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    Because Putin is bankrolling two or three minor political parties and the front runner of a major political party. That fucking anti-war protest in DC was the dumbest shit. Yeah let’s have two political parties that agree on absolutely fucking nothing except for hating Ukraine co-host an event where Ron Paul’s bitch ass makes up stories about how congresspeople told him that they needed to start a war to fix the economy while some limpdick tankie waves the Soviet flag around in the background

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      Most people posting as tankies today aren’t tankies.

      As someone who has done extensive reading in modern Marxism, Rawlsian doctrine, anarchism both historical and modern, and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference), many of those posting as far leftists are coming from wholly self-constructed positions. They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

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        Tankies on Lemmy are 100% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. They aren’t even trying to hide it at this point.

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          One of them on chapotraphouse said “I’m gonna vote for Trump just so see the US finally burn to the ground” and I replied “horseshoe theory: confirmed” and the mods removed my comment lmao

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            I’ve had one case on lemmy.ml where they deleted many of my comments but kept the brigading comments responding.

            There are definitely lines that some mods will defer to one side.

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              I opened accounts on multiple instances due to the instability (and information propagation dynamics) of individual ones. I figured “why not?” I had several Reddit accounts, after all, and it just seemed to make sense.

              I thought lemmy.ml was for machine learning. The UI I was using didn’t include self-descriptions.

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            Someone accused me of denying the Holocaust because I said Poland didn’t invade the Soviet union

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              I got a ban on Lemmy for “genocide denial” for saying the Russian invasion of Ukraine had traits of genocide.

              These people are shockingly propagandized.

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                Crazy how tankies support Russia (despite them not even being communist, domestic abuse, treatment of gay people, and ties with conservatives). And are just okay with Russia killing entire villages of Ukraines because their supposed Nazi government (didn’t let a Russian puppet in government).

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        Cosplay communists. They don’t actually believe in communism, they just like the esthetic and being contrarian.

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        They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

        That’s… a tankie, at least functionally. If they’re spouting the propaganda, I don’t care where it came from or whether it’s officially certified as doctrine.

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        and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference)

        “And sho on” [sniff] “and sho forth.”

        Unironically Zizek is very fascinating though.

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      At this point I think he’s probably bankrolling a lot more than just the front runner.

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        “You can’t say we have a problem until you’re in line for the death camps”

        Great plan, very helpful.

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        Only once they’ve taken over. But once there’s more than the unavoidable fringe of them around and they start having a real shot at power, you have a problem, even if they can’t yet stop people from criticizing them

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      America doesn’t have a fascism problem, Americans just like to see themselves as some sorts of victims. Russia, China and Iran do have a real fascism problem though.

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        The republican/right wing party attempted to overthrow an election. And they are unabashed about that. And somehow they still have a 3rd of the country still supporting them.

        Is that not enough for us to qualify as having a real fascism problem?

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        We very much have a fascism problem. It’s very very concerning and it’s very concerning you either are disregarding it or know nothing about it.

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    When I cleared out my grandma’s attic there were her ww2 correspondence letters with soldiers on the front.

    I was not prepared for the amount of american soldiers writing about how wonderful Hitler was and we shouldn’t be at war in Europe because the real enemy were the Reds.

    “Heil Hitler and Fuck the Reds!” is a line from one.

    It really put the inevitability of the Cold War into perspective.

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    This is really nitpicky. When there is war, there is anti-war protest.

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      Yeah these guys weren’t anti war. They were pro Hitler.

      Kind of like the GOP is pro Putin.

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        https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

        "Forty years ago Germany proclaimed the slogan: “Germany above everything. Germany for the Germans, first, last and always. We want peace; therefore we must prepare for war. Only a well armed and thoroughly prepared nation can maintain peace, can command respect, can be sure of its national integrity.” And Germany continued to prepare, thereby forcing the other nations to do the same. The terrible European war is only the culminating fruition of the hydra-headed gospel, military preparedness. "

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          She’s absolutely right. And she identifies the core problem too. It only takes one country. So we’re trapped by the prisoner’s dilemma. There is a multiverse slice out there somewhere where Democracy solved these issues because proponents of military build ups were voted out everywhere. But it’s not our universe. As long as there’s a state building hard power to fuck with other countries we’re all trapped.

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            Democracy governing with good sense and moral integrity? That sounds a lot like entropy reversing itself. Possible in theory, but requires access to an infinite number of random universes to actually witness.

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            you seem to be trapped in the dilemma of picking up a flag when fighting against something.

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          Eh, military unpreparedness, to compare, leads to becoming a victim.

          And (some) democracy, (relative) equality and all that (including trade and peaceful life being perceived as something more honorable than conquest) in Europe were historically spearheaded by United Provinces, Hanseatic cities and all those guys who were militarily prepared.

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          Because Germany, as well as any other european state at that time, was a genocidal maniac who shouldn’t be trusted with guns. However the Germany of today is far removed from those times and rivalries. And we’re not even talking about Germany, but the EU as a whole. We are talking about Europe, was a community of states, providing the protection themselves that they enjoyed by the US in the past.

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      For Iraq, the anti-war protests were really popular.

      When France told the truth about the whole situation at the UN, the whole US population was right behind them and protested en masse in the streets.

      Or maybe I misremember…

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        The only thing I remember is a bunch of restaurant owners changed french fries to freedom fries. I also was living in a fairly rural (redneck) area at the time. Depending on how long they stayed “Freedom Fries” really spoke volumes about the type, and quality, of the food that was served.

        • Up for a short amount of time: Food is probably fine. Restaurant owner was bandwagoning and probably didn’t want to alienate his clientele.

        • Up for several months to a year: More likely to be greasy spoon type place. The food is probably okay with only a smallish (5-10%) chance of explosive diarrhea after eating there.

        • Up for 1-2 years: Literally every menu item has gravy on it somehow. You could probably order a piece if dry white bread it would come pre-soaked in gravy. You have about a 50/50 chance of shitting your brains out after eating here

        • Still “Freedom Frying” 2-3 years on: These places serve rat meat. It’s the only explanation for how they are in business. Expect everything to have a weird taste like stale Marlboros. The people that own/work in the restaurant couldn’t collectively come up with a full set of teeth combined. Food poisoning is part of the experience.

        • “Fredum Frys” in 2024: This is front. You should not ever eat here. You will most likely get food poisoning from walking in the front door. Those french fries are actually surplus from the Iraq invasion. They make meth in the back and their cook has a loaded pistol sitting on the counter.

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        Story time: I went to an Iraq War protest back in the day. Some people wandered out of the protest zone and (to be completely fair, I didn’t see what started the altercation) got their asses beat by the cops. One brave kid stood out from the crowd and said, “Come on, guys! We have to help them!” We all looked at each other and were like, “Uh… no.” The brave lad then charged in and promptly got his ass beat by the cops. The war still happened.

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          Holy shit Americans are lame. No wonder your country sucks so much. In the civilised world that would’ve been a full on brawl, and they’d have burnt down the police station later for good measure.