there’s no communities for my niche interests!!!

more like “i want a ready-made community where other people already putting effort into posting cool and intersting stuff, and all I want to do is sit on my ass and shower posts generously with “”“muh upvotes™””“”

  • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    182
    ·
    22 days ago

    As a man whose started 7 different communities I’d like to defend those people saying, if you don’t immediately get a good response it starts feeling like screaming into the void.

    I started a meme community !aneurysmposting@sopuli.xyz and it immediately took off and is doing well. On the other hand other my worst community got 2-3 people making one or two comments after a month of 2 posts everyday.

    Meme communities do well. Niche communities require lots of people finding it and being active.

    • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      51
      ·
      22 days ago

      But even aneurysmposting, the most successful wouldn’t survive if I wasn’t regularly posting. Partially bc people just forget a community exists. I end up posting in the same 10-15 communities since I can’t think of relevant communities to post in; even if they exist very often.

      I enjoy running aneurysmposting and !inmymind@lemmy.dbzer0.com since there only I can post and there is no pressure. It basically is like posting to local, but I have an archive if everything I post.

      Similarly !shortstories@literature.cafe is another community I made and enjoy posting on, but my posts are like 50% of that instance and 80% of that community. But its a great community otherwise.

      The other 4 have been different levels of disappointing.

      • Rolando@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        34
        ·
        22 days ago

        Hey fam, go to !fedigrow@lemm.ee and check out the weekly “How are you doing with your communities?” post if you haven’t already. It’s like a support group for people keeping niche communities alive.

      • UltraHamster64@lemmy.worldOP
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        22 days ago

        I feel you as I too struggled to keep small community afloat and alive. And it sometimes does feel like you are screaming in to the void. I was kinda fortunate in a sense that my community got atleast some trafficin votes/comments and that motivated me to stay and post.

        My point is that it’s always better to try to do something (even if it fails) than just whine about it.

        I also want to salute you (and people like you), we are all here in part because you take time of your day to find\make and post stuff. Even if in the moment it doesen’t get noticed or feels like it’s in vain, know that it is never for nothing - you’re making the hour\day or even week of 100s of people better

        • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          22 days ago

          Comments come in which keeps the motivation. The issue is if I’m busy for a week or month I come back to a dead community. (And I’m not gonna use a bot to keep regular activity, that idea grosses me out.)

          But yeah I do think a lot more people could try and perhaps don’t go super niche, but try making a community for a genre or subgenre. Music will get more traction than folk music which will get more traction than Bob Dylan and yet you can post the same thing you want from the niche in the other 2.

          PS. This is the kind of situation where you should link your community so people like me can join in.

      • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        22 days ago

        Well you started later and used a reddit import as a template which people can be a little averse to. But the community is doing really well and you’ve taken good care of it. Keep it up mate!

    • jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      22 days ago

      Absolutely this. I’ve started a few, and after being the only one to ever post on one of them, I have practically given up. It also burned me out of a hobby.

      • balderdash@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        18 days ago

        The funny thing is, if you don’t fit into the culture (or even just disagree with moderation) people tell you to go start your own. Which is like telling you to go sit in a corner by yourself.

        • jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          18 days ago

          Yeah that is very fair. However, you can say “I’m sitting in my own corner, with blackjack and hookers”

  • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    126
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    22 days ago

    This is kind of bullshit. On a big platform, like Reddit, where there are orders of magnitude more users, the likelihood is that there are a good number of people interested in whatever niche topic you want. That’s a draw for a lot of people. I left Reddit for Lemmy for good, but we’re just not up to that kind of user base.

    And it’s not zero effort to get a community going and keep it active, especially with a small user base. It’s perfectly reasonable for someone to want a place that discusses their niche interest without wanting to be responsible for running that place. It doesn’t make them bad or lazy.

    • Jesus_666@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      22 days ago

      Especially if you didn’t have a lot of spare time. With an active community you can just dip into discussions when you have the time. With a community you’re trying to establish yourself you absolutely have to provide a steady stream of content until it (hopefully) takes off.

      • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        22 days ago

        Right, exactly. And let’s not forget that a healthy percentage of all online communities is made of lurkers who don’t really want to post at all, but they enjoy reading stuff they’re interested in.

      • OpenStars@discuss.online
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        22 days ago

        Genuinely… why though? Why not post once a week rather than per day? Or per month? Who is counting? If people want to join then they will, if not then they won’t, but either way will one post per day for the last six months make any difference to their decision vs. one post per week?

        I am no good at what I do. I try to enjoy it anyway.:-) Do with that what you will.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      22 days ago

      You could always go one level up. Like instead of a crochet community and a knitting community you could have a yarn community that incorporates all types of weaving with yarn.

      • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        22 days ago

        For sure, though that really doesn’t solve the problem. If I’m really into sports-themed shot glasses, making a post in a community for drinking ware, or for sports merchandise, isn’t going to mean I get more content about sports shot glasses, and it doesn’t increase the number of people on the site who have something to say about them. On a platform with millions of users, there might be enough other people with the same interest to generate a critical mass of content.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          18
          ·
          22 days ago

          Yeah but everyone seems to be expecting Lemmy to just turn into the high point of Reddit. Reddit wasn’t built in a day and neither will Lemmy be built in a day.

          • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            18
            ·
            22 days ago

            Completely agree. I personally I’m fine with the trade-off I made. There’s even some benefits to a smaller site. I remember on Reddit there were lots of times I didn’t make a comment, even when I had something to say, because there were already literally thousands of comments, some with thousands of upvotes, and I figured anything I said would be lost in the din. Here, if you’ve got something to say, it’s very likely to be seen.

    • Sc00ter@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      22 days ago

      I look at the nfl community here. It really only gets a handful of posts on Sunday and that’s it. It blows my mind that there isn’t more engagement

        • Sc00ter@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          22 days ago

          Im sure youre right. My point is thats not even a niche topic. A quick Google estimates there are 21 million viewers PER GAME every week. There are literally hundreds of millions of fans of the nfl, but even a subject so popular can’t maintain a healthy community on lemmy, how are these niche topics supposed to stand a chance at survival?

          • OpenStars@discuss.online
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            22 days ago

            It is a niche topic, here, where we all use Linux btw (or at least we keep our mouths shut if we don’t, for fear of being mobbed:-D).

            We talk about what we want to talk about here. Linux, memes, TV, uh… Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, beans, jeans, not pooping - and I think that’s pretty much it, except for politics, am I missing anything? 😁

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        21 days ago

        Like another user said, if Lemmy doesn’t have the numbers to support the niche communities you want, maybe you need to move one level up the niche.

        Like maybe there isn’t enough NFL activity on Lemmy yet to keep the NFL community active… But could there be enough sports fans to keep a sports community active? Could you perhaps settle for sharing a space with NHL, MBL, and/or soccer fans in a community that sacrifices a little bit of specificity for broadness to encourage activity?

          • Vespair@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            21 days ago

            Sure, whatever. The point is I think the key to Lemmy, at least during this community-building stage, is narrowing in on the right level of specificity of niches which can be supported here. Maybe “NFL” is too niche, so we try “sports.” But then maybe “sports” is too broad so “US sports” is the solution. The point is negotiating the level of specificity to find the more zeroed-in on option that can still receive enough engagement to be viable.

  • linearchaos@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    82
    ·
    22 days ago

    The problem isn’t that they won’t create them, there’s insufficient biomass to populate them.

    If I want to talk about a 5-year-old video game with myself, I’ll just open Notepad.

  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    81
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    21 days ago

    “Why complain about lacking a community when you can create your own ghost town”

  • Underwaterbob@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    69
    ·
    22 days ago

    I did. There’s almost zero engagement. My most popular thread is a meta narrative about me being in there talking to myself. There were at least two other attempts that are even more inactive. Not enough of y’all are into synthesizers.

    https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers

    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      27
      ·
      22 days ago

      Yeah the level of effort to keep the community engaged and to moderate the content is a tough job and really only possible for people who are really dedicated.

      • OpenStars@discuss.online
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        22 days ago

        On PieFed, although I’m not sure what I think about it, posts with more than one user-defined threshold will get auto-collapsed, and then a second such threshold allows it to be hidden entirely.

        So two people with opposing preferences could browse the same community but see it differently. The one wanting to see everything being allowed to do so - rather than that being the arbitrary decision of a mod (team), and the content hidden away in a mod log somewhere else, mostly inaccessible. Whereas the one who didn’t want to “waste” their time, and rather trusting the feedback of the community, could have those collapsed or hidden if they so choose.

        This allows democratization of the modding process: every voter is equally a mod as the next. Or maybe some trusted members more so than others? (But if so, it can’t be TOO much higher than the others, or it could become overwhelming)

        The major pitfall I see is if votes are allowed outside of the community, then it’s vulnerable to being brigaded easily by a larger outside force.

        Still, it’s fascinating to see these experiments actually happen in that software that is available right now! e.g. on PieFed.social.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    edit-2
    21 days ago

    Making the community doesn’t mean it has any activity. There’s tons of communities already made for a bunch of niche topics. None of them are being posted in. There’s also communities that aren’t niches that also lack activity.

    !eldenring@lemmy.world only has about 3 active users, not including myself. The DLC is still pretty new and it’s a massively popular game.

  • Zombiepirate@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    22 days ago

    I wish instead that people would post in the general communities first, then spin off into a new community if there is interest.

    Like, we don’t need a whole community for the new Dragon Age game or whatever, but we do have a games community that would benefit from the post. Then if there are 20 Dragon Age posts every day it could obviously support it’s own community.

    • wjrii@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      22 days ago

      This. All of us Reddit Refugees (me included) fucked up when we arrived and put the cart before the horse. Lemmy is like a small town; you may simply not get all the specific communities you want, but there’s probably somebody with a similar enough interest that they’ll talk to you about the stuff you like, and they probably have things that you would like to talk about if you saw it. Higher-level categories should do fine unless and until a certain type of content starts to annoy other users by its sheer prevalence.

      As someone else said, Lemmy is the niche community.

    • Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      22 days ago

      So true, we were trying to shape lemmy into reddit so much that we skipped few steps like this which even reddit had to go through.

    • Elle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      22 days ago

      Hey speaking of, while !games@lemmy.world is a great example, if you’re not finding similar communities for your interest, feel free to post over in !general@lemmy.world for what Zombiepirate’s describing.

      Hobby without a community around here? Just not really sure if an existing community is open to non-news posts? General’s got ya covered.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      21 days ago

      I don’t even know how to find new communities that aren’t part of my instance. Is there some place that just lists them by date created?

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        21 days ago

        On my instance you just click “Communities” at the top and it gives you a list of communities with three options at the top Subscribed/Local/All just like the main feed. Click all and you can browse or search the list of all communities, though the search is not great.

        • Microw@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          21 days ago

          Your instance does need to know about these communities existing first though. For recently created communities on another instance that might not be the case. Which is where services like Lemmy Explorer help.

  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    24
    ·
    edit-2
    21 days ago

    Can’t wait for 0 people to join my Haibane Renmei community that I don’t have the experience or patience to mod, nor the understanding of the source material to justify creating it in the first place

    ETA: I just searched, and found out one person already has made a Haibane Renmei community. It has one subscriber, the person who made it, who has been inactive since 2022. There are some things that simply can’t be replicated in a smaller platform.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      21 days ago

      Modding a niche Lemmy community is a breeze, honestly

      Not much is happening, but not many troublemakers, either. Modding is pretty much zero effort.

      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        21 days ago

        Very Lain adjacent! Yoshitoshi Abe did the character design for Serial Experiments Lain before making Haibane Renmei. There are many Lain fans in the Haibane community

  • Elle@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    22 days ago

    Going against the post’s spirit, but…If you’re not finding a community for your interests (or only finding abandoned/inactive ones), and don’t want to create one (or try to get existing ones going), you’re welcome over in !general@lemmy.world. Post about whatever, find likeminded folks, then if ya think there’s enough of ya, you can make a separate community without it being one person posting into a void.

    Also there’s !justpost@lemmy.world. Similar vibes.

    • sag@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      22 days ago

      Doesn’t matter. Even if it get only 3 or 4 upvotes still doesn’t fucking matter. Just create a community and flood it with content.

      • oo1@lemmings.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        22 days ago

        I’d call that a “webpage” though, one with an ill-fitting name. One person with a sandwich board and a megaphone yelling at a few passers by who at best smile, give a half-hearted thumbs up, then walk away.

        To me, for it to live up to the name “community” that implies several people sharing stuff and a bit of reciprocity.

        Of course that might take time, the first poster might be one of those proverbial people planting those trees that they’re never going benefit fron the shade of. Theres no harm in just creating it making a few posts and leaving them there- it might become active eventually. But it could be never and it will inevitably take a lot longer if the platform only has a million users a day total than if it had a billion.

        You can probably do some sort of critical-mass / chain-reaction / markov chain type model to get a handle on the chances of a niche community becoming active in small population. Like that ‘Drake equation’ for trying to stop people wasting resources on SETI.

        • sag@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          21 days ago

          I don’t know if someone is even upvoting your post and in a while replying to it. I consider it as engagement. Sorry, I am GenZ. So, I have different definition of online community.

          • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            21 days ago

            You’ll be lucky to get a couple up votes.

            It’s like streaming with no viewers, only the activity you’ve doing isn’t something fun you’d be doing anyways, eg gaming

              • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                17 days ago

                Isn’t that game one of the most successful and popular games of the decade? If that didn’t get traffic here it’d be absolute shambles

                There are topics here I imagine would get traffic, like a community for sharing hilariously bad code, or a popular video game, etc.

                But if your niche strays from the handful of common lemming niches, then you’re kind of out of luck.