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      In fairness the setup was absolutely beautiful. She’s some woman for the zingers.

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        Well, the setup worked for whichever side chimed in. Elon never stood a chance. The fact that she was describing multiple people is truely terrifying. But I guess that’s her point.

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      She was definitely talking about Elongated, but probably had that comeback planned ahead of time.

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      Elon is not a narcissist, he’s an asshole. Narcissists are innocent victims of abuse. You’re a bigot who hates disabled people.

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        Victims of abuse? Possibly. Innocent? No.

        Just because you’re the victim of abuse, that doesn’t give you the right to abuse others, and you aren’t “innocent” if you do so.

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          I never abused anyone and neither did most people with NPD, because there is no link between having NPD and abusing others. You just invented an imaginary association between pwNPD and abusers because you hate disabled people.

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        Narcissism and assholery are not mutually exclusive. Same goes with with being a victim of abuse. Nor is it considered being disabled. Nor is there basis to assume the person you replied to hates disabled people.

        Just wanted to chime in to point out that not a single thing you said is accurate. Which is somewhat impressive.

        In any case, a common trait of being a narcissist is martyrdom. I suspect I’ll get something to that effect.

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            When being “narcissistic” is a diagnosis, because it causes impairment, then it is a disability. But that’s not saying more than what a disability is. You can still be a narcissistic asshole (and oh boy are those two correlated!), without it being a disability to the individual.

            The fitting technical word for narcissism being a disability in/to the context of society or social group is the “asshole” part.

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              Using the names of mental disorders as playground insults is disrespectful and irresponsible. And if you say that narcissism as an insult is an established term, I’ll remind you that it got that way because people used the name of a disorder as an insult. As a slur. And no, the insult isn’t drawn directly from greek mythology, because Greek mythology has the name Narcissus, not the noun narcissist. The noun narcissist was coined by psychologists talking about pathology.

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                Again. You have an impressive ability to not state a single accurate argument.

                Using the names of mental disorders as playground insults is disrespectful and irresponsible.

                Invalid basis. That a negative character trait can in severe cases be a disability, does not mean that the negative character trait is. Nor is it a correct assumption that all uses of said character trait (adjective or noun form), implies the severity to be diagnosed as a disability. Even otherwise positive traits can be disabilities if they are in excess as to be disability. It really is as simple as that.

                And if you say that narcissism as an insult is an established term

                First, I have not said that. So again, invalid premise. Secondly, no one so far used narcissism “as an insult”, but as a descriptive word. Which is more or less the function of language and words. The assumption that people meant to insult, and not be accurate, is on you.

                I’ll remind you that it got that way because people used the name of a disorder as an insult. As a slur.

                Remind me of what now? Words for character traits exist. If a person has trouble remembering stuff, you might be “forgetful”. If it is so severe that it impacts their quality of life, then it might be diagnosed as a disorder. Saying a person is forgetful doesn’t mean it is used as an insult.

                And no, the insult isn’t drawn directly from greek mythology, because Greek mythology has the name Narcissus, not the noun narcissist. The noun narcissist was coined by psychologists talking about pathology.

                Thanks for the etymology lesson. I think your argument is that if you use words that stem from psychology, coined to describe a type of character/personality, and that if the trait, if sufficiently severe is considered a disorder, that one cannot (should not?) be used it the same way as defined by psychologists? That’s… Why wouldn’t one be allowed to use words for the generally understood meaning of the words?

                When a psychologist gives a person the diagnosis for having a disability as a result of “narcissism”. They don’t give the diagnosis as “narcissist”. The diagnosis is called “narcissistic personality disorder”.

                You know why they add the last word of “disorder”? Because narcissist/ic is already described, and when it is diagnosed as a disorder, they call it a disorder.

                A psychologist might not be comfortable with, or even use the somewhat reductive “a narcissist”. But it’s fine to use colloquially.

                I’ve met plenty of people with varying degrees of narcissistic traits. When people sometimes refer to them as “a narcissist”, they are being somewhat reductive. But seldom, if ever, has it been used as an insult for the sake of insult. And generally describe… Well, you can lookup the behavioural commonalities. I wouldn’t say any one of them had it as a personal disability. And they all ranged somewhere from “you like to share the view from your perspective a bit much” to “self centered asshole”.

                Anyways. You caught me in a moment of being stuck, with nothing to do. I generally don’t think this is worth while. Mostly good intentions tho, if you can believe it. Also in part enjoying to point out when people are being shit at forming an argument.

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          I am doing neither of those things. I’m calling people who hate narcisstists bigots.

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              That’s because Lemmy is the kind of reactionary place where hatred of people for having mental disorders isn’t considered bigotry.

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        AOC is a breath of fresh air in the extreme right political climate of the US, but calling her “radical left” is just hilarious. She’s slightly left of centre at best.

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      No way this upset him. His ego has reached the point where he doesn’t even entertain being wrong. He knows she’s lying when she said that, and she definitely has a crush, that’s why she keeps flirting.

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        I dunno. Did you see that interview he did recently? Dude is desperate for approval. It’s pathetic.

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          I dunno, I’ve met people with heads so far up their ass that they think everyone else is wrong. I mean look at Trump, that guy never thinks he’s made a mistake.

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            Yep, and any time someone mentions one of his flaws in the news, you just know it ruins his whole day.

            Look how much he obsessed over the fact that he had such a small turnout at his inauguration. Any time he boasts he’s trying to cover up his insecurity.

            Recently the news has been blowing up about the fact that Trump smells bad, and once he has the bit between his teeth, he just can’t let it go.

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        In a recent interview this came up, and the best word be said he could come up with was post, but he was hoping for something better.

        I don’t think they’ll ever get something good like tweeting on twitter. X is terrible for that.

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          By every metric it’s horrible. Searching for the term, using it as a verb and noun, ease of saying it in a sentence, recognition, as a logo, color scheme, the fact that X sounds a lot like ex as in something I previously engaged in but no longer do (irony) . I mean I could go on and on.

          I refuse to believe no one told him how poor of an idea it is, I think he just has too much money to be able to listen to others.

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          The company redefined a word in the space of less than a decade. Huge marketing success when you pull that off. Elon just couldn’t let go of his old idea from the PayPal days that the rest of the board back then told him was a bad idea.

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          It’s a bit of a forced joke, but whenever possible, I like to use “X-crete” as the verb to replace “tweet”.

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      My people are calling it Xitter (sounds like shitter) so that would make each more like a little Xhit.

      Coincidentally, that’s what I call people on that platform

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      You know, now I’m thinking Carly Simon is a psychic and the answer to who that song is about is Elon Musk.

      Also, she totally sings “clowns in my coffee.” I will fight anyone who challenges me on this.

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        Nah, I’ll leave that to your morning clown brigade while I busy myself punching clouds. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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    Is there a place to verify these posts are real without actually touching Twitter (currently known as Elon Musk’s X)? I see there’s blue checkmarks on them but I have a feeling a really cleaver hacker could fake those in an image.

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    It’s honestly really gross that he immediately jumps to thinking she’s hitting on him. Like, him freaking out and going into a fit of rage might have been a less terrible response.

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    Hooray for AOC telling it like it is, and getting under Elon Musks’ pimply oily hide. She knows exactly what she’s doing.

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    Does Zuck hang out with Tucker & Thiel also? It wouldn’t surprise me, but I hadn’t heard about it…not to the extent that Elon does, anyway.

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      I assume anyone in silicon valley with two commas has hung out with Thiel at some point. He was one of the earliest investors in FB

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        Radix malorum est cupiditas: the root of evil is greed. Or more colloquially, the love of money is the root of all evil.

        One of the few things I’ll hang on to from my religious childhood.

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        Plus, hell hath no wrath like a nerd who stumbles into power.

        My reductive opinion is that nerds come in two main flavors. Ones that are upset that the world is unfair, and are empathically motivated to change it for the better.

        And then there’s ones like Benzos or Elon, the nerds who see the world as a totem poll. Totem poles where they have been placed below their true position in life. They don’t want to get rid of the totem pole, they want to make it bigger, and they want to be at the top, so they may punish those who got in their way.

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          No amount of money can hide the void inside of them where they’ll never be the star athlete. Never get the girl. It’s all a sham. None of their relationships are deep, meaningful or “real”. They may show a vaneer of confidence on the outside but inside they’re rotting as they seethe.

          In a way it’s like, despite all the wealth and power, they still have nothing.

          I actually don’t put Zuck in this group because

          A. He’s a robot B. I actually think he’content despite being a douche

          Tl’dr: don’t be rich pls. Be happy with your small lives like I am.

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      Stop attributing the name of one of the most beloved, friendly and wonderful muppets to ever exist, and who provided countless people decades of joy to that fucking shit stain Elongated Muskrat.

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        Elon does not have an NPD diagnosis. You’re accusing him of having NPD because you hate him, and you hate people with NPD, so you think they must be the same. You’re right to hate Elon, but you’re a bigot to hate people with mental disorders.

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      World praised him as a savior with Tesla and starlink. His ego ballooned and now he can’t control it

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        It also works in favor of other billionaires and corporate entities like BlackRock and The Vanguard Group (among countless others). He gets to publicly be a jabroni, and they get to carry on with fewer eyes on them and their practices

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        Remember his cameo in Iron Man 2? Back when he was considered the real-life Tony Stark? I recently re-watched that movie and the cringe I felt from that scene physically hurt.

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      Accusing Elon of mental illness doesn’t do any good. It implicitly absolves him off responsibility for his actions, while encouraging harmful stereotypes about mental illnesses.

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        Weird take. Having a mental illness doesn’t absolve you from responsibility. Where do you get this bullshit from?

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          Not in the personal sense of guilt, but in the sense of personhood. When you say Elon’s actions are the result of an illness rather than a free unbiased choice, you’re saying that such actions, such evil if you’ll excuse the evocative language, cannot be the result of a person but must be the doing of an illness

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              Yes, that was the position I started my argument from. Why are you saying it like it’s an argument?

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                  No I don’t. You don’t really understand what this conversation is about, do you?

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    But why are they still supporting platforms run by billionaires? It’s so easy to talk, theorize and posture as this revolutionary figure. But when it comes down to giving up one single convenience, people freak out. I don’t know if I can take these people seriously.

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      She was one of the first high profile people on blue sky so it’s not for not trying. Even this criticism though reads a bit like “You dislike capitalism and yet you participate in it.” You can criticise what you partake in, why not?

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        That’s not the same though? We can’t stop participating in Capitalism right now. But we can easily stop using Twitter as far as I’m aware. You will not die if you stop using a website. I am not saying don’t participate in social media of any kind. I am saying if you can’t even stop using a website because it clashes with every value you have, then what chance is there that you’ll give up something even greater for the sake of the greater good? Your analogy can be used to justify not making any kind of change ever because it inconveniences us.

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          As someone who does grassroots campaigning, I’m not sure she can. She needs to reach out wherever her audience is.

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            Yeah really. I can stop using Twitter because nobody gives a shit about me. My thoughts have 0 impact.

            Companies and figures can’t simply ignore the platform and remain competitive.

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            Ok I can accept that. I am not speaking about her personally but about many people on the revolutionary left who stay on there and spend 90 percent of the time complaining about what Elon Musk did or said. There’s something wrong with this “politics of negativity”, where the very apparent opposition you have to something is what ultimately fuels it. It’s ironic in a sense. A post complaining about Elon Musk is ultimately creating money for Elon Musk. The apparent discourse and the latent effect are diametrically opposed.

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          You’re correct in a moral sense although I agree entirely with other posters that politicians need to spread their message far and wide regardless of platform. I do not personally use Facebook or Twitter because I find them to be toxic, predatory, and privacy red flags in the case of Facebook. I rarely use Reddit out of principle when they screwed over Boost devs. The issue though is similar to why boycotts really just don’t work for the left. Our power is in changing the systems at the government level, not at the endpoint or point of sale because almost definitionally we’re not part of the 1% who make or break companies financially. Increasingly even together in unity that’s still the case that our financial incentive offering is relatively minimal to the biggest companies if you ignore mass indignation as a stock value factor.

          Twitter doesn’t comply with hate speech laws on social media companies and is used as a tool by Elon to manipulate markets. These are problems addressed through giving teeth to the agencies and that’s always going to be far more meaningful than the 4 cents you contribute in ad revenue before you max out views for the day.

          Let’s be honest though, with Twitter it’s going to fail with or without government teeth around it. Elon has already started prepping the narrative to why his white nationalist pickme project is death spiraling.

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        What kind of value does Twitter actually bring to a politician? I think we tend to overestimate how much Twitter does influence politics of any kind. People who will support a politician will support them and people who don’t will not, Twitter will rarely sway anyone to a different position. Is it necessary to keep posting about every opinion you have constantly? If that’s what being politically active is, then politics has devolved beyond repair.

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          When the news has segments covering tweets and Trump won in 2016 partially because of his social media presence, politicians have no choice but to use the platform until it loses the majority of it’s userbase. Or until it gets officially declared no better than 4chan by the mainstream media.

          It sucks, but this is our reality

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          Simple. Direct, uncensored, and provocative announcements directly to your constituents without needing to set up an event for each topic you want to discuss. More eyes and more control of your message. The most important thing is the number of eyes you have on your content. The more people that know and talk about it, the more likely the people who can vote for you will know about you.

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          People who will support a politician will support them and people who don’t will not, Twitter will rarely sway anyone to a different position.

          I disagree with this. It’s like when people say “why does Coca-Cola run ads, everyone knows them”. Marketing matters. Awareness matters. Maybe it shouldn’t but that’s how it be.

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            I agree to an extent. I understand your analogy but I think there’s a crucial difference between ads for a product and political positions. You can easily get someone to buy a product, but getting someone to change their views on, say, abortion is much harder. Political positions are tied to identities in ways that purchasing decisions are generally not. There may be some ways to sway some people who are on the fense about a given candidate or position, but I generally think this ability to change people is way overstated. People just keep posting their opinions over and over and think it’s actually changing someone’s mind, more often they are preaching to people who already agree with them.