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    it’s true kids, doing sports and spending more than one minute per year outdoors will clear that computer ghoul look right up

    it is weird how his eyes changed color though

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    The only reason people make fun of Zuckerberg for being a lizard jokes is because he’s Jewish and it’s a subconscious kneejerk racist reaction deep inside Americans

    Same reason why they make fun of him for being evil (and Elon Musk too) when really people are just making fun of him and Elon for being autistic whenever they act weird

    Consider: Americans don’t hate Gates, Bezos, or any of the Google founders anywhere near to the same degree. And notice how Bezos gets the most hate out of this list and he’s bald

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        No, I’ve pointed this out before how the robot memes are based on mocking these people for seeming autistic. Comparing autistic people to robots ia a whole thing, and while it is more complicated in media than being always unacceptable (ie Data is a beloved autistic icon) in this instance someone’s humanity is being stripped for looking and behaving like me. I blossomed under Covid specifically because wearing a mask means I don’t need to fake emoting how allistics expect me to emote.

        There only isn’t more pushback because there’s little faith people will take ableism seriously enough to drop a shitty bit. We already don’t tolerate calling Hillary Clinton a man or whatever other transmisogynistic garbage, the difference is that most of us are tauglht early on that sexism is bad, while transphobia is a central issue in the culture war - everything else follows from that and one can expect a struggle session to ultimately end in the favor of those pushing back against bigoted language, at least in most leftist spaces. Ableism meanwhile is pretty acceptable even on the left, it’s not just chuds doing it so it isn’t as easy to expect leftists to automatically confront it, and so a lot of us just let it slide knowing we are just going to be mocked for saying anything so we might as well play along with it

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          I get your points but I don’t think Zuckerberg nor Musk are autistic and even if they were they dont behave the way they do for being autistic, but rather because they are soulles psycopathic shitstains with too much money

          Maybe calling a psycopath a shitstain for being a psycopath is ableism since they can’t help it, but eh

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      Zuckerberg and Musk both feature themselves heavily in their company’s marketing, unlike Google’s founders. It’s hard to see any news about the companies without seeing those two.

      Also Americans hate Gates and Bezos? I hear people shittalk them far more often than Zuckerberg in real life. Especially Gates, since he’s the center of a lot of conspiracy theories too

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        Yeah Bezos gets the least criticism from “the average person” because he’s nowhere to be seen. Gates pretends to be a humanitarian which means being involved with the government and NGOs and other weirdo shit like Epstein. And Zuckerberg and Elon, as you said, are essential to their brands

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      The last thing I think about when I talk about Zuckerberg is his Jewishness lol. Zuckerberg is about as visibly Jewish as Drake. That is, not at all. The only people in wider society who even remember they’re Jewish are weirdos and reactionaries obsessed with their backgrounds

      Why do you assume these people are autistic? Have you ever considered they’re just spoiled brats who were never taught to act properly because wealth doesn’t care about being decent people? Both Zuckerberg and Musk have demonstrated anti social behavior from their youth, from Zuckerberg scraping pictures of female students for male students to rate without their consent to Musk bullying other children about their dead parents. Maybe it’s autism, but their behavior aligns with run of the mill reactionaries regardless of whatever cognitive functions they have or don’t have. No one is thinking “HAHA AUTISM” when these people open their mouths because the majority of autistic people aren’t doing disturbing shit like them. Also, if you’ve ever seen Zuckerberg in public, he’s surrounded by bodyguards who treat him like a baby. This man has never wiped his own ass maybe except when he was in college. Is it any surprise he’s so awkward?

      Consider: Americans don’t hate Gates, Bezos, or any of the Google founders anywhere near to the same degree. And notice how Bezos gets the most hate out of this list and he’s bald

      They do hate them, but also defend them (and Zuckerberg) because they “deserve” their wealth. But that aside, the reason people don’t call Bezos or Gates lizards is because they don’t act so strangely in public. Bezos is walking around flexing fancy silk shirts with his model wife while Gates is pretending to be a benevolent humanitarian while Zuckerberg is pretending to be social on live streams, wearing the same clothes, and talking about virtual worlds. Have you seen the way Bezos text? I don’t see anyone speculating about whether he has autism or whatever lol.

      People don’t call Zuckerberg a pedophile even though that’s a popular slander against anyone remotely liberal or Jewish because there’s no evidence he is unlike Gates.

      Also the CEO of Google is Indian American. If you think there’s no vitriol against him then you must be cherry picking your comments.

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        The last thing I think about when I talk about Zuckerberg is his Jewishness lol. Why do you assume these people are autistic? Have you ever considered they’re just spoiled brats who were never taught to act properly because wealth doesn’t care about being decent people? Both Zuckerberg and Musk have demonstrated anti social behavior from their youth, from Zuckerberg scraping pictures of female students for male students to rate without their consent to Musk bullying other children about their dead parents. Maybe it’s autism, but their behavior aligns with run of the mill reactionaries regardless of whatever cognitive functions they have or don’t have. No one is thinking “HAHA AUTISM” when these people open their mouths because the majority of autistic people aren’t doing disturbing shit like them

        Sure, but that’s not hte joke in the OP. The joke in the OP is that Zuckerberg looks like a robot, which is a pretty well known anti-autistic trope that we aren’t human because we do not emote how an allistic does. It doesn’t even matter whether he’s diagnosed as autistic or not, that he passes as such and gets shit for not emoting (a thing I don’t do “correctly” either) is still having the effect of stigmatizing autism, just as accusations of Michelle Obama being a man are still transmisogynistic (and racist) even though she’s cis. Nobody should need a diagnosis to not get shit for having a “weird” face or showing what allistics think are “human” emotions. And Musk is very openly autistic.

        They do hate them, but also defend them (and Zuckerberg) because they “deserve” their wealth. But that aside, the reason people don’t call Bezos or Gates lizards is because they don’t act so strangely in public. Bezos is walking around flexing fancy silk shirts with his model wife while Gates is pretending to be a benevolent humanitarian while Zuckerberg is pretending to be social on live streams, wearing the same clothes, and talking about virtual worlds. Have you seen the way Bezos text? I don’t see anyone speculating about whether he has autism or whatever lol.

        They don’t call them lizards because they aren’t Jewish. Lizard people is a known antisemitic conspiracy theory. That’s the joke. We shouldn’t even be entertaining using “jokes” from Alex Jones types, that he’s Jewish should make calling him a lizard person unacceptable. We shouldn’t really be calling anyone lizard people for the same reason, but especially not a Jewish person. You’re probably right that most people aren’t aware that he’s Jewish, but the people who started calling him a lizard person sure as shit did and are probably quite pleased they got normies parroting their shit.

        People don’t call Zuckerberg a pedophile even though that’s a popular slander against anyone remotely liberal or Jewish because there’s no evidence he is unlike Gates.

        Yeah, because we’re not defending Zuckerberg as a person. I don’t particularly care if he’s slandered as a pedophile other than wanting people to have an accurate picture of why he’s a piece of shit. We’re defending autistic people from the friendly fire of brocialists doing shitty bits that stigmatize who we are because it manifested in a billionaire we hate.

        Also the CEO of Google is Indian American. If you think there’s no vitriol against him then you must be cherry picking your comments.

        If we’re gonna focus on who’s overall hated more, yeah. I don’t think the person you responded to should have necessarily made this about XYZ billionaire is hated more because they pass as autistic, but the ways they are attacked view the fact they pass as autistic as a vulnerability that can be freely exploited for cheap dunks, because how autistic comrades feel about it don’t matter to brocialists.

        Zuckerberg is about as visibly Jewish as Drake. That is, not at all. The only people in wider society who even remember they’re Jewish are weirdos and reactionaries obsessed with their backgrounds

        Again, it doesn’t matter if most people don’t know he’s Jewish. The people who do know push the lizard memes and are very happy that it’s mainstream to call a hated Jew running the world a lizard person, it grants them plenty of cover to be antisemitic in public and get away with it.

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          Yeah, because we’re not defending Zuckerberg as a person. I don’t particularly care if he’s slandered as a pedophile other than wanting people to have an accurate picture of why he’s a piece of shit. We’re defending autistic people from the friendly fire of brocialists doing shitty bits that stigmatize who we are because it manifested in a billionaire we hate.

          The people who do know push the lizard memes and are very happy that it’s mainstream to call a hated Jew running the world a lizard person, it grants them plenty of cover to be antisemitic in public and get away with it.

          You’re right there I suppose. I guess it’s similar to complaining about Soros all the time as if he’s the ultimate puppeteer and not just another run of the mill capitalist in the giant sea of capitalists.

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        Why do you assume these people are autistic?

        They don’t have to actually be autistic for them to be made fun of for anti-autism sentiment

        It’s like how cis women will randomly catch a stray bullet from transphobia

    • RollaD20 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.net
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      Lowkey agree, but I also don’t know how worth it the fight it is so I tend not to push back on it as there are worse ways the rhetoric could manifest. shrug-outta-hecks

      Luckily it seems that Elon has overtaken the zuck in terms of hatred out of his pure incompetence so… shrug-outta-hecks

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        And Musk is openly autistic. He at least animates “correctly” so people focus more on his ludicrous billionaire bullshit, but there’s still problematic aspects to how he gets mocked.

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      notice how Bezos gets the most hate out of this list and he’s bald

      No I have literally never made that connection or noticed that. The connection I made was he created and runs an incredibly ghoulish company.

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      Americans don’t hate… Bezos

      Counterpoint, Bezos’ creepy ass sexts that broke his prenup are way more compelling evidence that he is a space alien than Zuckerberg being a nerd or Elon being creepy.

      I’ve encountered people about as weird as Elon or Zuck irl, who the fuck sexts someone “alive girl”???

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      They are evil and there’s plenty to back that up, but yeah the lizard and robot “jokes” are socially acceptable ways for supposedly progressive people to get in on reactionary bits. There’s so many ways to attack them for the things they actually do and people want to focus on the fact he literally looks autistic and do the shitty robot bit we all dealt with in school.

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        I’m not sure how Zuckerberg “looks” autistic. I didn’t know autistic people have a distinct look. He looks like any other guy. In fact he was quite handsome during the hayday of Facebook, but he decided to get a Caesar cut to feed his ego and that’s when he started looking like a literal robot. No one was making fun of his looks when he was younger

        He’s looking better now after ditching the atrocious cut and going back to the curly style

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          I’ve never heard anything about Zuck being autistic, and honestly I didn’t know he was Jewish until now. Also I think he looks pretty normal in this photo. Maybe a bit nerdy but normal.

          Musk has said he’s autistic and I don’t doubt it, but he is also a piece of shit. I am myself autistic and will be the first to tell everyone, you can totally be autistic and a horrible human being.

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          He looks autistic because he doesn’t emote how people expect, so people call him a robot and other anti-autistic comparisons. This is aside from the whole “computer ghoul” look mentioned in another thread that’s also very stereotypically associated with autism.