My friend’s mom got run over recently. The guy had the alcohol percentage that indicated he’d don’t at least ten shots of hard liquor in an hour and he was going well over the speed limit. He got her so hard it crumpled the front of his truck.
But in Cali, since it’s a first time offence, he’s getting like, a thousand dollar fine. The cremation is going to cost more.
Does this work for car bombs? Asking for a friend
Innocent until proven guilty.
Luigi didn’t kill that CEO as far as we know, and titles like this don’t help an innocent man.
If he used a car purposefully to kill the CEO, no- he would most certainly NOT be free right now.
Murder is murder, regardless of the chosen method.
He would obviously just lie and say it was an accident. I would match his story.
That’s not how vehicular manslaughter trials work. It’s like any other murder prosecution. He’d need to prove it was an accident. And mowing down someone with a car in front of witnesses in broad daylight?
Yeah…
Guilty.
no he doesn’t need to prove it, in a criminal trial in most countries, the prosecution has the burden of proof; in the US “beyond a reasonable doubt”
It was night, no?
It was 6:44am, and the sun rose at 7:08 am, so yes.
No. It was approximately 6:44 AM
6AM isn’t night
Sun rose on 7:08 am on Dec 9
The max penalty for 2nd degree vehicular manslaughter is only 7 years. In theory he could be prosecuted for 1st degree or even aggravated, but those require DUI or multiple fatalities.
Now look up what the maximum sentence would be for when someone purposefully murders someone with a car. Because Vehicular Homicide in the second degree- is where a death is caused “without an intention to do so” and where there is neither reckless driving, nor a DWI offense.
You’re manufacturing an argument while leaving out key facts.
Your boy WANTED the CEO dead. So, don’t use accidental death cases to compare it in bad faith
Vehicular homicide with intent carries the same penalties as with a gun.
Nope. In New York, the law for vehicular manslaugher/homicide only applies where DUI is involved. Perhaps you are thinking of regular homicide/manslaughter, but those require proving intent – which as previously stated is hard to do where an automobile is involved.
This is incredibly reductive and makes us look like idiots who don’t understand “intent”.
I get it, fuck cars, but this is ridiculous and only serves to make us look like a joke
Then there’s the Sacklers pushing everyone on opioids until the US public is addicted and getting fentanyl off the street. 82,000 deaths in 2022. The trend is that number is rising.
Was it intentional that Purdue started the epidemic? Their lobbyists pushed doctors to over prescribe them including for instances that didn’t warrant them, including material bonuses. So not really, but their shareholders really like dividends even if people have to die for them.
Was it legal? Well, it hasn’t been made illegal yet
See, were not looking at the true evil.
In the case of cars, its not really the driver, but in the US, the stanglehold on transit held by big automotive and big fossil fuel. We have lots of highways (the Interstate Highway System is the biggest single project in the world) and they keep killing high speed trains and begrudge municipal transit, and parking requirements assure that every city is a sprawl of delineated asphalt.
There’s the evil. And since its propelling the climate crisis (and we’re running out of water) it is going to kill us all.
Too bad they threw billions at the far-right propaganda machine to push the fascist autocrat over the non-white non-male that wanted to transition to renewables.
Guns are pushed in the US, and kept fairly unregulated by the munitions companies. Their ads imply you can’t be a real man without a loaded firearm. I never got it, but everyone male on the far-right is super sensitive about their masculinity. And they really like guns.
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These are the types of arguments we ought to be making memes about. Well reasoned, well spoken, and based in facts that are irrefutable
Kudos. Thank you for doing “fuck cars” the right way 💪❤️
That’s exactly what it’s doing.
“Oops, my foot slipped on the wrong pedal.”
Intent without confessions and manifestos may not be that easy to prove.
Recklessness generally also works in place of intentionally. Negligence is even lower, but is often reserved for civil suits.
They’re not comparable.
If I’m at a firing range, where it is expected that people are carrying guns and ammunition, I can pull the same “oops, my finger slipped” excuse.
Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.
Seriously, stop with the mental gymnastics. We don’t need to reach for more reasons to say “fuck cars.” There are plenty within arms reach
Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.
I see one of those posts with cars crashed into houses every week somewhere. No murder charge.
Perhaps that’s because… There usually aren’t fatalities inside the home???
Like, not only is it a giant, loud object that can be seen coming in many cases, but the impact with the house exterior dissipates a huge portion of the energy.
When people get killed my a car, they don’t die from the car hitting them. It’s almost always the impact with the ground that causes severe head trauma. Otherwise it’s a neck or spinal injury.
Those types of injuries are just way, way less likely to happen when a car drives into a building.
I’m getting really sick of people around here not showing even a modicum of logical thought and just screeching “CaRs BaD!!” every other sentence.
Fuck cars, for a lot of reasons. We don’t need to make up new ones that are silly and illogical. We have plenty of really good reasons to say fuck cars that don’t involve bullshit claims re: murder charges or a lack thereof
Well, we shouldn’t build our cities around hundreds miles of firing ranges then, right?
See, THAT is a reasonable, thoughtful argument. Yes, the density of cars in our cities is dangerous.
But there is not some epidemic of vehicular murders going unpunished.
Rather, we have normalized living in a high risk environment. And THAT is the crux of the problem. Not law enforcement
You are the one doing mental gymnastics bro. What is that back yard comparison? Obviously you just swerve off the road, run him over and say you fell asleep - long day, had to work long hours to pay off my medical debt. Or have an old person run over CEOs, 80yo in cars kill people all the time because they should not be driving anymore. They always get off easy.
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I’m sure that kid in Texas totally didn’t have intent when he ran over 12 people then backed up over them again
And did that kid get off with a “oopsies!”? No? Then how is that related to this thread?
If we are talking about the rolling coal kid, he did get off with an oopsie.
Would love to see a citation on this. Not familiar with the specifics and would love to know more but I had trouble finding this specific story
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Yeah, and I’m bored by it. Gonna block now
I get it, fuck cars, but this is ridiculous and only serves to make us look like a joke
This sub has looked like a joke since day one. Nothing new going on here.
You’re not helping. Stop being an inflammatory troll
every negative comment is not trolling. People should be able to express their dissatisfaction, constructive or not, without instantly getting labelled a “troll”.
Not every negative comment is trolling, but if every comment is negative then it is trolling. Or just an all around unlikable person, but most likely a troll.
Replying to trolls (instead of reporting and moving on with your day) is also not helping, FYI.
I find this first-name-terms chumminess with a probable murderer very distasteful and sad.
To the drive-by downvoters: Consider whether you (yes, you) would be willing to come out from behind your keyboard and say the things you say here to this murdered man’s family, his wife, his children. Of course you wouldn’t. You’re complete hypocrites and you really need to examine your consciences.
If my dad were a psychopathic mass-murdering corporate goon, I’d testify at his killer’s sentencing to plead for the judge and jury to be as lenient as possible
No you wouldn’t and you know that very well.
Hi, grow up.
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Agreed! It’s disgusting how people are defending the killer Brian Thompson. Who knows how many people are dead because of his greed.
“Your husband and dad was a POS and made the lives of thousands of people worse, and some certainly died because of the way he decided to operate his company. He deserved to die. And, quite frankly, he should have suffered some more in his death. I truly only hope that as he laid there bleeding to death, all the evil he had done weighed upon his conscience, and that he knew he had it coming.”
You’re lying to yourself. If you were prepared to say that to the innocent family of a murder victim, no matter who they were, you would be a psychopath. Much more likely you’re just a hypocrite, venting. Thankfully.
Honestly I don’t really even feel comfortable calling it murder. Brian Thompson killed more people than any serial killer in history. Like, I can sympathize with his family, or atleast his kids, I guess. But that doesn’t mean his death wasn’t 100% justified.
Hatred. Vengefulness. Open apology of first-degree murder by public figures and millions of ordinary people. America, you are in such deep sh*t. Please let this madness stay within your borders.
Innocent is stretching quite a bit the definition of that word, maybe the children, but only truly if they were very young. And no, you don’t need to be a psychopath, you just need to be tired of all the bullshit in this world. When the heads started to roll in France during the revolution, were all the people involved psychopaths? Most likely not. Anger is a powerful motivator. But I guess someone who is such an apologist for a billionaire CEO who ruined the lives of many couldn’t possibly understand how deep hatred can run.
Deep hatred is not an excuse for cold-blooded murder. And no, I do not support capital punishment either, it should go without saying.
To the drive-by downvoters: Consider whether you (yes, you) would be willing to come out from behind your keyboard and say the things you say here to this murdered man’s family, his wife, his children. Of course you wouldn’t. You’re complete hypocrites and you really need to examine your consciences.
I don’t know why you think that I wouldn’t be able to tell the Thompson Family that Brian was a murderer for profit. Because he was.
I think it because I choose to believe that most people are not bad, and that includes you.
Murder is with the intention to kill. This would apply for using a car as a weapon as well and courts do go after these cases in practice, of sniping a target with a car.
But they are too lenient on deathly accidents with gross negligence.
This would apply for using a car as a weapon as well and courts do go after these cases in practice, of sniping a target with a car.
Unless the driver admitted to wanting to kill someone on purpose with their car, the grey area between “I didn’t see them” to “I don’t know what happened.” makes it so that drivers are often only given a citation for a traffic violation (i.e. not stopping at a stop sign), if the victim is lucky enough for that level of “justice”.
It’s very rare to see a driver be convicted of anything beyond vehicular manslaughter, including when you have a history of driving offences, and run off like a coward after running over a cyclist.
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With a random killing you might get indeed away, but murders are usually targeted. In case a deadly accident happens, and it can be proven the driver had a conflict with that person, it does turn the case around.
Plot twist, the person killed is a protester.
do that next year, and you’ll get a medal and a cabinet post.
And if you setup a system were people die preventable, unnecessary deaths the cops will work for you.
So, luigi should have used a car instead?
Got it.
True for Germany, too. The killers sometimes even get to keep their drivers licenses.
… with judges explaining their non-judgements with some totally rediculous arguments like: he has already suffered the worst… having to live with the fact he klilled someone, so there’s no reason for further punshment.
But there was a case where someone was convicted for murder because he was involved in an illegal car race and should have known better. Yes, illegal car races are a thing in Germany
Edit: This isn’t the case I had in mind. I remember vague that the victim was an (elderly) man
Might be worth mentioning that “illegal car race” does not (necessarily) mean fast and the furious style street racing.
According to § 315d StGB (the German penal code), driving recklessly and violating traffic laws with the intention of reaching the highest speed does constitute an illegal race.
Works for the Walton family. You know, for those nights of heavy drinking, where you just wanna bounce some peasants off your grill.
But only if he’s also a singer.
