13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
What the actual fuck?
Who did they poll? How was the poll conducted? If it’s a phone poll you’re going to get old people, no one younger than 40 is going to do a phone poll. And most old people are conservatives. When it comes to polls, it’s very easy to manipulate the results either in how it’s done or how the results are interpreted.
If only there were some sort of article you could click on and read which would answer these questions for you. Maybe with a link directly to that poll.
Alas…
A third of Americans are xenophobic bigots. Got it.
Meanwhile they proudly exclaim their great great great great grand daddy came in on the Mayflower.
They also love to claim that they had a great-grandmother who was “full-blooded Cherokee” (it’s almost always Cherokee) and if you check their DNA, nope. All European.
As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.
People forget very quickly. Just look at what’s happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It’s like everyone’s ignoring history.
You don’t have to be German. Just slightly educated.
Unfortunately, it’s specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
I’m struggling here to avoid being offensive - but really, Americans often appear to me to be averaging subhuman intelligence.
Yesterday I was reading about Latino MAGA’s who just assume Trump isn’t talking about them…
I’m not saying America is the center of world intellectualism, but you’re also getting quite a selection bias since “stupid American” stories are even popular to other Americans.
I thought that same
But actually, after visiting Denver I was super surprised by how friendly and normal people were
I’d easily live there (and no, I’m not a weed smoker. Never tried it, no plans to, do doesn’t influence my decision)
I agree.
America for Native Americans.
So all the Caucasians must leave? How dumb are you?
No but they will be encouraged to return to their natural habitat.
At first.
Fine. Deport my ass back to Ireland. 🇮🇪
13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that. What the actual fuck?
No surprise? People have nuanced views, different opinions, from left to center to right, even hardcore racist ones… and vote Democrats. Just as you could find conservatives who do not agree with the statement.
The statement is so vague and loaded and can be agreed or disagreed with from all kinds of people.
Edit: And yes it’s quite ironic(?) that so many people agree with this - in a country where people unironically track that they’re 12% German, or 20% Irish, or whatever.
Which bloodline would that be? The great Royal bloodline of the Ancient American Empire?
What about all those people saying they’re 1/16th Cherokee?
Seems like the usual 1/3 that agrees with trump on whatever. Not gonna change.
There are only a few counties in the world that draw the smartest and most accomplished from the rest of the world. The USA is pretty high on that list. This gives the USA an unfair advantage worldwide in several ways:
US schools and businesses get to pick from the best and brightest worldwide, promoting an atmosphere of high performance STEM jobs.
US replaces lost high education and high IQ population, since there is a negative correlation between education level and reproduction.
Finally, if you think in terms of winners vs losers, which I feel MAGAs do these days, other countries lose their best and brightest, making them less competitive to the USA.
And of course don’t forget that the vast majority of Americans come from families that immigrated, and few would argue that they themselves should be sent back “to where they came from”.
No matter how you look at it, immigration is extremely advantageous to the USA if handled properly and an enviable position that many other countries wish they could be in.
“think of how dumb the average guy is. Now remember that half the population is dumber than him.” – George Carlin.
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Compare to George W. Bush, who said:
“We’re also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways.”
and:
“Some in this country argue that the solution is to — is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree. It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border.”
and:
“We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans.”
I’m not saying G.W. was good or anything, but god damn that’s a big change from what we see now from Republicans.
I got a lot of heat for saying it before, but as a Latino, out of all his shit, racist is not something I ever got from Bush. He did a lot for Africa in terms of foreign aid, more than any president before him. He has positive things to say about immigration like you mentioned, and he grew up around a lot of Latinos, and his brother is married to a Mexican. So I never saw his family as racists. Fuck how is it possible I’m missing the Bush family?
You never saw GW Bush as racist, but Middle Eastern Americans would disagree because leaders at that time didn’t do enough to combat the wave of Islamophobia which occurred after 9/11. Now it’s just the Latinos turn being the scapegoat. Republicans almost always play the racism card, just the target is different. Americans deserve better.
Edit to point out that when I say “Republicans” in my post, I mean the talking heads. I know individuals and people who may vote Republican may not necessarily feel the same
13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
More proof of fake respondents. Basically some people, for whatever reason (depending on the poll it could be financial) just speed run the polls with no thought about what they’re clicking on. So it makes any extremely unpopular view appear more supported. I can’t find much about how this was done, if it was an online opt-in poll I’d be especially suspicious.
Edit: it seems this was done with a Ipsos KnowledgePanel, which as I suspected is an online, paid, opt-in panel. This is exactly the kind of design that’s prone to speed running for cash.
The Trump campaign doesn’t hammer the immigration issue just because they’re xenophobic racists. They also do it because it’s one of the few issues that they can run hard on that rallies their base and has the potential to attract some democrats.
People that hate immigrants from either party consider it a central issue, so because it’s so charged, there are actually a small subset of democrats that will hold their nose and vote for Trump because of this single issue.
The US has a growing fascism problem
It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he’s an aberration
Fascism is the problem. Trump is a very notable symptom, but many others are also to blame for the fascism issue, including some democrats. I believe this fixation with Trump is due to people wanting simple answers to complex problems.
The symptom is on the brink of winning everything.
When you have a 42 °C fever, you focus on the fever before worrying about the infection. Dead people don’t need antibiotics.
The fixation is because there is no clear line of succession. If he fails, who steps in? They’ll splinter and fragment. They’ll still be deplorable, but less effective when not united behind a single authoritarian leader.
Like how democrats splintered and fragmented when Biden stepped down?
They’ll reform and continue gaining power in lower-level positions until the next election, like they’ve been doing since 2020
I cannot emphasize how naieve it is to think this problem will go away if all we do is beat trump, or even if he dies or gets incarcerated.
Democrats aren’t authoritarians. It’s a bad comparison. Democrats are always fragmented, it’s virtually a defining characteristic. Post-Biden unity has been quite unusual.
Like I said, it’s incredibly naive to think this problem goes away when Trump does.
If you say so.
