I guess they really want Israel to stop!
My country supports, finances, and obviously encourages genocide and I don’t know how to stop it. I vote, I protest, I vote with my money yet there is no end in sight to the massacre.
I don’t know how to stop it. I don’t want to be party to innocent people being slaughtered anymore.
We can only do so much. Our country does not care in the slightest about its people, only corporations and billionaires
Have you tried voting harder?
Hardest
Normal people: “Israel is starting to become the aggressor”
Christian muricans: “B-b-but the b-bible!!”
Every dollar saved because of “defensive aid” gets spent on offensive weapons…
If they had to pay for their own defense, they wouldn’t be able to start so many wars at once.
If they had to pay for their own defense they wouldn’t exist.
That’s… A good thing.
Not while I’m paying for them
Bombing other people isn’t fucking self defense…
I have no issues with funding actual defense mechanisms like the iron dome and whatever. Small munitions, bulletproof vests, whatever you need to DEFEND your citizens I’m cool with. When it turns outward and you start “military operations” against other countries that’s when I say good fucking luck on your own.
I have issue with supporting an apartheid state. I think aid should be conditioned on Israel granting full citizenship to Palestinians.
You want to give them even more power over Palestinians?
That would make their version of parliament roughly half Palestinian. More if the right of return was generally enforced. (Just allowing them to move back into the country) So the resulting country would actually be pretty fair to them as long as the apartheid part really is gotten rid of.
The opposite, granting Palestinians citizenship allows them to potentially control the government.
Compare that to any point in our lifetime, where Israel has been their defacto government: Palestinians must report each birth, each change of address to a “foreign” government. If they want to leave their country, they must seek permission from the “foreign” government. If they want to visit their family across town, they must present identification to a “foreign” government.
Citizenship ends apartheid.
Ah, I missed the “full” part. Yes, that would be great, but I don’t doubt that they’d still be treated as second-class citizens.
Source for that?
They’re trying to make sure other nations don’t exist.
Sure, here’s a professor of International relations in Israel:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-could-israel-manage-without-us-support-1001473884
Asked whether Israel could get by without US economic and diplomatic support, Benjamin Miller, Professor of International Relations, and the Director of the National Security Center at the University of Haifa, gives a one word answer - “No.”
He’s talking about being able to continue the genocide.
But but we are pushing for a cease fire. What a smoke screen.
Under US procurement rules, every dollar is to be spent for designated material. In this case, probably for Iron Dome rocket motors which the US supplies. So far this year Hezbolah has launched 8,000 iranian rockets into Isreal, yesterday 300. To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
That’s a hilarious assumption when we’ve done this with everything up to and including 2,000 pound dumb bombs in the last year.
I actually read the article. Did you?
Maybe Israel should pull itself up by its bootstraps and get a second job
To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
Israel legally can’t get any US aid or arms. Period. It’s not ambiguous and maybe if they’re left defenseless they’ll consider maybe treating the people they’re oppressing as… people.
So, let’s not cower in the corner…are you voting to leave the Israeli citizens defenseless?
Yes, exactly. Support for their defense is the same as support for their offense from a simple economic point of view. Your logic stops working when trying to wipe a small country’s worth of people out.
You are no better than those that murdered and took hostages on October 7th.
Uh… Okay I guess.
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Yes. They’re currently engaged in massive war crimes, including the use of starvation as a weapon as identified by the US State Department. They are absolutely ineligible for military aid.
But they aren’t actually defenseless. They still have the most sophisticated military in the region.
Then you are no better than those that murderer on Oct9ber 7th and took hostages. Congratulations
And don’t forget karma
To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
Because Israel is an impoverished nation which can’t terrorise others without the US’s funding?
So, there’s a vote to leave them defenseless.
You’re a joke.
Really? So you don’t want to leave them defenseless?
You guys really are a bunch of cowards.
I don’t think it’s so clear what some of the money is going to. From the article:
the package includes $3.5 billion for “essential wartime procurement” […] and a $5.2 billion grant for air defenses. The ministry said the $5.2 billion for air defenses “will significantly strengthen critical systems such as Iron Dome…"
With Hezbollah launching rockets towards civilians, I am in favor of strengthening the Iron Dome. But it sounds like that $3.5 billion could be to resupply Israel for their attacks on Gaza, thereby enabling new ones.
If it is earmarked for purely defensive equipment, it still indirectly funds their genocide by freeing up other money for it.
"essential wartime procurement” indicates material that has previously supplied. This could be anything from bombs to training.
So Biden is better for Gaza… Right?
Biden is done. There’s no comparison with Trump anymore.
What are you assuming to be the alternatives?
Not funding this genocide, which Biden is fully capable of doing.
The alternatives to funding Israel’s genocide?
Yes, realistic alternatives that would make the US government stop support for the genocide before it is finished.
Not funding the genocide and thereby stopping the genocide seems like a good alternative.
Yes, obviously. Any idea on how to convince the government to do that?
Protest.
Write to your representatives.
Withhold endorsement until one of the candidates adopts the policy position you (and a majority of Americans) prefer.
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