Many voters supporting the former president also rated him as more truthful than their own friends and family

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    It’s because they are literal fascists.

    Yeah, I’ve said it a bunch of times. Gonna keep saying it, because it’s true.

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      Are you ready for the people who don’t understand what fascism is to tell you that you’ve got it wrong?

      It blows my mind that people can’t accept that the Nazis had the same enemies that the Christian Nationalists do today: sexual, religious, and ethnic minorities & leftists. It’s not a coincidence, it’s a plan.

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        It’s the way history is taught in the US. We gloss over any wrong-doing by US leaders, whitewash American history while discussing pretty openly the failings of other states and forms of government…US educated children are (and I mean this word…literally) LITERALLY brainwashed into thinking that things like the vague concept of “fascism” existing only in Germany in the 30s-40s. If it’s not actual swastikas and red flags on every street corner with Jews being rounded up and killed by the millions…then it can’t be fascism.

        Our education system is severely lacking in a lot of ways, but not knowing how to put history in proper context while explaining how everything that’s happened has led to today and the exact conditions we are in now is one of its gravest failures.

        Not to mention, painting capitalism—a system that breeds people to viciously live in spite of others—as infallible and the final and only answer. That’s another horrible heavy dose of indoctrination that is just treated as a given.

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        Are you ready for the people who don’t understand what fascism is to tell you that you’ve got it wrong?

        Yup.

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    It doesn’t matter what they say…

    Because they just fucking lie about everything.

    Like a spouse that hits you and says it’s because “they love you so much”. That’s obviously not the real reason, but if they were honest there might be consequences so they just say some random bullshit.

    Indictments or not, 100% of these idiots would still be voting for trump

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      I don’t think that’s true. The indictments have actually caused a surge in support for Trump. Many of these voters are specifically supporting him because of the indictments, as horrifying as that is.

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    Because he’s the only candidate who has expressly promises to make the lives of people they hate worse

    Of course, that means their own lives will be worse, but they’re not smart

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      There’s an old Russian proverb about a man who finds some magic creature, I can’t remember what exactly. It tells him he can have anything he wants, on the condition that his greatest enemy will get the same thing. “In that case,” the man says, “take one of my eyes…”

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          No, I think the point was that many people would rather make their enemies suffer alongside themselves than share in something good.

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            I mean was the Russian proverb that you can wish for what you want, but your worst enemy will get twice as much. Answering losing one eye means your worst enemy will lose two.

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    Despite Trump’s countless lies, 71 percent of Trump voters believe he is a source of “true” information, beating even their own friends and family, who ranked second with 63 percent.

    We have a term for this in English. It’s called a cult.

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      It was always weird to me how cults worked even with people’s friends and family saying otherwise. But here it is.

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        Years of conditioning from all angles to create an alternate reality. Happens all over the world.

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    It’s because he’s making himself out to be a martyr who is challenging a corrupt system, which is why “the system” doesn’t like him and is trying to steal what is rightfully his.

    See? He’s the one fighting the true corruption!!

    Honestly, anyone who still buys into this shit at this point is dead to me.

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    Trump has the support of 62 percent of likely Republican primary voters, while his nearest opponent, Ron DeSantis, trails him with a measly 16 percent. That’s a 7 point drop in DeSantis support among those voters just since June.

    Oh my god that’s not even close.

    Unless he literally dies, Trump will be the nominee.

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      That’s a GOOD thing.

      Because while he has his rabid supporters, he also has a ton of people who hate him. He lost last time and even more dirt has been dug up about him since then, so if Trump is the nominee that would be one of the best things for the Democrats. 62% of likely GOP voters is only about 20% of the US voting population. If most of the rest of the people vote against him, he would have a hard time winning.

      The only thing better would be if Trump ran 3rd party and split the right-wing vote.

      That would potentially cause lasting division between conservatives which would greatly weaken their power. Historically one of the things that have given Republicans the power that they have had over the years is their unity. While Democrats are like wrangling cats who all have different agendas and can’t be corralled to do anything together, Republicans almost always fall in-line and support whoever their leader is. So even in districts where they have a smaller population, they have typically been able to give Democrats a run for their money. Splitting that right-wing vote between the Republican party and some Trump part would be the best thing to happen to the US in decades.

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        It would be perfect, but if Trump becomes the nominee it won’t happen, and the other gremlins don’t have enough support to pull significant numbers away. The people who claim to prefer DeSantis just want a Trumpian who’s winning; choosing between the wounded but still wildly popular real thing versus the flagging knockoff isn’t much of a real choice to them.

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          I agree. Only Trump has the pull to spin off to a 3rd party. That’s where it gets dicey. For short term gains it will be better if he just gets the GOP nomination, but what would be better long-term for the country is if Trump lost the GOP nomination and then decided to start his own party. I think there would be a certain percentage of MAGAts which would turn their backs on the Republican party indefinitely if that happened. That would be fantastic for the country as a whole if it could happen.

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            Alternatively it could be disastrous. Say Trump runs 3rd party and splits the vote with DeSantis, so Biden wins but gets fewer votes than both conservative candidates combined. Who’s to say southern states wouldn’t just reject the results and treat it as an election between Trump and DeSantis?

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              Biden wins but gets fewer votes than both conservative candidates combined.

              HOW? The numbers just wouldn’t work that way.

              Right now, Democrats, Independents and Republicans (very) roughly each represent 1/3 of the voters in the US. (note, I am rounding all the numbers, so the percentages won’t exactly add up to 100%)

              Roughly 1/2 of Independents usually side with Democrats. So right there, that’s 33% + 17% = 50% should go to Biden.

              For this analysis, let’s say that 1/2 of Independents would be split roughly equally between the GOP and some 3rd party. That means the GOP would get 9% of Independents and the Trump party would get the last 9%.

              DeSatan would get about 17% + 9% = 26% of all votes.

              Trump would do the same 17% + 9% = 26% of all votes.

              Even if all of the conservative Independents went to DeSatan, he still couldn’t win. 17% + 17% = 34%, while in this same scenario, Trump would get just 17% of the total vote.

              There is no way that if you split the conservative vote that either DeSatan or Trump could win without pulling some kind of crazy upset where they duped a ton of Democrats or liberal Independents to vote for them. And I just don’t see that as being possible. Not on a scale where it would flip a 3-way election like this.

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            It really would be ideal.

            The other path is the republicans work to get him barred from running via jan 6. That seems plausibly like something they would do to cut him out. How hardcore trumpers take that, idk.

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              The base that has been getting little hits of dopamine over the years from dogwhistles and winks has been given pure heroin in Trump and they are NOT going back. The Republican establishment knows this, which is why all but a few in very safe positions (Romney’s hold on Utah comes to mind) are either bending the knee or trying to outdo Trump.

              Not to mention their main criticism of him was that he lost the most recent election, and his endorsements are poison. He delivered their SCOTUS picks, their federal judges, killed Roe, helped galvanize a wave of anti-queer legislation, got them that tax handjob for the rich: he’s their attack dog and they love him, they just hate cleaning up after him.

              They know that if Trump has a shot at the presidency and they kill that then they’ve lost that base, that funding juggernaut, that good will from fascist media. They’re stuck in a cage of their own making but if he wins they’re on cloud 9 again.

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      There are a bunch of even dumber Trumps who can fill in when that happens…

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    Trying to find any melanin in that crowd shot is literally the worst kind of “Where’s Waldo”.

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      Just such an insane photo in general.

      The all white crowd? The absolutely insane looking lady, holding the scared looking baby? The “Thank You, Lord JESUS, FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP” sign?

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    This is TDS just on the Trump side, complete morons, anyone who idolizes politicians is dumb as fuck

    Look at that woman’s face….

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    Predominately these are people that will vote anyone in that be burn down their house. The more evil the better as they dream of a chaotic revolution.

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    Despite Trump’s countless lies, 71 percent of Trump voters believe he is a source of “true” information, beating even their own friends and family, who ranked second with 63 percent

    And they deserve to be cut out forever after this. There are no words for this kind of behavior.