The slide’s authenticity was confirmed by a Navy spokesperson, who cautioned that it was not meant to be an in-depth analysis.
The slide shows that Chinese shipyards have a capacity of about 23.2 million tons compared to less than 100,000 tons in the U.S., making Chinese shipbuilding capacity more than 232 times greater than that of the U.S.
The slide also shows the “battle force composition” of the countries’ two navies side-by-side, which includes “combatant ships, submarines, mine warfare ships, major amphibious ships, and large combat support auxiliary ships.” The ONI estimated that China had 355 such naval vessels in 2020 while the U.S. had 296. The disparity is expected to continue to grow every five years until 2035, when China will have an estimated 475 naval ships compared to 305-317 U.S. ships.
Another section of the slide provides an estimate on the percentage each country allocates to naval production in its shipyards, with China garnering roughly 70% of its shipbuilding revenue from naval production, compared to about 95% of American shipbuilding revenue.
Because of China’s centrally planned economy, the country is able to control labor costs and provide subsidies to its shipbuilding infrastructure, allowing the Chinese to outbid most competitors around the world and dominate the commercial shipping industry, Sadler said.
Alternative title - “Central planning is more efficient than markets” confirms US Navy
wow guys we’d better go to war with the wrold’s manufacturing base that is 6500 miles away over an island 50 miles off its coast. This is going to go really well for us I can feel it.
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That would require China’s military to not be a joke
remind me, what’s the name of the USA’s hypersonic missile?
The US has tons of ICBMs and has been testing the LRHW for a years now. Short range hypersonic missiles is cutting edge tech is extremely difficulty to use accurately. If you think China’s version is much of a threat to the US military I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
ICBMs are a different class from hypersonics, you mediocre dunce
Ableism? We can be more creative with our insults here
Yeah true, I’m at a pretty low level of consciousness today, I’m open to suggestions
Me too, I’d just go for ignorant jackass or something
Are you illiterate? They asked for a US hypersonic missile which an ICBM literally is. That’s why I specified “short range” in the next sentence you dumbfuck
You’re terminally dense. A hypersonic missile is capable of high-G maneuvering and self propulsion in the terminal phase of flight. An ICBM is capable of neither of those things, you’re just dead fucking wrong. Pack it up you donkey, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Propulsion system of Russian hypersonic missiles in the terminal phase: scramjets
Propulsion system of an ICBM warhead in the terminal phase: ???
Just give it up dipshit, be a grown up and take the L
A hypersonic missile is literally what it’s called. A missile that can reach speeds over Mach 5. Arguing semantics just makes you look like a fucking idiot.
lol pretty fun way to say failing over and over again. :cope:
Well unlike China the US prefers to prove that their tech works before trying to brag about it.
lmao, like the trillion dollar plane that can’t fly in the rain? go yank it to Top Gun some more, Michael Bay Jr.
the US military is the most expensive joke ever told in history. all it does is starve Americans, burn fossil fuels, and massacre unarmed civilians.
The F-35 can literally fly through the rain without a problem. Training safety restrictions doesn’t change the fact that it’s the most advanced fighter jet in the world.
I’m not sure I’d call the most powerful and technologically advanced military force in human history a joke, but you do lol
China: “Knock knock.”
USS Ronald Reagan: “Who’s there?”
China: “Dong Feng missile.”
USS Ronald Reagan: “Dong Feng Missile wh-”
Explosions
Dong Feng Missle: Misses by 27 miles
USS Ronald Reagan: Made in China lol
another boomer stuck in the 1980s
The joke is still relevant today
it wasn’t even relevant ten years ago. stop buying the absolute cheapest shit available, that’s why you think Chinese stuff is junk.
western chauvinists really think they can increasingly offshore all their production for forty years with no material consequences
shut the fuck up redditor
Death to America
Yikes
Zoinks!
Made in America!
Chinese buildings are made of cardboard and the missiles are made of tin foil cuz life is cheap in the east. These stupid fucking tankies removed China too much to understand that
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Yea I guess it is kind of embarrassing to just effortlessly mow down helpless peasant soldiers. But if you think that was some kind of challenge for the US military you are laughably naive.
the yankees left north korea of their own accord, they weren’t getting their asses handed to them or anything. they kept fighting at the 38th parallel for 2 years because uncle sam just didn’t feel like advancing. only americans harbor such backwards superiority complexes towards asian peoples that kicked their ass
Yea Uncle Sam shoulda escalated the war killing millions of more Koreans instead of resolving it peacefully….
I swear the anti-American circle jerk has given you people brain rot.
“resolving it peacefully”???
you arrogant, ignorant slime it ISNT FUCKING RESOLVED. a state of war exists between the Koreas with a ceasefire, not a peace treaty. the US dropped more munitions on Korea during this “de-escalation” than in the entire pacific theater of WW2. 1.2 million civilians were killed by the united states in the north, to this day the US imposes sanctions on essential goods to the DPRK, trying and during the 90s succeeding in starving their people. you talk about peace and Korean lives while defending the singular obstacle to peace and human wellfare in Korea, read a fucking book and become less of a monster
Yes a ceasefire is peaceful compared to full blown war you fucking moron. The only thing keeping NK a complete shit hole is themselves and China.
It truly takes a special kind of stupid to think the DPRK is the victim here.
The US only stopped bombing the DPRK because there was nothing left to bomb
I see some of your other arguments about inexperience in a different reply. Yeah I see what you’re driving at, they haven’t been out there picking fights with smaller countries since WW2. Either way this is a country with a GDP about 67% the size of the US GDP (vs #3 Germany that is 6x smaller). It has 3x the population. It is the world’s manufacturing center and apparently has much much greater capacity for shipbuilding. Meanwhile the US and the rest of the countries who would likely align with them have forfeited their industrial capacity to China in favor of service economies. China’s military inexperience is probably the least relevant input into the outcome. If there’s a war with China it will be long, brutal and fought on China’s doorstep - an awful long way from the US. They have similar technology and much greater manufacturing potential. This isn’t a winnable situation by the US. China won’t go the way of Japan and run short on resources.
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Instead they’ve probably been training for a much larger fight. NATO doctrine at this point is mostly geared around asymmetric warfare against a much poorer opponent. Like we’ve seen how Ukrainian troops given NATO training end up just switching back to their own doctrine.
The PLA on the other hand is concerned with two things: defense against the West and maybe recapturing Taiwan, which would also involve fighting the West.
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Also with little to no real world military experience.
The US would just cut of China from the rest of the world and starve them out. No need for a land war.
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If something drastic enough to get the US to go to war with China happens, the rest of the world (minus the usual authoritarian regimes) would absolutely go along with that.
But… outside of a Tom Clancy novel a full blown US China war will likely never happen since it would be economic suicide for all involved.
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The literal authoritarian regimes… China, Russia, NK
Chinas manufacturing has been on a steady decline for years, South East Asia has already proven they are capable and willing to pick up after China.
That would cause the US to starve itself long before China even felt it.
Do you think the US relies on Chinese food imports? The US is absolutely self sustainable with food. The country with a billion people is going to starve well before anyone else.
Cool, that’s food checked off. Now what about manufacturing?
Also, the same could be said for China, do you think China relies on US food imports?
Both sides would be pretty fucked when it comes to manufacturing. Both sides would just adapt tho.
China does rely on US and global imports. They’re a net importer and it’s been getting worse in recent years.
China is the second largest economy in the world. Blocking out china would hurt the US more than anyone else.
C’mon, call every hexbear user a wumao Putler bot
Hahahahahahahaha
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Siri, show me a map of US military bases globally versus Chinese bases.
China have nuclear weapons you can’t go to war with China.
Also China is not Nazi Germany stop comparing every country we’re geopolitically opposed to nazis
opposing the nazis was the last time the US was on the right side of something. Comparing things to nazis is like Al Bundy saying he threw four touchdowns.
back in '82, I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile.
Comparing China to the Nazis is hysterical, and the Nazis were flat out colonial expansionists who were gunning to occupy basically the entire planet. China wants government control over Taiwan as a matter of reunification. It isn’t annexing Japan.
What are you scared China will do? They aren’t colonizing the world, they aren’t committing genocide, and they are way less likely to instigate hot conflict of any kind than their peers.
They’re scared China will develop the productive capital it needs to meet the needs of most of the world’s workers. American capitalists won’t have any way to justify their existence.
i think you’re giving them way too much credit
For sure. This is for the benefit of lib lurkers.
Like clockwork
Hey they are one of the few instances who haven’t de-fedded (lol) from hexbear and ive seen some good takes from users there so please dont be an instance-ist.
These dense dipshits are welcome to keep showing up for abuse and reeducation
Yeah I find it very entertaining, if not depressing
the only major leader who wanted to get rid of Nazism in the 1930s was Stalin. The west was fine with Hitler as long as his expansion didn’t interfere with western colonialism and/or caused war solely with the Soviet Union
Bruh your army went up against the Chinese in the 1950s and got smacked around when the PLA could barely scrape together enough planes or ships to credibly have an air force or navy.
Your military consistently loses to irregulars and militias fighting with small arms and improvised bombs.
Your MIC is dipping into its emergency artillery shell reserve after just 1 year of supplying Ukraine.
In 20 years we’ll be looking back at this and debating exactly which conflict was America’s Suez crisis.
what if they’re all America’s Suez crisis and America is doing the equivalent of Britain and France repeating the suez crisis over and over again
essentially this
Works cited-
Author: John Q. Dipshit
Title: Just Trust Me, Bro
Hotlink
Yeah, you’re sure going to regret that your masters didn’t get your country nuked to oblivion
Something tells me you don’t care nearly as much about US imperialism
As opposed to the countries actively rooting for a genocide because it hurt the feelings of a vassal state?
Neither the French nor the British were too keen on stamping on Nazism because they saw Communism as the greater threat. When the Soviets tried to build an alliance to intervene against the Germans they were rebuffed at every turn.
Even as the Japanese was committing endless war crimes and atrocities in China, the Americans were happy to sustain their war economy with iron, steel, copper, and oil until it encroached on French interests.
I haven’t seen a Lemmy lib in ages it feels like. How did you get here?
MF wandered into the wrong instance lmao
Good.
just projectile projectioning all over the screen
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Who is the “we” here, bootlicker?
You’re so busy licking boots that you don’t notice which global superpower has controlled everything since the end of the Cold War.
The time for regret is now. 20 years ago the US might have been able to defeat China but we certainly couldn’t manage it now. Neoliberalism has hollowed out the Military-Industrial Complex to the extent that the US just couldn’t sustain a major war, especially a naval one.
extremely critical support for Reagan and Ayn Rand for their tireless efforts to cripple American industrial capacity
Capitalism in the US had to evolve into the neoliberal finance capital outsourcing capitalism by the 80s. The by the 70s the economic growth from rebuilding industrial capacity globally was spent. Capitalism in the US was experiencing a massive profitability crisis, and finance capital and outsourcing (what I think of as the two pillars of neoliberalism) was how that contradiction was resolved.
But now neoliberal has squeezed as much juice out of the orange as it can. What happens next is up for grabs…
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I hope you cry about China so much tonight that your eyes bleed you stupid racist dog.
You say China wants to control everything like it’s a bad thing. The choice is socialism or barbarism. Pull your head out of your ass.
you say that, but have you considered that pee pee poo poo?
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