Trump’s legal team also tried to throw cold water on the idea in a filing earlier this week, writing that the “events of January 6 were not an ‘insurrection’ as they did not involve an organized attempt to overthrow or resist the U.S. government.”

Trump disagrees, apparently.

“They kept saying about what I said right after the insurrection,” he said outside Mar-a-Lago after arguments concluded in Washington, D.C. “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

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      We should, because it’s the brain that has to beat Trump. We don’t have any better options, unfortunately.

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          I really thought in 2016 Bernie would splinter the democrats and we’d have a true left party. I also thought trump would create a new party on the right and the republicans would go back to being republicans. Can you imagine a 4 party system!

          To my surprise, the trump dragged the republicans even further to the right, and the democrats moved even more center-right to appease ex-republicans. So the whole nation just moved right, which is sad.

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          What better options? What names are well known to people? What people that are well known can overcome incumbency bias? Do any have literal decades of experience in congress and the white house?

          I would have preferred Bernie but throwing out names only a small percentage of the electorate will know is a fools gamble. And the DNC using marketing to get them well know would have been a huge waste of times and resources to build someone up when there’s already a good candidate sitting in the oval office. You’re not going to throw out a sitting President unless he’s WILDLY unpopular.

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            Barack Obama wasn’t very well known when he ran for president t. And he won twice.

            I think the point is that both the Dems and GOP are pigeon-holing themselves by only allowing one candidate to run. Why does it have to be that way? So what if there are 10 dems and 22 GOP to choose from? Or whatever.

            Make them actually have to work for it and let the American people decide. Scrap the first past the post rule and ditch the electoral college. Give the people their voices back. The way it works right now does not work. It’s high time everyone just admits to it.

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            He is wildly unpopular. A majority of Americans thinks he is too old to be an effective president. This has nothing to do with his record, but with the simple biological fact that our minds decay as we reach our 80s.

            For that same reason Trump is a terrible candidate as well, and I actually am not worried that a younger candidate with some name recognition will be able to defeat him. I am much more worried about Biden.

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            Gather every D senator and congressman into a giant circle and toss a stone into the air. Whoever it hits is likely better.

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              Granted, the odds are in your favor, but there are definitely some much worse options in that crowd.

              Are any of them running? Actually, forget that. Anyone currently running is probably a moron.

              Do they have the name recognition and wide appeal? Can they raise the money and give a good speech? Can they argue with a madman and win? Are any of them leaders, and if so, where the fuck have they been?

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            A friend of mine suggested Michelle Obama and I was like… That could actually have been a realistic option 🤔

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              No it absolutely could not. She doesnt want it and this is a racist and misogynist country. The GOP literally believes she’s a trans dude and their media tells them that every day.

              Stop trying to make MO happen. It’s not gonna happen.

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                It’s not as if any Democrat candidate was going to be sold as being great to the Republicans by their media so I don’t know why you think that’s an argument…

                The US has already elected a black president twice so I guess the racists don’t win overall? She’s also seen in a much better light than Hillary Clinton, I do think a woman could have won 2016 if she had been not-Clinton.

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                  Obama is a reaction to Bush and Iraq. Biden is a reaction to trump and fascism. Obama got shellaced in 2010. Democrats still do not control the Senate. Nothing has been the win you think it is.

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                    2008, Obama’s popular vote? 52.9%

                    2012? 51.1% (funny how he got elected twice with more than 50% of the vote in a country that’s so racist it wouldn’t elect a black person if it wasn’t for Bush? 🤔)

                    2016 Clinton’s? 48.18% (46.09% for Trump)

                    2020 with Harris as vice President? 51.31%

                    Looks to me like it’s not that a woman or a black person can’t win on their own merits, it’s that the electoral system is fucked up in the USA.

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              I would vote for him for anything, but he doesn’t want the job, and he isn’t running. Those are two important prerequisites to voting for the guy.

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          Our system rewards fund raisers. Why is it someone who able to raise money should run the country, I don’t know. Just how it is set up.

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        Maybe he decides to step down. I think the people are pretty well set on voting either Trump or [person against Trump]

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          Nah, I don’t think Harris has the charisma to rally the party. Biden needs to survive the election, and then he can step down after beating Trump if needed.

          Don’t get me wrong, I will vote for just about anybody over Trump, but I think it’s going to be a close race.

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              Everyone rally around the genocide, record oil extraction and arming of the border! Congratulations you saved America from Trump! Lol.

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        Sounds like y’all need to start over if this is the pinnacle of 250 years of political evolution.

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        I know this is nothing remotely new, but I feel like it’s justified to keep repeating it:

        US elections is a shitshow.

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          but I feel like it’s justified to keep repeating it:

          US elections is a shitshow.

          Apologies for being that guy, but just a FYI, only because you keep repeating it, it should be US elections are a shitshow, not ‘is’.

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            Honestly, that’s quite intriguing to me. I had originally written “politics” but decided to change it. Would that make a difference, or would it still be “are”? Also, I find it abit strange to use “[plural noun] are a [singular noun]”, but maybe this is just me repeating it too much, making it sound weird.

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      I’m worried about both. Neither should be president. Trump never should have been. Having 70 and 80+ year old presidents that couldn’t program a damned TV remote is just a showcase of how terrible our plutocracy has become.

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        You know, as long as you “both sides” a battle between fascism and not fascism, I’ll mark you down as being on the side of fascism.

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            And your argument is that we shouldn’t vote against(!) Hitler because the other candidate isn’t great, either. I think people like you are why we’ll be in a situation where this mess will look like paradise.

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                Right, but you implicitly said that they both don’t deserve the vote. So as a non-American, I fear that US citizens like you still haven’t grasped that their duty is to vote against Trump at all costs, no matter if the other option is a loaf of bread.

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                  I fear that US citizens like you still haven’t grasped that their duty is to vote against Trump at all costs, no matter how old the other candidate is.

                  The problem with that mindset is that you can be maneuvered by the party into having to do that over and over again, having your free will right (that other citizens have died for you to have it) of choice of who to vote for taken away from you.

                  I’m a lifelong democrat, but as an American I cannot in good conscious vote for either of them.

                  The responsibility is for my party to put someone up who I can vote for, and not for me to support the party no matter what.

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                    You’re being silly and dumb that’s how I figured you’re living in the U.S.

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      Yes, because he’s currently the president. There are more important things than some has-been Cheeto monster shouting at clouds, like the genocide the current sitting president is actively abetting.

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          Yeah, that’s definitely what I meant. I’d love another four years of Trump. /s

          How 'bout you just vote for the candidate that might put more than lip service towards stopping this generation’s Li’l Hitler? Here’s a hint: you won’t find them in either of the major parties.

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              He trolls every thread

              Says the person with over 3 times as many comments as me.

              A quick look in my history shows this is the second thread I’ve ever participated in in this community. Why lie? How do you benefit? Lemmy has no account Karma. Do you get some sort of satisfaction out of riling up the other dummies against the common enemy of nuance and understanding? Or are you just so offended by non-extremists invading your echo chamber that you have to lash out?

              The world isn’t black and white. There are at least 50 shades of gray. Probably more. You should try taking off your cool-guy sunglasses and looking around unfiltered. You might like what you see.

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              That’s not my job. My job as a citizen is to vote for the candidate I believe deserves the position, regardless of party affiliation.

              The only reason Democrats and Republicans rose to the top is thay they once held the most generic, inoffensive views that people from the less popular “third” parties could support when it eventually became clear they didn’t have chance at winning. That’s no longer the case, so why continue voting like it is? Change has to start somewhere, and it sure as hell isn’t going to come from someone who benefits from maintaining the status quo.

              If everybody voted with hope and optimism rather than despair and cynicism, we might have more variety than blue dick vs red asshole.

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                I am curious… do you think that there is any realistic chance that someone other than the two main candidates will win the upcoming election?

                Wouldn’t you agree that this ‘change’ of being able to vote for a candidate who both deserves the position and also actually has a chance of winning, is not going to happen this year regardless of how you vote?

                Unless something major happens very soon, it’s going to be one or the other. Most voters are not happy with this reality, particularly Biden voters, but this is the reality we find ourselves in.

                I am happy to hear you express a desire to end the genocide and destruction of Palestine. A large portion of Biden voters agree with you on that point.

                Other than his age and his ‘soft on Israel’ position, I happen to think Biden has done a decent job. But let’s assume I am wrong and he has done a terrible job. Would he be worse than trump? Would trump be worse?

                Would you agree or disagree that, like it or not, we are in a ‘lesser of two evils’ situation?

                Here is your chance to prove that you are not just a troll. These are genuine question which I hope you will answer honestly, however you may truly feel.

                If you prefer trump, just say it, you have the right to your opinions. Pulling the ‘genocide Joe - vote third party’ card comes across as disingenuous, far-right propaganda.

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                  Sorry, dude, but I don’t feel the need to prove I’m not a far-right provocateur simply because I acknowledge that Joe Biden and his administration are knowingly abetting an active genocide. I cannot in good conscience vote for him or anyone who supports Israel’s aggression. If I thought Trump would actually try to stop it, I’d vote for him, but I know he won’t, so no, I don’t prefer Trump.

                  I’m normally not a single-issue voter, but there is an immediate risk of an entire culture being wiped out, and while I’m too poor to send any aid myself, if there’s even the tiniest chance that enough people are as done with the left/right, red/blue bullshit as I am to vote for someone who’ll actually try to help, I have to take that chance, infinitesimal though it may be.

                  I’d rather live on the false hope of a better world than the false hope of a not-even-worse one. We’re all fucking fucked no matter what we do, so why not hope for the best and act accordingly? Maybe it’ll catch on.

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                    I’d rather live on the false hope of a better world than the false hope of a not-even-worse one.

                    This is not the choice you have, that’s my point.

                    Your choices are false hope of a better world, or the reality of a not-even-worse one.

                    One of the two will win, and one of the two is certainly worse.

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                That’s not my job. My job as a citizen is to vote for the candidate I believe deserves the position, regardless of party affiliation.

                Thank you, citizen.

                I get that you are in a downvotes storm right now, but for what it’s worth, you’re right, and I agree with what you’re saying.

                It’s the party’s responsibility to put someone up that is capable of doing the job successfully, and have them earn the votes, and not just being coerced into voting for one party for the sake of the country, and then having that repeated again and again.

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        Biden isn’t abetting any genocide harder than Xi though. That guy (Xi) loves genocides and you can’t disagree or you’re propagandized.