Transphobic comments

Intentionally silencing the truth

  • @CameronDev@programming.dev
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    6 months ago

    Lol, if we start excluding tech based on the inventors mental illnesses we are gonna end up bashing rocks together to make fire.

    Edit: To be clear, I am not saying that being trans is a mental illness, only refuting that mental illness is not a reason to discard ones contributions. Apologies for any offence.

    • metaStatic
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      386 months ago

      let me tell you about the guy who invented bashing rocks together …

    • V ‎ ‎
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      286 months ago

      Pretty much lol. RMS went off the deep end so no GNU, Torvalds used to call people devil cunts so no Linux kernel. Theo probably did something to upset somebody lol. Maybe we can just use TempleOS and become computing hermits?

      • @CameronDev@programming.dev
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        476 months ago

        Goes back further than that, Turing was gay, so anything building off his works must also be transitively gay.

        To add to the modern examples, Reiser murdered his wife, which really puts “devil cunts” into perspective :D

        • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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          276 months ago

          Goes back another 100 years before that. Lovelace was a woman, who in her time wasn’t supposed to be doing anything at all

          • Lilium
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            96 months ago

            Back then people still believed in the “woman hysteria” thing, right? Ngl sounds very “mental illness” to me.

      • @lauha@lemmy.one
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        86 months ago

        Except all our hardware is made by major corporationw and there are no major corporations that work totally ethically and morally

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          96 months ago

          Hmm maybe we’ll run FreeDOS on breadboarded (vintage) 8086s and live in caves 😂.

          • @XTL@sopuli.xyz
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            A Microsoft (stolen) design and the most evil CPU arch?

            At least caves might be ethically sourced.

          • @vrighter
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            pretty hard to do computation on a pdf. which is what risc-v is. You need someone to design and build a chip according to what’s in those pdfs

              • @vrighter
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                i was replying to the point that all hardware is made by large corporations. That will not change, irrelevant of whether the isa is open source or not.

            • @XTL@sopuli.xyz
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              You know there’s tons of real chips out already and more coming all the time?

              ARM is as much just a spec at heart.

              • @vrighter
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                36 months ago

                and arm do not manufacture chips. Usually tsmc or samsung do. The fact that chips exist is orthogonal to the argument of who ends up manufacturing them

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            I like the idea of RISC-V, but I need something like a Raspberry Pi except RISC-V. I can accept a little jank, but it needs to be “good enough” if you catch my drift.

              • @crystal@feddit.de
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                26 months ago

                Are there any performance benchmarks for the Star64?

                Pine64 claims the chip to have performance similar to certain Cortex-A55 processors, which would put the Star64 on par with the Raspberry 4 series. Is that true?

      • The Doctor
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        66 months ago

        OpenBSD got a grant from the DoD, and then Theo posted his opinions of the post-9/11 US government, and they put a stop on the check before it even crossed the border. He pissed a lot of folks inside the Beltway off that day.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          -36 months ago

          So do you also think it is a mental illness, or are you just being a middle school edgelord?

          • @CameronDev@programming.dev
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            96 months ago

            The original post referred to it as a mental illness, and claimed that was a reason to ignore their contribution. I was simply pointing out the silliness of that logic. I dont think its a mental illness, amd I have absolutely no problem with the trans community.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              was simply pointing out the silliness of that logic

              There are many, many ways you could have done that without repeating the bigoted belief that being trans is supposedly a mental illness.

              • @CameronDev@programming.dev
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                86 months ago

                I didnt say anything about trans people in my original comment, and deliberately didnt quote the original post as its language disgusts me. Again, sorry for any offence caused, it was not intentional.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  -56 months ago

                  I didnt say anything about trans people in my original comment and deliberately didnt quote the original post as its language disgusts me

                  So why did you repeat the “mental illness” part?

                  If you really mean what you’re saying just take the L this one time and move on.

      • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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        Being trans is not a mental illness but let’s not encourage stigma around mental illness either.

        Cis people with mental illness are valid

        Trans people with mental illness are valid

        Mentally healthy trans people are valid

        Mentally healthy cis people are valid

        • @metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub
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          I mean, being trans is perfectly valid, but I think gender dysphoria itself should be classified as a mental illness so long as it brings significant pain/distress to the individual, the solution there is just gender reassignment, surgery, hormones, etc. I don’t think there should be stigma in calling it such, it needs treatment the same as anything else. People with ADHD have a mental illness and get meds, sometimes therapy, people with poor eyesight have an ocular dysfunction of some kind and get glasses or surgery or whatever, none of it should be that big a deal. The point is it can be diagnosed and treated.

          I think the response to shit like “transgenderism” being a mental disease should be “well at least their/our dysphoria can be treated now, what’s your excuse?”

    • @selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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      66 months ago

      It’s so easy to be called *phobic these days. It reminds of those relationships in which people feel like they are walking on eggshells.

  • @RegalPotoo@lemmy.world
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    666 months ago

    sigh, people suck.

    This is actually something that bugs me about GitHub - I’m a Professional Software Developer, and we use GitHub enterprise internally at work (don’t @ me, we don’t have the budget to run our own infrastructure, BitBucket is crap and the sales person at GitLab ghosted me on 3 consecutive calls that we set up to discuss our needs). I’m also in charge of a team, and actively encourage the team to contribute to open source - find a bug? Draw up reproduction steps, report it upstream, and Fridays after lunch are dedicated to getting those bugs fixed. One of these days one of my team is going to run across one of these assholes, and I’m going to have a proper HR incident on my hands because that is a hostile work environment. Doesn’t matter that it is a member of the public being a dick, I’ve got an obligation to ensure that my staff have a workplace free of harassment, and I’ve got absolutely no recourse against this other than to say “cool, we don’t contribute to this repo anymore”.

    • @_edge
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      that is a hostile work environment

      I understand your frustration. I go to GitHub für code, not for some weirdo’s Telegram channel. But, come on, do your employees have access to the internet? Does someone maintain a Facebook page on the clock? Is Google allowed? Reasonable people can distinguish between workplace and internet hate.

      • @RegalPotoo@lemmy.world
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        196 months ago

        Where I live at least, there is a difference because they are performing a task that they are being directed to perform as part of their job, as opposed to just randomly stumbling across hate while browsing the internet - if I’ve directed one of my staff to “submit a PR to this repo and work with the maintainers to get it merged” and some asshole drops into the comments they are being forced to engage in that situation, and that is not ok.

        One case that I’ve heard of is a pizza delivery place that had to pay some serious compensation to a couple of their delivery people because they refused to stop accepting orders from someone who would be super abusive if their delivery person wasn’t a white guy. Management knew what was happening, the drivers had complained and asked for a resolution, management had refused to do anything about it, so the business had to pay compensation.

        • @_edge
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          Where I live at least, there is a difference because they are performing a task that they are being directed to perform as part of their job

          I agree. This makes it a workplace problem. Sucks.

    • @digdilem@lemmy.ml
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      the sales person at GitLab ghosted me on 3 consecutive calls that we set up to discuss our needs).

      I’m guessing they looked at your company and decided you weren’t worth enough to them.

      We found Gitlab’s pricing to be, frankly, ridiculous for the number of seats we have. Shame, the product is nice, just the sales team and pricing structure blows goats.

    • @FishFace@lemmy.world
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      Rules around preventing a hostile work environment don’t place an obligation on anyone to prevent it at all costs. It means that if an employee or - more relevantly here - a customer - is being hostile, then the workplace needs to make sure the employee or customer stops. But if you work in a call centre cold calling people, your company isn’t going to get fined if you get an earful of abuse. (They might get fined for cold-calling depending on specifics :P) Same here.

  • @merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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    Transphobia and such aside (which are shitty and unnecessary in their own right), how on earth can you realistically boycott Wayland when nearly every last Xorg dev has moved to Wayland permanently?

    X11 is simply end of life, and there are no display server technologies or protocols that exist to challenge Wayland because no one cares enough to bother with the immesnse work it entails? At best you’ll be stuck on a legacy distro for a few years until your display drivers become too out of date for whatever apps you use.

      • @lorty@lemmy.ml
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        146 months ago

        They thrive of hating the weaker groups in society. If you want some morbid fun, try asking one of those what they should do with trans people if the had the power…

      • Zoolander
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        146 months ago

        If they had to get mad at reality, there’d be a lot less to be mad about. Being mad about made-up BS is a way for them to have their cake and eat it too. It’s boogeymen all the way down.

      • WalrusDragonOnABike
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        96 months ago

        They want everyone to be cis, so obviously everyone else wants people to be in their groups too!

      • @interceder270@lemmy.world
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        The main reason is that they try to control what people think and how they feel. They don’t understand that just because they want to be seen and treated a certain way doesn’t mean everyone else needs to accommodate them.

        If you believe men can’t be women (and vice-versa), that’s fine. If you believe they can, that’s fine too.

        If you believe your view is an abject fact and there should be no discussion, then that’s not fine. Unfortunately, a lot of people fall into the last category where they hear something that challenges their beliefs and immediately want to censor it. All that does is create enemies by telling people they can’t discuss their views.

        It’s an effective tactic, on both sides.

        • Nobody is trying to control what people think or how they feel. You’re really just being an ignorant fool in every comment you post, aren’t you?

      • @the_third@feddit.de
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        56 months ago

        The easiest way to steer a group is to get them all riled up about an issue that you don’t really need to do something about. Whenever you sense dissent or disorder you pull out that issue and everyone’s focused again and then you do whatever is actually in order.

      • @Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml
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        Those in power hate losing control. That’s why bodily autonomy, sexual freedom, critical thinking, accurate history, and religious diversity are all their go-to boogymen.

        Trans folk are just one of the more recent groups to be targeted.

        I’ve known four out trans people. One was a piece of shit. The other three turned out to be amazing and empathetic people who all made my life better just by knowing them.

        It turns out, when you deal with people being entitled jerks to you all day, that tends to make you a better person. Forged in fire and all that.

      • FoundTheVegan
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        176 months ago

        How dare you be upset when you are insulted!

        🙄

        Really? Jokes about steam roller counts as violence? Those Looney Toon be a real scary show for ya? Wild they make it for kids.

        Shame on you. Feign your mock outrage and cry those crocodile tears, for the rest of us are laughing at the sad transparency.

        • @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
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          In what world is driving a steamroller over someone not violent? How would you like it if someone made a meme about driving a steamroller over transgender people?

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                Because it’s a very silly question, one that I’m not going to entertain because…

                Do you really think this person is out renting a steam roller? And trying to find the street address of that person now?!

                You are steching so hard to call this a violent threat when it could not be more silly. You’re not motivated by “preventing violence”, because the entire premise here is ridiculous at face value. You’re motivated by wanting to call trans people unstable.

                Go tell your friends, your boss, your family you stopped someone from getting killed by a steam roller by saying “tut tut, ur crazy” on the internet. You know damn well they are gonna laugh at you.

                • @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  So I presume if someone posted a comment saying “I’d love to roll him over with a steamroller” under a post about a transgender person, you would not consider that a violent threat because they are not going to actually get a steamroller?

      • darq
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        96 months ago

        Let’s not pretend that you actually give a damn about transgender people. This is just concern trolling.

  • You want give some context here? We don’t even know who is speaking in these screenshots, and to what end. Why would this even be a conversation?

  • temeela [she/them]
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    456 months ago

    I’ve filed a report to GitHub on this guy, I assume you did the same but ugh, people suck.

  • @tetris11@lemmy.ml
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    I remember back when I thought all FOSS was part of the FSF, and that itself was formed of hippie liberal progressives. Had a rude awakening when I found about the MIT vs GPL rift, and then another on HN when I realised half the people in software were just there to make money.

    • @pixelscript@lemmy.ml
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      236 months ago

      I had a period where I didn’t really understand the GPL or what it was trying to do. All I knew is that it was ““viral”” (whatever the hell that meant!) and that, supposedly, trying to use it would forever bind you and your creation to who knows what unforeseen legal horrors. I mean, look how long it is! It’s frightening! I wanted absolutely nothing to do with it at first.

      Then I got a clue and actually read it. It’s quite straightforward. For almost all serves and purposes it’s basically just MIT plus copyleft. All the legal density is just an effort to squash every conceivable loophole to the copyleft directive. I’m no longer afraid of it, I think it’s pretty cool.

      The thing I want to know now is why so many projects think their shit don’t stink and that they need to pollute the FOSS ecosystem with their own stupid permissive license that is functionally identical to the MIT license.

        • The Doctor
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          26 months ago

          Could also have to do with running a gauntlet of lawyers to be allowed to open some code you wrote.

    • @interceder270@lemmy.world
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      So like… and hear me out, software has just changed over time. Way more people use and develop it now, so it kind of makes sense that it would revolve around what most people are interested in. That’s not really hippie liberal progressive stuff. I’m in it for that. I’m all about the GPL. But while we are a relative minority, it’s not like our absolute numbers have dropped or even stagnated.

      I’d say we’re growing at a steady pace. I think it happens with pretty much all new forms of art. Look at video games, movies, music, etc.

      • @tetris11@lemmy.ml
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        My simple worldview: The Linux kernel is a good thing. A community driven project that betters the world by putting control into the power of the people, written by the goodwill of developers in their free time, and later, reluctantly by big corps who saw it as a threat too big to ignore.

        To my naive self, these were all sure signs that the world was moving progressively to the side of the economic left, born out of a need for a common world computing infrastructure/kernel. Nice people doing nice things for other people. Sharing/caring, etc. etc. I genuinely assumed a strong social left movement dominated computer science.

        Again, I was shocked by how many people just wanted to use it to found their startups, not share their code, or not contribute anything back to the frameworks that empowered them.

  • Bloody Harry
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    [Completely unrelated to the content] How the heck is this post managing to crash two out of my three lemmy clients?

  • @TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    Unsurprising. I’ve seen a fair amount of people in the Linux community like this.

    It’s also quite hilarious to see them frothing at the mouth so much over Gnome getting some money to aid in accessibility improvements lol. Can’t be having the less abled using computers now, can we?

    • @socsa@lemmy.ml
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      Wait until FOSS nerds learn that the NSA and DoD are some of the top upstream contributors to FOSS projects.

    • Cralder
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      Someone is mad that GNOME got a 1 000 000 € grant from the government and is blaming trans people

  • @IverCoder@lemm.eeOP
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    226 months ago

    Sorry for the Windows emojis lol, I’m on a computer shop as I post this on lunch break

  • @dino
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    196 months ago

    I dont understand, give context, who is binex-dsk and why should I care?

  • I’m actually pro LGTB and hate Wayland. Don’t make us all look as conservative scumbags. Some of use just hate Red Hat (IBM) because of their big corp nature.

        • @clearleaf@lemmy.world
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          This comic never made sense to me. She hates sea lions because they don’t let people talk shit about them. Seems like she’s the problem here in neo london where sapient sea lions live among us. They’re here, get over it.

          • @Kindness@lemmy.ml
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            because they don’t let people talk shit about them

            The manner in which you engage in dialogue is important.

            Pretending to not understand another person’s viewpoint, and annoying them into compliance, is arguing in bad faith. Arguments in bad faith are malicious deception.

            Nobody wants to speak with sea lions because even if you explain in good faith, it won’t amount to anything except your own frustration. A summary of the heart of the sea lion: Arguing with me is pointless. “And now that you’re mad, you’ll know better than to talk shit about sea lions.”

            Don’t be a sea lion. You can protest opinions without being manipulative or rude about it.

            • Communist
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              16 months ago

              …do you actually think the sea lion understands why people hate sea lions?

              None of this is in the comic.

              • @Kindness@lemmy.ml
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                They must, by definition. So yes. But for the sake of illustration, let’s assume someone who acts like a sea lion isn’t arguing in bad faith, but they aren’t arguing in good faith either. Whether they and unintentionally annoying, or not, ultimately makes no difference to the people around them.

                Let’s say a specific oblivious person is combative and persistent. They are not truly trying to understand something, they just want to be right. You try to explain why their responses could be considered rude and prompt self reflection.

                A) Will they evaluate themselves and realize what they are doing? B) Will they argue because they insist on being right?

                The former is a rude person, but they are someone trying to figure out the world. Whether you engage with them or not, eventually they will realize their actions are causing disengagement. We’re all trying to learn and become better versions of ourselves. This person made some mistakes, realizes it, then changes.

                There is no point in engaging the latter. Their lack of self awareness is irrelevant to the outcome and your mental state. Leave them alone, and don’t respond. If you do respond, and they realize they are wrong, but continue: they become a sea-lion if the fake politeness, and troll if they become inflammatory.

                Don’t feed the trolls. If they want to, “be right,” they can be alone in thinking they’re right, and you can get back to learning and bettering yourself.

                None of this is in the comic.

                No satirical comic literally explains the intent of the comic; intent must be inferred based on the events it depicts. Or you can search the internet, Know Your Meme attempts to track culture and context. Yay for them.

                • Communist
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                  16 months ago

                  Ah, I see, i didn’t realize sea lioning was an established term before that.

        • @Kindness@lemmy.ml
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          The point of the sea lion is persistent argument in bad faith.

          The difference between, “prove your opinion,” can be subtle in its difference from, “why do you think that?”

          Insinuating someone is badgering and being maliciously dishonest, because they asked for context, is poor etiquette.

        • Communist
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          26 months ago

          I’m absolutely team sea-lion here, did you read that comic?

          I mean, just imagine if the sea-lion was a black person…

      • @interceder270@lemmy.world
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        Damn, imagine having to answer this question every time you say you don’t like something.

        Something tells me you don’t ask this when people say they hate X.

        • By x you mean twitter? Maybe because its very clear and visible why its shit.

          With Wayland, not so much. I don’t see any issues with it either, so by asking someone who hates it, why. Maybe that person will mention something i didn’t know yet and see their perspective.

        • Communist
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          I mean yeah, it’s obvious why X/twitter is shit, everyone has the exact same opinion about this.

          Why would I ask about that when the answer is obvious? And why would I not ask when the answer isn’t obvious?

            • Communist
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              There’s also plenty of obvious reasons to hate the X windowing system. Like that it’s unmaintained and going the way of the dodo. Plus learning about a system that is old is less interesting than something that is new. I don’t care about the ways a dead, unmaintained system sucks, so why would I ask?

    • Iapar
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      Sometimes it helps to talk about things that affect you. It is a healthy way to go about things.

    • The Doctor
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      46 months ago

      You’d rather not know that someone you might find yourself working with could turn on you in the blink of an eye for a reason you’re not even aware of?

  • Emily
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    86 months ago

    Ah, the James Damore archetype of an engineer. I bet they get wet dreams imagining themselves as the Howard Roark of programming (and just as delusional).