I think a lot of it is also based on fear of retribution. Killing someone is super hard to get away with when the dead guy is considered important. IE - nobody knows how to make a bullet untraceable, everyone has cameras on every doorstep, everyone has a tracker in their pockets and every search or keystroke you make is recorded. Even if someone ices an ICE agent in self defense, the courts will never take the defendant’s side, if it ever goes to court and the defendant isn’t found hanging from a tree about 2 days later.
Not only that, killing is hard. Shooting another human being, no matter how reprehensible they are, is difficult at best. People aren’t just scared of being killed, they’re scared of killing. A lot of people talk a lot of talk of being willing to defend themselves, their property or their family, but how many could will themselves to pull the trigger without hesitation? Because the agents sure don’t hesitate.
It’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot. I’ve shot living things before, never a person. Even then, it’s always been ‘something that has to be done.’ Either to end suffering or to cull a population. It still never felt good. I don’t know if I could ever do it to a person, especially if I could see their face or eyes.
I’d say it’s more fear of being killed. Which I get, I can relate, I’m a coward too - I just don’t brag about it. Thing is, even from a self preservation standpoint, they’re wrong. Trouble will find you. Capitulating will only make the situation worse.
I’d argue it’s a reasonable learned response to fear from an authority figure. Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn. Fawn is the only one that helps when accosted by a parent, teacher, boss, or a cop.
Punch your dad? You get the belt worse. Run from school? Truancy and inschool suspension. Freeze in front of your boss? You’re ignoring him/being defiant, you get fired.
Maybe this is just psuedopsychological posturing but it’s what makes the most sense when examining my own and many other Amerikans’ behaviors when relating to authority
When I hear a white American speaking, I sit my privileged ass down and LISTEN.
US liberal response to a foreign government shooting their own people: “OMG, why don’t they rise up and revolt against such tyranny?!”
US liberal response to their own government shooting at them: “Hold on now guys, we need to be peaceful and civil with the guys shooting at us, or else they might do something drastic, like shoot at us!”
Something something if Russians and Iranians don’t fight their government then they deserve to get bombed something something
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US liberal response to a foreign government shooting their own people: “OMG, why don’t they rise up and revolt against such tyranny?!”
The tyranny which is often a result of direct or indirect Amerikkkan involvement (the poster he responded to might have been from one of those countries) but no you butt out. This is our problem and I will do nothing about it because I am not a authoritarian tankie. I am going to brunch anyway in a frog costume as a form of rebellion.
I have to give it to the bourgeois in Amerikkka for making such a powerful propaganda department and creating conditions which turn people into whatever this is.
I have to give it to the bourgeois in Amerikkka for making such a powerful propaganda department and creating conditions which turn people into whatever this is.
There is something morbidly fascinating about it all, it’s the most complex and organised propaganda apparatus in history, so well organised that the people spreading this stuff don’t even consider anything they say to be propaganda.
They have absolutely no respect for any other culture or country’s boundaries so why the fuck should anyone else “butt out” (respectfully lmao) of theirs? Fuck off.
You tell 'em!
American libs are so fucking chauvinistic even when they’re trying to throw a pity party for themselves jfc
Like… they’re already killing you regardless of whether or not you “fight back”, sometimes for literally no reason you dipshit. Or is this lib trying to signal that they 100% buy into the “Renee was trying to run over/threaten ICE with her car” narratives?
Unless someone assembles an army
Even if someone was actually doing that, this lib would absolutely decry it as “far-left terrorism”
If someone assembles and army, this dude sure ah hell ain’t joining, his life is too precious.
Fighting and dying is for the poors and the browns.
They’re right, the american regime is the first and only one to consider killing dissidents, which is why dissidents should protest by having a sign on their lawn (a grass rectangle americans keep near their houses) that says “trump is a poopoohead”.
a grass rectangle americans keep near their houses
😂
Kill squad gets sent to city, “we cant become violent or they will send kill squads!”
What does this clown think will happen anyway? One to many snowballs get thrown and Trump sends the marines to indiscriminately murder civilians?
Kill squad gets sent to city, “we cant become violent or they will send kill squads!”
There’s a simple answer. “Sure they killed someone in cold blood, but they won’t kill me”, so they oppose escalation. The situation in the US is deteriorating, but the subjective and objective reasons for revolution and what that implies to be appealing aren’t present… yet.
Right. As long as people can stay home and be “safe” with their treats why would they stick their necks out? We’re a deeply individual society so there’s no sense of community or solidarity with those other people.
Also, people need there to be order and things to calm down so they can get back to work and make money for their chicken tendies
They also likely can’t imagine actually killing any targets that remove some of the danger against themselves, but always imagine violence as like random killings and destruction because that’s how American media always depicts anti-government/worker resistance to things, especially during protests.
The idea that you could remove an ICE agent and be safer as a result, i.e. what happened to Good, doesn’t cross their mind.
Yeah, Everywhere revolutions just famously worked when a bunch of people marched for a couple of weeks. No one got shot or imprisoned for decades, no one was sent to siberia to starve. no massed crowds were fired upon on any famous steps.
It worked out well for these guys:
(But I think they may have also done some other stuff too)
The US uses my country as a glorified military base, so I’ll say whatever the fuck I want.
That outburst is going to cost you another 3 barely functional submarine purchases.
I’m about to eat a nuclear sub I swear to ya mutha
If we add in the already obvious other premises: They are already killing peaceful protestors (i.e. being definitely safe is off the table) and, unsurprisingly, they don’t care what peaceful protestors have to say, then the logical conclusion of what this liberal is saying is that the American people should be building an insurgent army to oppose ICE and company. I’m kind of curious what they would say to evade that conclusion.
Not especially important, but it’s amazing how liberals will talk about the authoritarianism of countless other countries that America needs to bomb but then say (falsely!) that America is totally unique in the world in that it has the most violent repression of protests. America’s pretty bad, don’t get me wrong, but several countries (mostly ones America has fucked over and backs reactionary governments in) have it worse. Do they genuinely believe that protestors are safer in Palestine or Syria? Fuck, this person (again falsely) would in other contexts probably say that repression is more lethal in China!
Do they genuinely believe that protestors are safer in Palestine or Syria?
Libs are still going on about “Do you condom Hummus?” so they agree protesters should be shot for trying to “genocide Israel.”
But yeah. People in Palestine, Venezuela, and so on are living in worse conditions than the US with far more risk. The things Americans are afraid of happening here already happen in other places. The people still manage to organize resistance efforts, often against the violence of the US military.
They don’t think people get shot in other countries because those aren’t people.
We ask the question, how much more can you take?
And their answer is,
quite a lot actually, i'm hoping to get out of this one with no serious repercussions!
28·8 days agoAmerican politics and activism is not the same as everywhere else in the world.
AmeriKKKan exceptionalism.
We do not get to physically fight back, because we will be killed or disappeared.
As if that’s different from every other fucking place.
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American politics and activism is not the same as everywhere else in the world.
So deluded. Just showing their whole ignorant ass. Their barbaric mobs, our sober democracy.
American exceptionalism but the exceptionalism is cowardice apparently.
“Opps, nothing but cowards”
