And I know we’re mostly atheists here, but please keep the theological discussion to a minimum and appreciate the lighthearted hypothetical scenario for what it is.

  • esc27@lemmy.world
    95·
    1 year ago

    The 10 commandments divide into two sections. Rules for the relation between people and God and rules for the relation between people and other people. 5 more would probably setup a third section. Like rules for the relation between people and nature or rules for one’s relation to oneself.

    1. Forgive your brother who has wronged you as you would want him to forgive your own transgressions.

    2. Honor creation and take only what you need from the mountains, streams, woodlands, and valleys.

    3. Respect the creatures of the earth as your brothers in creation.

    4. Avoid excesses and live humbly

    5. Love yourself for you were created in My image

  • neidu2@feddit.nlOP
    961·
    1 year ago

    I might as well go first:

    Thou shalt seed what you download (You’ll understand in a few thousand years)

    • fubo@lemmy.world
      23·
      1 year ago

      And the Lord said unto Moses: If thou pushest thy change, and the site goeth down, thou shalt roll back thy push. Thou shalt roll back first, even if thou knowest not the root cause. Thus may your days be long and prosperous on the earth.

      • tetris11@lemmy.ml
        3·
        1 year ago

        And if thine rollback causes further blackout, then thou shalt purge the caches. If further still a blackout persists to be, then yay thou shalt send an update to your customers asking thou all to tight holdeth.

      • kennismigrant@feddit.nl
        2·
        1 year ago

        Thou shalt roll back first, even if thou knowest not the root cause

        and make everything so worse your angels won’t dare ack the alert. Forget not about stateful systems!

      • brygphilomena@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        Ive had a few commits with the comment “forgive me for the sins I am about to commit”

        I knew it was bad code, but it worked

        • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
          4·
          1 year ago

          The best commit message I ever saw was --blueText is now pink - yeah I know but they insisted, BEM my arse

  • TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    472·
    1 year ago

    “No slavery”, “no genocide”, “no slavery”, “no genocide”, and “seriously, no slavery or genocide”.

    • sylver_dragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      322·
      1 year ago

      Considering that early Jewish writings directly contain laws about the treatment of slaves, “no slavery” was probably not on the list.

      As for Genocide, Yahweh commanded Saul through Samuel:

      And Samuel said to Saul, "The Lord sent me to anoint you to be king over His people, over Israel; and now hearken to the voice of the words of the Lord.
      …
      Now, go, and you shall smite Amalek, and you shall utterly destroy all that is his, and you shall not have pity on him: and you shall slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

      And then Yahweh threw a hissy fit when Saul showed some mercy. Turns out that Yahweh was is a dick, according to his own believers’ writings.

      • Followupquestion@lemm.ee
        121·
        1 year ago

        So you’re saying the Bible specifically recommends slaying ass?

        “Honey, the Bible says I gotta go slay ass! I know I promised those days were behind me, but God wants me to do it! Completely off topic, how’s your sister? She still single?”

      • fubo@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        To be fair, Samuel had tried to convince the people of Israel not to do the king thing in the first place. See 1 Samuel 8:10-22.

        And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you:

        He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. […] And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

        And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

        And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

        Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; that we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

        • davidgro@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 months ago

          Only 10% taxes?
          Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal maybe.

          Anyway, at least some of the USA founding fathers were just as down on the idea of political parties as Samuel was on kings here. I think they were right.

      • soviettaters@lemm.ee
        4·
        1 year ago

        Slavery most definitely is allowed by the Jewish and Christian God. Genocide is much trickier, as there is still debate about certain wording and whether or not genocide actually happened at the time. Overall, the consensus is that genocide is bad at current times either because all genocide is bad or because God does not condone current genocides.

        Source: I’m Christian

      • Doorbook@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        “PM Netanyahu invokes ‘Amalek’ theory to justify Gaza killings.”

        He actually quoted this a few weeks back…

      • TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        31·
        1 year ago

        I spent an evening doing keyword searches in all the major holy texts one night just to gauge how violent they are and was definitely just thoroughly disgusted with all of them. I missed this excerpt, though. I guess I didn’t think about searching the word “smite”. Anyway… ugh.

        Honestly, screw all religion. It’s a nice thought to have a belief system of origin but humans are so stupidly violent and manipulative by nature that there’s no way to create something useful and wholesome. They all condone the whole “kill those you disagree with” bullshit, amongst other awful isms. So far, Sikhism is the least violent and sexist I can find of any religion.

    • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      “seriously, no slavery or genocide”

      “So, what God is really saying is that it’s ok if we do BOTH…”

    • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Choose your own adventure vibes…

      Are they still in print? I’d hate if it if they stopped for some reason. I only read a few (and can’t remember squat!) but the nostalgia is heavy

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’m not sure, but funnily enough I was thinking about them just the other day as I think my daughter would love them. The Steve Jackson/Ian Livingston ones were brilliant back in the day.

  • DLSantini@lemmy.ml
    35·
    1 year ago

    Thou shalt not fuck kids. They definitely meant for that to be in there, right? Guys…?

    • lseif@sopuli.xyz
      132·
      1 year ago

      what was that? gay people are sinners? got it.

      /s ::: spoiler disclaimer

      this is about the bible verse about laying with a boy (or something). not homophobic

      :::

  • Lvxferre@lemmy.ml
    291·
    1 year ago

    The five missing ones are:

    1. Acknowledge the central point.
    2. Thou shalt not soapbox.
    3. Thou shalt not decontextualise what others say.
    4. Thou shalt not claim intentions to defend thine or someone else’s actions.
    5. Thou shalt not convey “I disagree” through feigned lack of understanding.

    Bonus: the original version of the 8th was

    1. Thou shalt not claim with certainty things that you do not know for certain.

    The current 8th (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour) is a forgery. Some assumer got called out over and over because of the older 8th, since he really liked to make shit up, so he restricted it into near uselessness. Source: I’m Lucifer, I know it. :^)

      • Lvxferre@lemmy.ml
        91·
        1 year ago

        Your version of the 8th would literally undo all religion

        It would undo the myths, I think. Morality and religious practices might survive depending on how much they rely on said myths.

        and a bit of science

        It would perhaps demote a lot of theories back to hypotheses, but that’s actually good IMO. A good scientist should embrace the doubt and treat it as a respectable enemy, not hide from it like a catfish in the mud.

  • Bizarroland@kbin.social
    26·
    1 year ago

    Thou shalt not be cruel

    Thou shalt not oppress your fellow man

    Thou shalt not put yourself before your brethren

    Thou shalt not think only of yourself

    Thou shalt not live in a disordered home, nor shall you allow the cities you live in to become disorderly due to your own lack of action

  • prime_number_314159@lemmy.world
    251·
    1 year ago

    1. Don’t be evil.

    2. Just do it.

    3. Make, your dreams, come true.

    4. [This one can’t be translated usefully into any modern language.]

    5. For everything else, there’s Mastercard.

  • azimir@lemmy.ml
    201·
    1 year ago
    • Do not treat people or animals as things
    • Consent first from others, especially your family
    • The Earth and it’s creatures should be shepherded and guarded, not exploited
    • No gods, no kings, no rulers - instead have empathy, sharing, and collaboration
    • It’s round you nimrods, because that’s how gravity works
  • thorbot@lemmy.world
    181·
    1 year ago

    Thall shalt not run for political office and then switch sides halfway through.

    Thall shalt not allow predators to sell underage girls to celebrities.

    Thall shalt not incite a coup at your government headquarters

    Thall shalt not give so many fucks about the arrangement of other people genitals or what they do with them.

    Thall shalt not fuck with abortion laws or start repealing other progressive laws that have been in place for decades

    • lud@lemm.ee
      71·
      1 year ago

      Thall shalt not allow predators to sell underage girls to celebrities.

      This one gives too much room for loopholes.

      Thall shalt not sell, trade, or in any way own people.

      This one seems better, it would also be better since it would apply not just now but also thousands (or hundreds, I don’t know when it happened) of years ago.

      • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        1 year ago

        People are ingenious getting around rules. The trader will make a gift of the slave to the property of the second person who will then make a gift of cash to the trader. The property owner will, of course, manage the slaves owned by the property.

    • JillyB@beehaw.org
      11·
      1 year ago

      I think the 10 commandments are in Exodus which is also one of the books where God says exactly how you should own slaves. So that would be a weird one.

  • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
    181·
    1 year ago

    There literally was another one if Idan Dershowitz’s theory that the Shapira Scroll was legit is true.

    In that document (the translation is in his book The Valediction of Moses: A Proto-Biblical Book (2021)), there’s effectively an 11th commandment of “thou shalt not hate your brother in your heart.”

    In general, a number of the sayings found across both Deuteronomy and Leviticus would seem like good candidates, such as “love your neighbor as yourself” and “love the foreigner among you as yourself.”

    A lot of the modern interpretation is that the former refers to your literal personal home neighbors, but it makes more sense for an emergent pastoral community to be in reference to political neighbors like the Canaanites and Philistines.

    Which we are now realizing thanks to archeology that the early Israelites cohabitated and were at peace with, in spite of the anachronistic stories in the Bible about it, such as the book of Joshua which is completely at odds with any archeological picture of history. Early Israelite theomorphic names in graveyards were even around 30% ‘Baal’ based. So the whole “hate and kill your neighbors that are different from you” seems like it was a later addition. To be fair, as likely was the monotheism.

    In general, the story of Moses breaking the first set of tablets in response to the golden calf worship is sus as fuck. It mirrors the alleged reforms of Josiah centuries later where he destroyed the golden calves at Bethel and Dan while getting rid of the old laws and instituting new ones. So much more likely that it was a later addition to an earlier folk narrative being shaped to support contemporary major religious reforms.

    My personal pick for a good candidate comes from a line in an 8th century BCE bilingual tablet from the group that the lead excavator of Tel Dan now thinks was the lost tribe of Dan up in Adana Turkey, the Denyen sea peoples. Their king, in discussing how he improved his kingdom over the past, used as a measuring stick the fact that women could now walk home alone feeling safe.

    So “Thou shalt create and foster a society where women can walk home alone at night feeling safe” seems like it would do a lot of heavy lifting to improve the current set of commandments significantly.