• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    31 minutes ago

    On the one hand, strippers want you to give them your money because that’s why they’re there.

    On the other, it’s weird to pretend strippers aren’t real people with feelings who want to like and be liked in turn, just as much as anyone else.

    The cynical “Don’t idolize your politicians” line doesn’t teach people to read the tea leaves and pick better leadership. It just teaches them to throw up your hands and assume everyone is the same.

    At some level, you need to recognize strippers and politicians alike as complex humans with both material desires and higher ideals.

    Recognizing these desires and ideals helps you know who is worth your time and investment.

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    17 hours ago

    “This applies to both sides” How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.

    You know, those things that are real and really happen.

    Look dingbat, calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade. If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in, don’t think trying to slip in a picture of a kitchen magnet is going to make it any better.

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      How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.

      KHive really did this shit back in 2020, though.

      Also, consider the case of Eric Adams, a man who was constantly self-promoting and a serial liar and grifter, who is now indicted on a litany of charges all stemming from his Style-Over-Substance administrative practice.

      calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade

      Kamala is also a Weird Politician. She talks weird. She believes weird things. She supports weird policies in order to appease a conflicting morass of regional interests. She’s awkward and insincere and frighteningly nationalistic. Because that’s what running for high office requires.

      Practically everyone running for high office is. You have to be weird to think you should be President. It’s a weird thing to think. Delusional and megalomaniacal, given the powers of the office and the history of its occupants.

      If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in

      If people say what they sincerely believe, they risk saying things that are unpopular. You can’t run in a district of tens of millions of people (as a California AG or Ohio Senator must) and sound remotely unpopular. Your opposition will eat you alive.

      So you end up with this phony caricature of a personality, making blith naive statements that only sound good superficially.

      You come across as fake and weird because authentic and normal people won’t be popular enough to win an election.

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      I buy all my Harris nfts with my Soros bucks they put on my vaxxine microchip every month.

      So easy to pay bills.

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        17 hours ago

        A miniscule tiny handful of people doesn’t count. There is a total K-hive number of Maga cult in every big city. Not even in the same ballpark.

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          So you at least admit it’s a problem on both sides, you’re just blind to scale. You’re better than most Dems this election cycle at least.

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            It’s not a problem because some small group of people online who are idolizing Kamala Harris aren’t going to turn violent and start a riot if she loses.

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            Look, I’m not trying to cause a stink here, I just don’t understand what you’re getting at. Are you implying that the amount of Kamala stans is comparable to the amount of Trump stans? Or are you saying that because you can find at least one zealot for each party, this does technically apply to both parties?

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              Either you’re sealioning or you’re purposefully misunderstanding, in either case either hope when Harris either loses or proves she’s more right wing than bush, you get deprogrammed and join us again.

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                  To be fair, this was the kind of response I was expecting, I was just hoping to at least understand what they were going on about. Had to google sealioning, which is apparently repeatedly asking for proof while feigning politeness. I didn’t ask for proof, I just wanted them to clarify what they were saying and they still thought I was doing it, so I guess I should have been more rude?

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    13 hours ago

    both sides

    lmao, there are only two sides. Of course. Just Democrats and Republicans. Nobody else. Bernie Sanders doesn’t even exist.

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    “this applies to both sides” -🤓

    Kamala is many things (most of them bad), a cult leader isn’t one of them. Im all for dunking on Liberals (im a leftist), but that is just factually untrue.

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    Not really. Democrats “idolized” their president so much they basically forced him out of the race for being too old. This applies to one side: Republicans.

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          18 hours ago

          The dnc who made him the only candidate by threatening to withdraw all funding and kick out of the party everyone that was running against him.

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            The vast majority of sitting presidents run completely unopposed by their own party for re-election to a second term.

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              I was talking about the first time, though yes we should have had a choice this election as well.

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                  It is amazing how racist you people are and openly accept being, all because someone with a lot more money than you said a race is bad. In any case I hope you and all conservatives like you understand what you lose when you win.

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    Not really. I don’t idolize ANY politicians and am happy to criticize even those I vote for when I think they aren’t doing it right. No Dem politician is selling $100k watches etc. because Dems won’t buy them.

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      Apparently, Trump is donating a bridge to all his ultra-platinum preferred choice diamond club voters. If I didn’t dump all my money in Trump’s amazing social media project (some say the best social media company ever), I’d be first up!

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    Maybe you should save this for the day after the election friend. People being delusional about how good Kamala will be is actually really good for us strategically at the moment.

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      Any cause benefited by stupidity is not a good cause. And that does apply to both sides.

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        For every cause, there exists some possible circumstance such that one or more individuals having a miscalculation would benefit that cause.

        Proof: Take desired result R. Assume there exists some person P who is opposed to R. Let there be some action that P can take such that R becomes impossible. If there are no downsides to this action, then R will only occur if P makes a miscalculation. ⬜

        Thus, if your maxim holds, then there is no such thing as a good cause.

        A discriminant that labels all causes as “bad” is not useful.

        Therefore, your maxim does not serve as a useful discriminant.

        QED

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    That’s an unfair comparison. On one hand you have the lowest of the low within society, someone willing to compromise any morality they might possess and sell themselves for a paltry sum of money, and on the other hand you have hard working strippers.

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    Bernie is idolized on the left for his character, for good reason. And even then, he’s not above scrutiny. When he was investigated for that banking stuff, everyone said “do it”.

    … that’s it. That’s all we’ve got on the left.

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      I don’t like the Bernie love cause it’s hypocrisy. How are we gonna say we want old people out of politics, except OUR old guy. Nah, he’s had his run and anything he could have done by now he would have.

      Frankly I don’t have a problem with him but I did have a problem with people pushing him as president, cause I rather win an election, and Bernie can’t win those. He can’t even get the full support of his own party why would I think he’d be a good president?

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        we should not necessarily want old people out of politics. we should want old policies out of politics, and senile people out of government.

        But if an old politician is mentally and physically fit for office, and brings policies in line with the will of the people, they should be allowed to run.

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          If anything, this election has taught us that we want old people out of office, but only if their name is Joe Biden.

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        I think people on the left love Bernie because there aren’t a lot of terrible skeletons in his closet. There are still a TON of things that Bernie could do that would make me dislike him and not support him. There is almost nothing Trump could do that would make a Trump supporter dislike him and not support him. That’s the difference.

        In other words, admiring someone for their ideals and action is not the same as unconditionally supporting them. No politician deserves the latter.

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        I get the impression it’s different people making each of these conflicting arguments.

        Personally I have no problem with old people being in leadership positions; experience is useful. The problem with the old white men in charge of the USA is that they serve corporations, not that they’re old white men.

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        I voted for him in both primaries. But that’s why I was entirely fine that he didn’t win. The people chose, and it wasn’t him.