Hello everyone! Hestia here with a new Megathread! Years ago, before I transitioned and when I was still in college I took an anthropology class. My favorite part of the class was when we were covering different gender customs across the globe and got to make a report on one of them. I can’t remember exactly which one I chose for that project, but what I do remember is a map with different pins scattered on it with various forms of gender-queerness. I decided to track it down and share it with you folks!
Edit: you have to open this in a browser, if you’re on a phone it will automatically try to open it in Google maps and won’t bring up the info.
This map provides a brief summary of these genders, but does not go in depth. If you find any you’re interested in, feel free to do some further research and share your findings here. I’ll pin a comment to this post you can attach them. I’m going to share a couple that I found interesting and decided to look further into myself, both of them are non-binary and native american in origin.
The first one I want to talk about is the Winkte, which is a third gender role that was particulatly notable in the Lakota tribe The Winkte are seen as half-men, half-women, and considered sacred. They are typically AMAB and historically have served unique roles in matters of romance and matchmaking and often served as intermediaries for prospecting couples and their families. They also participated in war parties, functioning primarily as witnesses to battle and as doctors to care for the injured. They were also seen as seers, able to forsee paths to victory.
https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-winkte-and-the-hundred-in-hand/
This next one I’m going to talk about seems mostly local to the Zuni people called the “Lhamana” and I find the Zuni culture to be particularly fascinating, even just doing a cursory glance at it.
Gender roles were well defined in Zuni culture, but the Zuni also valued the concept of a “middle” as it represented stability. This originates from their creation myth, which I won’t go in detail here because I don’t feel qualified to summarize it, but it’s in the link down below.
The Zuni culture is pretty neat and they don’t refer to gender when talking about children. They believed that gender wasn’t an inborn trait but something you acquired as you approached puberty. I wish this was the western approach, but alas.
As children approach puberty they begin to differentiate through different hair styles or clothing choices. AFAB Lhamana would grind corn and make a bowl of stew when they get their first period. There’s probably some cultural significance to this, but I’m not going to do a deep dive on it right now. AMAB Lhamana would start to wear dresses once they hit puberty and start performing women’s work. Both AMAB and AFAB Lhamana were allowed to switch between male and female gender roles as they pleased.
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Middle-Gender-in-Zuni-Religion
That’s all for now! To wrap thing up I would like to invite yall to our public matrix server! https://matrix.to/#/#tracha:chapo.chat
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Gender research findings go here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_Delaware#Treatment_of_gender
More of linguistic interest, Pidgin Delaware, a simplified amalgam of local, indigenous languages used for trade with Europeans, used two linguistic genders. Unlike European languages, however, the genders aren’t masculine and feminine but rather animate and inanimate.
Unlike European languages, however, the genders aren’t masculine and feminine but rather animate and inanimate.
This is how proto-indoeuropean is thought to have developed! And then over time, the animate gender became masculine, and inanimate feminine (probably reflecting the patriarchal society)
Russian language still has weird declensions with animate and inanimate stuff in some cases, very interesting
Whoamg my boobs are so huge now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I’m in a ton of pain though. But I’m alive so woo! And my chest has melons on it!
My gender today is girlrotting fail witch.
real
I got gendered correctly today. Had someone calling out “sir, sir”, trying to ask me for directions. I turn to face them, and they look confused. “Sir, Ma’am, I can’t tell with the mask on”. I took my shot, put on my best fem voice. I had mastered the talk-no-jutsu, my voice training was about to pay off. I looked at the person, and proceeded to ignore most of the training, just changing pitch and speaking more softly. It still worked, I got called ma’am. They later apologized for getting it wrong, and I just said no worries. No eyebows. No stare. No disgust.
I’ve done it, I’ve won :keikaku:
i love my fatness! i love my queerness! my fat queer body is beautiful and sexy!!!
Hell fucking yes, let’s gooo ᕙ(͡°‿ ͡°)ᕗ
I stood up for myself and my gender for the first time today. A friend kept degendering me and I asked him not to.
Kind of a small thing but I feel proud of myself since I’ve always had a poor self esteem
I saw my mom for the first time in a few months today, and she asked me if I’m aware I’m starting to look just like her and that seeing me was basically like seeing herself
Officially in the estrogen making you look like your mom gang
I still look like my dad but more and more yassified and femmed up at least. I do a lot of the same stuff my mom does which is horrifying, lean my head back the same way she does to read, same jokes, etc.
I expect to see my half-siblings for the first time since before covid soonish. Last time we met (was the first time I met any of them), the sperm donor also was there (and his son), and people seemed to agree I was the offspring that looked most like the donor. Kinda curious if people will think the same still. I think I look more like my sister now than pre-E, but not really sure if I look anymore like my birthmom and I might actually look less like my actual mom (whom is not related by blood) as a result.
Welcome! We got a plate of cookies in the back
In the hospital for my top surgery. I’ll see all you folks on the other side :3
How come all of the people I haven’t come out to yet are always misgendering and deadnaming me? Kinda fucked up.
Pretty transphobic, ngl
today I just want to lay in bed and listen to music, but I have to work 😒
surgery stuff (positive)
finally argued my case hard enough that the surgeon I’m going with says he feels comfortable moving forward with insurance authorization
lost respect for him over the last month, but I don’t really need to respect him for him to do surgery. I’ll take the W
now back to electrolysis once again. 😅
I’ve also learned all the hiragana and katana characters and can remember them without reference
need to learn more words and kanji now. it was really intimidating to finally start learning japanese, but it’s really not so bad once I got used to it. I can slowly start reading words in media I like and that’s so exciting, even if it takes me so long for now
unsolicited and frankly overbearing excitement about learning japanese
i found some success with anki + flashcards in the beginning after learning the hira/kata. there was a deck on anki web (or was it anki connect? you can just download them) that had voice lines and slowly introduced kanji and vocabulary, so you’re learn full sentences. on the back side there’d be furigana.
i soon moved on to watching a lot of shows with japanese subs and a dictionary open (using the mpv script to make flashcards and auto-clipboard the text subs for faster lookups). i watched Non Non Biyori (for easy language), then Bocchi this way (only saw it with English subs for the first time last Friday…) as well as re-watched a couple seasons of Kaguya-sama (this one was much harder language…). it was kind of both incredible and also kinda depressing that a single 20 minute episode turned into a 3 hour affair, but i think when I finally got the jokes I appreciated it way more…
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but i think when I finally got the jokes I appreciated it way more…
Such a fun reward for learning more of the language. Like, I barely know anything, but its fun being able to point out things like how the hair color and names of the generation of miracles in Koroko’s basket relate and makes their names a lot easier to remember. Given how little I know, yet sometimes notice things like that, I’m sure I’m missing a lot of other things just because of the language barrier.
totally! going back to it months later can be fun too with more knowledge or a fresh perspective
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You have to do electrolysis again? Ouchie. I did not expect that after already having so much hair removal!
Congratulations on moving forward with the surgery. So glad you got a surgeon that is on board for you to get the body you’re comfortable in.
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the surgery site itself is fine, but I need to clear the donor area. for me that’ll be forearm, so hopefully it goes quickly. not looking forward to the cost of that again lol
thank you tho
today in adventures in being out at work
guy comes up to me and while i’m pretty used to being called “sir” because of my barely trained voice, this guy called me “sir” before i fucking said a word to him , so I just took a mental deep breath and responded to him in my best femme voice I could muster. I think I could feel that it was at least good enough to put him on his toes because the rest of the interaction was kind of awkward and he never called me a man after
going to ruin Thanksgiving this year by being a trans woman, getting drunk, and then screaming about how this holiday is a celebration of genocide and that we’re currently on the stolen land of the Notdoxxingmyself people
I haven’t gone swimming in years.
I used to love swimming.
I wish I could do it without worrying about how I look or body image issues or other people.absolutely unrestrained gushing
OKAY so have you ever just heard someone’s voice and it makes you just kinda fucking melt? Yeah, that’s me, every time I hear her voice… its somehow comforting and sexy at the same time and I just kinda want to keysmash everytime we voice chat and I kinda get a little nervous and flustered and sometimes have a little difficulty talking but that’s nice too because I can generally just be quiet around her too and that’s really cool.
ugh she’s so great chat ugh