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Love it when a tradcath cryptofascist gets to dialogue with a tradcath fascist about Wookiepedia-level religious trivia

I’d link but I think it’s deleted

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    God the Jesus fandom is so utterly up it’s own ass. What is this even about, Vatican 2 broke their spellcasting system so now they can’t eat Jesus?

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    god be like: my son/daughter, you have not followed the letter of the law and thus will sit in hell for one million years. fucking nerds stg

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    Many Roman Catholics (not even “sedes” or “trads”) receive communion in Byzantine parishes for this reason

    They do not.

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        It is said that when Netherese Archwizard Karsus tried to attain godhood by siphoning Mystryl’s mantle as Goddess of Magic, Mystryl saw the damage he was doing to reality and sacrificed herself to preserve magic. In the moments after all magic ceased to exist and Mystryl being reborn as Mystra, the Archwizard Karsus lay dying on the ground, his final sights being the beloved flying cities crashing into the ground, killing every one he knew and loved.

        So greed is bad, folks. Learn of Karsus’ Folly.

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    it’s amazing that people have made up such convoluted complexity applied to nothing. Like, it’s all entirely made up. It’s nonsense built atop a foundation of nonsense.

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    Religion is so fuckinv stupid idk how anyone can take even the smallest bit of this shit seriously. I literally cannot fathom a person being a Christian with the knowledge that there’s like 57 different fucking flavors of christianity. How the fuck do you know you got the real one? You don’t, dummy. Sorry the real true church of god is some splinter from some catholic heresy that only exists in the mountains of Ethiopia or some shit

    And then you’ve got stuff like the split between Jews and Samaritans (ignoring all the differences between Jews of varying orthodoxy) with the Samaritans believing they follow the REAL Torah

    Every theological debate i’ve ever seen or witnessed just comes off as people masturbating over fan fiction

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      I literally cannot fathom a person being a Christian with the knowledge that there’s like 57 different fucking flavors of christianity.

      I mean, to be fair, we are communists ourselves…

    • EmoThugInMyPhase [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      the real true church of god is some splinter from some catholic heresy that only exists in the mountains of Ethiopia

      The ethiopian christians claim to be holding the real ark of covenant

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      Based on archeology and stuff, early jews were Samaritans who were one of many religious sects. The whole Egypt thing is a myth as far as can be told.

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          And like…Egypt has been subject to quite a bit of archeology. Like, if you think of that country it’s the first thing that comes to a western white person’s mind. If anything they were looking for any evidence of early Israelite artifacts and still nothing. It is a pretty sweet story to tell about your neighborhood tho

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            It’s kinda amazing that the ancient Egyptians made some giant piles of bricks and thousands of years later they are the first thing the average person thinks of. Alexandria probably intentionally fell into the sea because it knew everyone would just think of the pyramids when imagining Egypt. “Guess I’ll just sink myself.”

            • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.net
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              Egypt has continued to be a pretty notable country for pretty much ever as well. It’s not like people weren’t seeing the pyramids constantly all the time throughout all the important events, Egypt has been a very historically important place for always, a d yet these incredibly ancient triangles are what continues to fascinate us. To the point a lot of people think aliens made them.or illuminati shit. If I was a guy dragging a block to build the pyramid and had the capacity to know that this would be be THE edifice to represent your time for thousands of years, I’d be whistling while I worked and would probably have signed a block if I knew how. Imagine making g something that lasted that long being your construction gig

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                I always enjoy thinking about stuff like that. Imagining some cynic at the pyramid construction muttering about how nobody is gonna care about the pyramids in 500 years. “Buildings come and go. But papyrus? Now that’s permanent.”

                Like imagining that dude in Pompeii who grabbed his junk as the ash buried him doing it as a bit. I’m 99% sure he did it because his reasoning was “ow my balls” but there’s the slightest chance he was like “lol people will think I was jacking off one last time.”

      • KoboldKomrade [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Even further back people inhabiting the Palestine area were polytheistic. The Abrahamic god almost certainly evolved from Yahweh and merged with El and Baal (and developed further of course).

        And the Egyptian thing is 100% myth. Likely due to Egypt dominating the area for several thousand years. As far as I remember, there’s barely any evidence any significant number of Jewish settlement in Ancient Egypt at all. They definitely were interacting with each other, even looks like Egypt even conquered them at some point.

    • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Every time I try to read a philosophy textbook and it goes into arguments for the existence of any sort of gods, or, more precisely, into the existence of the Christian one, I marvel at those arguments not being dismissed immediately, given how childish they are.

      In particular, I have encountered this in a textbook recently: ‘god is the most perfect being imaginable and if it did not exist, it would not be perfect’. By that logic, because I can imagine a 10^100000 year old person who openly lives as such and is well-known by everybody in the world, and because to be 10^100000 year old and to live that person would have to exist, such a person exists. Also, Pascal’s Wager is probably very well known at this point and how silly and poorly thought-out it is.
      Nonsense like that makes me think that philosophy in general is a silly field that lacks any sort of rigour. Hell, they seem to be amazed at the ‘cogito ergo sum’ line, despite the fact that in the practical contexts where it is true it is obvious, and in the contexts where it isn’t true it is, well, not true.

      Hot take: philosophers in general should be forced to adopt higher standards of rigour.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        One of the jokes of existential comics is that your average gym bro holds themselves to a higher standard of academic rigor than your average academic philosopher.

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    Isn’t the whole point of being Catholic that it’s not your job or right to debate this stuff? Stop being Protestant! Go to mass! Listen to what you’re told!

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        It’s never not gonna be funny to me. I wish them a very happy Another 30 Years War on each other. Start by throwing themselves out a window.

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      That’s the whole point of christianity in general. Essentially, the bible is the done deal. Priests exist to guide people towards the book. But you’re supposed to have faith that it’s all real and makes sense even if you don’t understand it. Questioning the validity of x miracle or y sacrament is essentially the equivalent of lucifer demanding equality with God or Eve wanting all knowledge

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        lucifer demanding equality with God

        That is itself a medieval heresy. The biblical satan is a fucking angel cop trying to put humanity on trial for suspected disloyalty.

    • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.net
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      Wrote a dissertation on Augustine, the Pelagian heresy sort of makes sense since that whole thing is basically about being able to save yourself without help from Christ, etc.

      The rest is very dumb tho. Also, their posting is pathetic compared to the GOAT.

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    The worst thing is that they are talking a lot of heretical ultraconservative nonsense. Lay people have no say in what is or is not an effective sacrament. I hope all these “trads” admit once and for all that they are actually Protestants. Besides, if they are such traditionalists, the Apostle Paul writes that women have no voice in these matters: they can’t even be conservative right.

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      If they’re OG traditionalists Jesus isn’t god and also he turned out to be a liar when the world didn’t end.