerce platform Dangdang. She applied for sick leave with her supervisor on the day of her gender reassignment surgery, submitting a medical certificate and the doctor’s advice that she needed two months off work after the surgery. It was affirmed by her superior.

    But the human resources staff rejected her application. They said her certificates contained “unclear content and cannot prove sickness”. The company also sent her a letter following her surgery, where they addressed Gao as “Mr”, referred to her as a “mental patient” and said that they had to “protect” other employees from her.

    Two months after she had applied for sick leave, she was fired. Two months after that, she formally sought labour dispute arbitration. The letter the company sent Gao was used by her as evidence of unlawful dismissal.

    In 2020, the Beijing court supported Gao on two counts and ruled that Dangdang should continue to honour her original contract of employment. In addition, the court said Dangdang should pay her salary from the date she applied for sick leave to the date of arbitration, which amounts to 128,028 yuan (US$18,000). It went on to state that “social tolerance is a blessing of the rule of law” and highlighted the need to “respect diverse ways of living and protect the dignity of transgender people.”

    The details of the case were previously unknown, and were posted online by the Shanghai Federation Trade Unions on November 29, 2023.

    • SwitchyWitchyandBitchy [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      It sounds like it was a case of targeting a trans woman. CW: transphobia

      spoiler

      From the article: “In the letter, the company addressed Gao as “Mr”, referred to her as a “mental patient” and said that they had to “protect” other employees from her.”