This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think we should be telling people it’s “Okay” to be morbidly obese. It isn’t okay. It’s extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don’t see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.
Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don’t think it’s a universal taboo to mock people’s appearances.
Body positivity should be “It’s okay if you’re not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes.” Not “It’s okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight.”
You’re not wrong. Id add tho that there’s a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they’re raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don’t do them.
So I don’t disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.
I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don’t tell alcoholics they don’t need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.
I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.
And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.
I think it goes even beyond the addiction metaphor. There are people with genetically broken leptin response whose bodies just don’t know how to make them feel full, ever. Addiction is extremely powerful but so is starvation and you really can’t fault people for having this condition.
But if you deal with a fascist and your insults of choice is about their appearance… wtf are you doing? There is not better insults for fascists? “Hahaha fat” is the choice? And “fat” jokes hit all “fat” people, not only the “morbidly obese”. Body dysmorphia is real. People with eating disorders tend to think that they are fat.
Also I haven’t seen a lot of mocking of smokers but the number of smokers is going down… lack of mockery is no issue. People just want to be allowed to be cruel.
And where is the mockery for joining ice? Or do we want them to get fit, instead of stop being part of ice?
i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don’t know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.
well, and you don’t like overweight people in general?
by all means, hate ice fucks, but if you’d call them fags for whatever reason, i’d throw stuff at you. because using fag as an insult is an attack on me. that is the structure i was talking about. insults that are based on groups are shit if you “don’t really” mean to shit on the whole group.
That is an interesting context, and I get what you mean.
Funny though that my gay friends would call them FagBergs if that bothered the ice monsters. They would be all for it, largely because they don’t find it insulting to be called fags, lol.
In any case you don’t choose if you are gay but you do choose to join ice. If it gets under their skin, I really don’t care what you call them.
If you weight 500lbs, it’s becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.
Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.
But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.
I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.
Obesity wouldn’t be the problem it is if it were just a personal choice. Plenty of people hardly have time for a healthy diet and lots of the quick, cheap, and easy options are calorie dense and addictive. It is very easy to unknowingly eat way too many calories without realizing it.
I won’t say I didn’t laugh at the joke. I did. But having been fat myself I can say that having people give me shit for my weight would never be helpful. Normalizing body shaming is more likely to create eating disorders and depression than it is to help fat people lose weight.
You don’t need to shame fat people to shame Nazis.
There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you’re a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.
You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.
I think it’s really hard for people living without “food noise” to understand that food noise is real.
Like man, there’s pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It’s fucking wild.
And there’s finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it’s expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.
Most people just don’t have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.
As someone who has spent the vast portion of their life clinically underweight, oddly, I know exactly what you’re describing when you say “food noise”.
See, I don’t really get hungry like “normal” people do, I usually only realise I’ve not eaten when I get to the stomach cramps stage. Never have done. I assume it’s an artefact of my autism or ADHD. (No, it’s not the stims I take as meds either, I wasn’t diagnosed till I was 33.)
However, the latest attempt with Mirtazapine to treat the chronic depression has given me an insight I would have lacked otherwise. One of it’s side effects is an increased appetite, which manifests exactly how you describe it. Once the dose hits my system, I become very aware of everything in the kitchen, and my brain won’t STFU about it.
It’s real, and you’re not imagining it. Which is all I can offer unfortunately. It’s not much, but the validation can be important sometimes. 💛
Likely too much nuance to matter, but in this case, the shame is relative to a fitness expectation for a certain kind of work, not relative to the expectations of wider society.
You do accept that not all body types are appropriate for all occupations, right? Or are you really that far off the performative bleeding heart deep end?
No one is trying to motivate these shitbags to live a healthier life.
They’re pointing out that these people who often claim to be part of “the master race”, are some of the worst specimens of humanity, from a multitude of unhealthy angles
i feel like i clarified that enough for someone who never said something remotely in defense of ice.
antifascism that does not care about people they claim to protect (those with bodies that are deemed sub optimal, the “degenerates”, the “perverts”, the racialized …) is pointless at best.
there are more insults, not only those that shit on whole groups of people.
I’m not calling anybody names for being overweight, but im not going to do what OP said either and give anybody a spiel about how we come in all different shapes and sizes. That’s not body positivity in this case. Its just lying to someone who needs a lifestyle change.
body shaming those you dislike still hits those you like.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think we should be telling people it’s “Okay” to be morbidly obese. It isn’t okay. It’s extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don’t see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.
Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don’t think it’s a universal taboo to mock people’s appearances.
Body positivity should be “It’s okay if you’re not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes.” Not “It’s okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight.”
You’re not wrong. Id add tho that there’s a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they’re raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don’t do them.
So I don’t disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.
I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don’t tell alcoholics they don’t need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.
I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.
And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.
I think it goes even beyond the addiction metaphor. There are people with genetically broken leptin response whose bodies just don’t know how to make them feel full, ever. Addiction is extremely powerful but so is starvation and you really can’t fault people for having this condition.
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Well, the bodyshaming is not limited to “morbidly obese” people. https://slrpnk.net/post/35736444
But if you deal with a fascist and your insults of choice is about their appearance… wtf are you doing? There is not better insults for fascists? “Hahaha fat” is the choice? And “fat” jokes hit all “fat” people, not only the “morbidly obese”. Body dysmorphia is real. People with eating disorders tend to think that they are fat.
Also I haven’t seen a lot of mocking of smokers but the number of smokers is going down… lack of mockery is no issue. People just want to be allowed to be cruel.
And where is the mockery for joining ice? Or do we want them to get fit, instead of stop being part of ice?
Nobody said anything about it being okay, just don’t use it as an insult/cudgel.
i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don’t know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.
We do know the life of these other people, some of the shittiest people of them all or they wouldn’t be willing to do this job.
Sorry, they deserve every possible shame they can get.
Edit. They drop the ice, I will drop the berg.
that’s not what i was talking about.
That is what you said. People I like don’t work for ice, and these people clearly do.
well, and you don’t like overweight people in general?
by all means, hate ice fucks, but if you’d call them fags for whatever reason, i’d throw stuff at you. because using fag as an insult is an attack on me. that is the structure i was talking about. insults that are based on groups are shit if you “don’t really” mean to shit on the whole group.
choose your insults wisely. :*
That is an interesting context, and I get what you mean.
Funny though that my gay friends would call them FagBergs if that bothered the ice monsters. They would be all for it, largely because they don’t find it insulting to be called fags, lol.
In any case you don’t choose if you are gay but you do choose to join ice. If it gets under their skin, I really don’t care what you call them.
If you weight 500lbs, it’s becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.
Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.
But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.
I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.
Obesity wouldn’t be the problem it is if it were just a personal choice. Plenty of people hardly have time for a healthy diet and lots of the quick, cheap, and easy options are calorie dense and addictive. It is very easy to unknowingly eat way too many calories without realizing it.
I won’t say I didn’t laugh at the joke. I did. But having been fat myself I can say that having people give me shit for my weight would never be helpful. Normalizing body shaming is more likely to create eating disorders and depression than it is to help fat people lose weight.
You don’t need to shame fat people to shame Nazis.
There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you’re a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.
You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.
I think it’s really hard for people living without “food noise” to understand that food noise is real.
Like man, there’s pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It’s fucking wild.
And there’s finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it’s expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.
Most people just don’t have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.
As someone who has spent the vast portion of their life clinically underweight, oddly, I know exactly what you’re describing when you say “food noise”.
See, I don’t really get hungry like “normal” people do, I usually only realise I’ve not eaten when I get to the stomach cramps stage. Never have done. I assume it’s an artefact of my autism or ADHD. (No, it’s not the stims I take as meds either, I wasn’t diagnosed till I was 33.)
However, the latest attempt with Mirtazapine to treat the chronic depression has given me an insight I would have lacked otherwise. One of it’s side effects is an increased appetite, which manifests exactly how you describe it. Once the dose hits my system, I become very aware of everything in the kitchen, and my brain won’t STFU about it.
It’s real, and you’re not imagining it. Which is all I can offer unfortunately. It’s not much, but the validation can be important sometimes. 💛
Likely too much nuance to matter, but in this case, the shame is relative to a fitness expectation for a certain kind of work, not relative to the expectations of wider society.
idc :)
There are exceptions to every rule. In this case, this is a huge exception.
All the fat people I know don’t consider themselves to be cop material, because they aren’t unbelievably stupid like these icebergs.
then blame cops for being cops.
You do accept that not all body types are appropriate for all occupations, right? Or are you really that far off the performative bleeding heart deep end?
I don’t know anyone of that girth
So only the people that you know deserve respect? /s
I used to be that girthy and would support the sentiment then and now.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, nobody cares.
Boooo, wokescolding running defense for fascists.
Honestly, if you get that big, there’s something wrong with you generally, or in my grandmother’s case she just never exercised, and ate junk food.
In anycase, body positivity toward that isn’t exactly something I would encourage.
calling names isn’t a way to motivate someone to live a healthier live. plus, is it really our responsibility?
No one is trying to motivate these shitbags to live a healthier life.
They’re pointing out that these people who often claim to be part of “the master race”, are some of the worst specimens of humanity, from a multitude of unhealthy angles
it. is. not. about. the. cops.
i feel like i clarified that enough for someone who never said something remotely in defense of ice.
antifascism that does not care about people they claim to protect (those with bodies that are deemed sub optimal, the “degenerates”, the “perverts”, the racialized …) is pointless at best.
there are more insults, not only those that shit on whole groups of people.
No, it is about the cops.
Being morbidly obese isn’t “suboptimal”, it’s literally an unhealthy state, and usually a [lifelong series of bad] choice(s).
I’m not calling anybody names for being overweight, but im not going to do what OP said either and give anybody a spiel about how we come in all different shapes and sizes. That’s not body positivity in this case. Its just lying to someone who needs a lifestyle change.
hate ice fore being ice. that’s the only lifestyle choice we need to criticise. (i’ll leave this discussion here.)
I challenge you to find a single person offended by this who isn’t law enforcement or chronically online.
… unless you dislike people with imperfect bodies.
people do seem to take this road.
Fuck these Nazis and I hope they die