• kamen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    101·
    14 hours ago

    … and then hope that you don’t get hardware issue warranty claim denied because of the software.

  • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
    27·
    18 hours ago

    Every DRM related app afterwards: WARNING! This phone is running insecure software and is incompatible with this service.

    And before you tell me just to not use Netflix on my phone, I’m talking about a government app that lets me authenticate and without which I can’t read official messages or login to any government or banking service.

    So if I want to survive as an adult Dane, I pretty much have to figure out which company I would like to get sodomized by, and which is less of a clingy little bitch afterwards.

    • Kairos@lemmy.today
      6·
      11 hours ago

      What trash-ass country requires you to maintain a proprietary operating system and device to access government services?

      • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        11 hours ago

        They referred to themselves as a Dane, which is somebody who lives in Denmark. So the country in question is likely Denmark.

        • Kairos@lemmy.today
          2·
          10 hours ago

          Oh. That makes sense. My brain must have passed it over thinking it was a typo (of course they’re not a dog of a specific breed)

    • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
      7·
      14 hours ago

      Oooooor have a secondary cheap absolute trash phone that is ONLY for those shitty government auth tools. Not ideal but gives you some control again

  • arc@lemm.ee
    13·
    23 hours ago

    And then anon still walks around with a beacon in their pocket

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
    18·
    1 day ago

    I’d love to degoogle and debullshit my phone but then I need the back app… I’d like to tap with my phone to pay, and that won’t be allowed because we can have nice things.

    I’d like to use a host of other apps I won’t be able to use anymore…

    Any solution that allows me to just use a nice phone with all the features?

    • zoostation@lemmy.world
      6·
      17 hours ago

      Pay with a credit card, you can tap those, and then you’re not inviting one of the tech giants to monitor your purchases for no reason.

      • Dale'sDeadBug@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        13 hours ago

        Your payment processor and creditor are probably also selling your info btw. If you use a service like Google Pay or Samsung Pay there’s a layer of anonymity between you and the merchant at a minimum. Google has an incentive to monetize your data, but they for sure don’t sell it. Companies pay them to advertise to certain demographics and geozones, but parting with that info would make them obsolete in a heartbeat. That’s the strategy nowadays at least. Hoard the data and tightly control access to it. Last time I checked(it’s been a few years), only like 8 people at Google even had the ability to decrypt user data with master keys to comply with lawful orders given by courts, and even then they had a good track record of denying subpoenas due to an unreasonable request for mass amounts of user data outside of specific timelines or even data on people who were within a geofence at the time of a crime. It’s why there moving your maps timeline away from their severs and onto the device. I’m all for giving companies some shit where they deserve it, but in my opinion this kind of stuff gets blown out of proportion and parroted everywhere without much explanation.

        • zoostation@lemmy.world
          3·
          8 hours ago

          I know too much about how ad tech works. I’ve written code to de-anonymize all the data Google leaks through bid requests. Not individual credit card transactions, but enough to make me want nothing to do with them.

          Ignorance is bliss as far as credit card companies go, I tell myself they sell anonymized transactions as csv dumps that aren’t tied to cookies etc. It’s probably worse than that. But if I really want to be anonymous, I pay cash.

    • Ajzak@lemm.ee
      10·
      24 hours ago

      put your credit card in the back of the case hah

      best bet is get a phone with default android and delete default apps with ADB

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      20 hours ago

      Honestly I wish we just had dumb phones and went back to Palm Pilots. But there’s so much stuff that makes a phone mandatory nowadays.

      • Nalivai@lemmy.world
        3·
        18 hours ago

        Nobody, nothing stopping you from buying a dumb phone and a dumb tablet. You can do it right now.

      • KomfortablesKissen
        6·
        23 hours ago

        Thanks to the companies you cannot love the phones without accepting the company’s every whim. So I don’t love phones.

    • Kairos@lemmy.today
      27·
      2 days ago

      The current state of phones is WILD. Two bad options yet most everyone (including me) still use them. I actually like to use it as evidence that most people would be fine if plopped in front of Ubuntu or Debian+Gnome/KDE

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      23·
      2 days ago

      That’s why my current phone is a Pixel running GrapheneOS. I still hate Android, but at least I don’t have to run Play services on my main profile. I do run it on a separate profile though for a couple services that need it.

      I really just want Linux with decent support for phone features (MMS/calls/data on any carrier, with full wake from sleep reliability), decent battery life, and decent audio quality. Unfortunately, PinePhone doesn’t seem to handle those things properly (maybe it does MMS now?), so I stick w/ my GrapheneOS phone, which at least cuts out most of the crap from Android.

    • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
      58·
      2 days ago

      I still haven’t found a way to make my parents use Signal, so either I stop communicating with them (which is tempting sometimes) or have this compromise

      • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
        31·
        21 hours ago

        Easy choice. No such nasty crAPP (pun intended) will touch my innocent phone. If they wouldn’t even install a safe(er) app for their kid, then that’s already enough communication.

        • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
          5·
          20 hours ago

          Well life is all about what morals you decide to follow, I’ve evidently chosen the one where I’m handing over a small amount of privacy to be less of a pain in the ass to the people around me.
          And the main reasons are:

          1. elder parents I need to take care of
          2. people won’t listen to you if you are unreasonable with them
        • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
          2·
          18 hours ago

          Can you get that to work with all messages or only a few groups you have to setup manually? Was looking into it before I started self hosting but didn’t find it desirable at that time and just resorted to do what anon did.

          • Black616Angel
            5·
            2 days ago

            While you are technically correct, most people vastly overestimate the cost of self hosting a (matrix) server. Mine costs like 5€ a month with domain and we use it as a group of 5 people.

      • Routhinator@startrek.websiteEnglish
        117·
        2 days ago

        I just don’t communicate with anyone that insists on using products that have user agreements I don’t agree with. The amount of bullshit user agreements are getting overloaded with makes them dangerous legal contracts that can have serious implications on your rights. Just ask the family whose daughter died at a Disney theme park and when they tried to sue Disney tried to force them to arbitration because their son had tried Disney+

        • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
          151·
          2 days ago

          Well evidently you’re not in charge of anyone’s healthcare: when you have a parent that has to be taken care of, you have to compromise if they’re not able to adapt

  • TommySoda@lemmy.world
    581·
    2 days ago

    It’s honestly such a pain in the ass to say no to everything Google shoves down your throat these days. And even after you say no it will remind you every so many days just in case you changed your mind after the 15th time you said no. Android used to be the “cool” phone but nowadays if you don’t install your own custom ROM it’s basically just Apple with extra steps

    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      25·
      2 days ago

      The number of services that have adopted dark patterns is too much.

      It’s no longer “No” with a checkmark that says “Don’t ask me again” to only “Not now” with the implied consent that they can ask you again later.

      Dropbox asks me every fucking time I use the browser.

      NewRelic asks me every fucking day.

      Amazon asks me every fucking order.

    • ryannathans@aussie.zoneEnglish
      158·
      2 days ago

      Apple is way better to use than a bloated android lol, once you debloat/install custom ROM sure then you get some peace

    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world
      101·
      2 days ago

      I wouldn’t say that’s a recent development. Back before I knew anything about privacy and security, I switched from android to apple because I was tired of all the bloat. My 8 gb phone had virtually no space for photos or apps I wanted after 5 years of updates for non deletable apps. That was almost 10 years ago.

  • atro_city@fedia.io
    383·
    2 days ago

    Fake: Anon can do any of this

    Gay: Bought a samsung phone

    P.S the kids have been raving about this phone just reduces all those steps to “buy phone”.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      22 hours ago

      > buy fairphone because I hate constructors adding their bloatware to my phone.
      > Boot it up, insert SIM.
      > Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification (thankfully I can hide it, just have to do it every reboot).

      How the fuck is that even legal

      • kadup@lemmy.world
        4·
        20 hours ago

        Keep in mind even if you decline everything and use a special ROM, your SIM card is a tiny computer running Java (yes, I know) and your carrier can run arbitrary applets there with access to your modem and some RAM.

        It has been shown multiple times that they can track locations this way, and some exploit chains have allowed them to use this to fetch other data from the phone.

      • atro_city@fedia.io
        46·
        2 days ago

        In the EU, I’m not headphones with jacks will be allowed to be sold (Arstechnica).

        Laptops get until April 2026 to comply, but most other things—phones, tablets, handheld gaming devices, computer accessories, and wireless headphones—will have to be powered by USB-C to be sold inside the EU from now on.

        I think it’s only a matter of time until phones with dual or triple USB-C start emerging.

        • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
          2·
          10 hours ago

          The key part is that you can charge and listen at the same time. Two USB-C ports would be fine IMO, but no, fuck me, you get one port.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
          10·
          2 days ago

          I don’t see how this has anything to do with blocking headphones w/ jacks, this only says wireless headphones have to be powered by USB-C. I’ve had wireless headphones that also have a jack so you can still use the headphones if the battery dies, and I also have headphones without power whatsoever and only work with a jack.

  • devilish666@lemmy.world
    17·
    2 days ago

    For me it just :

    • root it with magisk
    • install adguard + adaway + blocker + LuckyPatcher + LSPOSED
    • add custom filter to adguard & adaway like HAGEZI, 1Host, Cubic, StevenBlack
    • Tweak adguard so it always run on startup, using DNS Bootstrap/Falback, enable AntiDPI, etc…
    • Install LSPOSED Modules like HideMyAppList, Disable Target API Block, Let Me Downgrade, BOOTLOADERSPOOFER, etc…
    • Set Blocker mode to package manager
    • Disable any SDK/Tracker inside any apps with Blocker
    • Install magisk module like PIFork, ZygiskNext, Shamiko, etc
    • Reboot my phone
    • Tweak any LSPOSED Module so i can use any mobile banking apps or apps that stop working if phone rooted
    • Reboot again
    • Check play integrity fix & disable play protect
    • ???
    • PROFIT…
  • xep@fedia.io
    22·
    2 days ago

    If I’m not mistaken, Anon’s Phone will still communicate with Google services for location services and push notifications after this.

    • superkret@feddit.org
      271·
      2 days ago

      No, not after he removed everything with Google in the name, including Google Play services.

      What anon doesn’t realize it’s that you don’t need to root your phone for all this, you can just use adb or the universal android debloater.

      — sent from a Samsung that’s degoogled in the same exact way.

      • xep@fedia.io
        17·
        2 days ago

        I see. In that case his push notifications will not work for apps that rely on Google play services for them. A few other things off the top of my head:

        A-GPS SUPL must be changed Captive portal must be changed DNS, NTP servers must be changed Depending on how much you trust Chromium system webview should be avoided

        It is not trivial to remove Google from Android, even AOSP

        • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
          6·
          2 days ago

          Apps that don’t rely on google push notifications usually come with a workaround that shows a permanent fake notification; which then allows normal push functionality. If that doesnt bother you it works perfectly fine without play services.

          What makes me keep it myself is the necessity for certain play store exclusive apps such as banking and the one for my local public transit. Can’t do without those

        • superkret@feddit.org
          4·
          21 hours ago

          Yep, those are all issues you run into. Without microg you lose quite a bit of functionality. Personally, I’m content with sending less data to Google, so I leave some things alone.