Another thing, why didn’t Russia stop with Donbas if it was only about “saving the Russians” in eastern Ukraine? Why did they go for Kiev immediately in 2022? It is quite clear that this current war was never (at least only) about saving “prosecuted Russians”.

They went for the head to make a quick peace negotiation. Not joining NATO is a big one in the deal and stop Azov from shelling Donbas/Donetsk. Peace deal fell apart thanks to Boris Johnson.

Fears of peace talks with Putin rise amid US squabbling

Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed

The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did

Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I’ll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it’s barely related, but it is worth a mention too)

Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that.

My ‘hot’ take is that your unsubstantiated assertion is contradicted by Putin’s history. He was on the anti-communist side in the 90s, he has been against any sort of return to a planned economy throughout his terms, he has been in favour of stuff like monetisation of welfare, etc.

It’s extremely silly to assert that he wants to ‘bring back his glorious USSR’ when his actions directly contradict that.

I bet you’re great at math

I more or less agree with what others here have been telling you.

Same here, hence the preface, but I did feel comfortable enough in said analysis to post my reply.

I think you could also describe Russian foreign policy in the Middle East (namely Syria) as “adventurism.” AFAIK they’re still occupying parts of Syria with no real exit strategy. While this was done at the request of Syria’s government in order to combat ISIS, Putin hasn’t let the opportunity pass him by to build oil pipelines and whatnot.

Russia has always been called “the sick old man of Europe” for a reason.

The US’s “Uyghur genocide” (“cultural” or otherwise) disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.

• The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
• The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
• Uyghur genocide allegations
• US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
• A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
• The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

Credit to @davel@lemmygrad.ml

Ok, why yes and yes? Where is the evidence that there’s an ongoing genocide in China? Please, as I said in the original post in .world, provide any evidence from 2022 onwards.

The claims of genocide against Uyghurs originated from and have been supported by since and rejected by most rest of the world.

also committed a genocide in Namibia and killed up to as many as 150,000 people over a century ago. The mechanisms and media was also used as a “blueprint” for the Holocaust/Final Solution.

Fast forward to the present, starts wailing at Namibia for establishing closer ties with China and the then-president Habe Geingob very openly accusing of , stating that China never belittles or infantilises them. Of course, Namibia (and South Africa) obviously rejects the claims of genocide against Uyghurs.

starts yet another extermination campaign against Palestine, with very clear goals of a Final Solution. in response, starts sending hundreds of millions of Euros in aid to . Worth noting that also supports the Uyghur genocide claims with the words “Free Uyghurs” written on the bombs being launched at apartment towers, hospitals, mosques and UN schools.

So South Africa finally takes the violent Nazi brat to court and immediately goes into , screaming at South Africa while Namibia tells the Olaf SSchwanz to sit down.

Meanwhile, China is not starving or bombing the Uyghurs, nor have they been forced into an extermination camp the size of municipal Johannesburg. Life expectancy, literacy rates, incomes, education have all increased. Homes now all have electricity, hot water and working toilets, there’s widespread access to primary and higher education, medical treatment and is now united with the rest of China by high-speed rail. Infant mortality and crime has dropped significantly. There has not been a terror attack in nearly a decade and the desperation fueled by poverty is no longer present. Xinjiang is also now a highly important hub for mechanised agriculture and industry. The Belt and Road runs through it and in recent times, large quantities of lithium, oil and other valuable minerals have been found in the province. Uyghur culture is also frequently promoted on Chinese media and tourism both domestic and foreign, has grown. Uyghurs also have Chinese citizenship. China has also finally supported South Africa’s case in the ICJ.

Hope that clears it up for you. If not, then

Death to America

I have a give and take relationship with people on the internet.

Yeah “nothing then” is giving to the detailed reply you received

“Respect me while I act like a smug dipshit”

Lol, no. You started acting like a child, and strangers online who know better than you are under no obligation to wipe your stupid ass for you. Read a single book or stop your whining, loser.

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I just thought an Einstein fan might be interested in reading his thoughts on communism, and Hexbear would be the place where people point it out as a board of communists who have a shortlist of articles that they reflexively post (Ask someone about brainwashing next). It has no bearing on the alleged uyghur genocide stuff.

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it’s for you to not read, just ilke you won’t read https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

and then keep flapping your ignorant mouth repeating the same embarrassing lies that get broadcast on TV as if we haven’t heard them. then we bring up easily verifiable facts and information you’ve never heard in mass media, and you ignore it because you’re a spoiled western chauvinist who just wants the treats to keep flowing

Funny how the mind of the western barbars can’t comprehend that this place isn’t another internet space dominated by the American monoculture

I’m not the one throwing shit at everyone in the thread in order to make terrible actions by a country look better

If I had to guess I would say all social interaction is your weakness

You want civilians to die for world politics

You say this like “politics” is some nebulous, worthless thing. People typically want wars that are disruptive of the status quo because they view it as the only way to change systems in which, e.g., a much greater number of civilians live under brutal oppression, as their grandparents did and their grandchildren will if the state machinery is not smashed. You’re like the people who bemoan the Haitian Revolution because some white families died with no concern for the fact that it was a slave state and the revolution stopped, it cannot be stressed enough, the continuous, literal chattel enslavement of an entire country’s worth of people.

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

– Mark Twain on France’s “Reign of Terror”

Quick question,do you support Hamas?

you’re a hypocrite who is ok with innocent Ukrainian civilians getting killed by an invasion force

You are literally okay with things like your genocide of Palestinians, your atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, etc., colonialism in general.

I am whatever you say I am

No one is saying it to be clever; they mean it in a very literal and practical way because they see you as belonging on Reddit.

First time I’m saying that to a non-LW user.

You get that alot ig? I can see why.

You really like to throw “go back to reddit” around a lot. It’s getting borderline unoriginal

Yeah cuz this is so goddamn original

Let’s do an experiment. Russia had no business attacking Ukraine