In her first campaign rally as the presumptive Democratic nominee to face Donald Trump, Vice President Kamala Harris took aim at her Republican rival and a widely derided Trump-linked platform that provides a blueprint for the next GOP administration.
“Donald Trump wants to take our country backward,” she said in remarks from Milwaukee on Tuesday, just two days after President Joe Biden ended his re-election campaign and endorsed his vice president.
Harris, who secured enough delegate pledges to clinch the Democratic Party’s nomination within a little over 24 hours after announcing her candidacy, linked Trump to Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation-backed plan for his administration, and one that his campaign is now furiously trying to distance itself from.
“He and his extreme Project 2025 agenda will weaken the middle class. We know we got to take that seriously,” Harris said. ”Can you believe they put that thing in writing? Read it. It’s 900 pages.”
The plan proposes cuts to Social Security and Medicare, tax breaks to corporations that will force “working families to foot the bill” and abolishes the Affordable Care Act, which “will take us back to a time when insurance companies had the power to deny people with preexisting conditions,” Harris said.
Did Biden ever even really talk about 2025? I’m loving that this is one of the very first places she goes and I hope she just presses hard on it non-fucking stop what’s in it
Tell them their porn’s going away. Do it in the fucking debate. Do it pussy.
Unfortunately a large number of conservatives support that. Like how Mike Johnson has an app that tells his son whenever he’s jacking off.
How is that app supposed to work?
Honor system, which makes it even more creepy. He has to decide to tell his son he jerked off.
and the son wants to know? or has he deleted the app without telling?
His son grew up with Mike Johnson as a father. He’s either a true believer or he knows that you do not step out of line when it comes to dad’s creepy shit.
His son just probably has a laptop and boots using a usb into linux. All of these christian goodie-do-gooders are going to create a nation of hackers.
Lmao part of the reason I went so deep into the Linux world was because my school board had super advanced network policies that were able to effectively block specific traffic and pretty much any commercial VPN. I had to build my own server at home to connect to from school using a bunch of traffic cloaking techniques to get unobstructed internet access.
I didn’t really use any sites that were blocked anyway, but it made me go “watch me bitch” to whoever was overengineering the censorship system in our school board’s IT.
Lol I wasn’t joking, it actually is an app and not the honor system. His 17 year-old son gets an immediate notice when his dad starts cranking his hog.
“It scans all the activity on your phone, or your devices, your laptop, what have you; we do all of it,” Johnson told the panel about the app.
“It sends a report to your accountability partner. My accountability partner right now is Jack, my son. He’s 17. So he and I get a report about all the things that are on our phones, all of our devices, once a week. If anything objectionable comes up, your accountability partner gets an immediate notice. I’m proud to tell ya, my son has got a clean slate.”
Who is going to tell him that his son has a way around it?
Yeah imagine expecting a 17 year old boy to NOT look at porn.
So it’s looking at porn, not cranking his hog.
Are you suggesting that Mike Johnson is edging himself?
Forgive me son, for I have sinned.
If I remember correctly, it lets each user view the other’s search history.
That, but also an immediate notification if you go to a porn site.
I don’t like my freedom! But you can also restrict someone with Google and not even need to see those sights. So I dunno what the fuck they are doing. Family link is easy and takes like 5 minutes to set up.
TIL. This is weird as fuck.
No ballsmala?
you could probably use vpn or whatever to get around that. i think it’s worse that they want to incriminate sex workers
They’ll go back to their couches.
Biden was too soft to mention it… Good thing he’s out of the race
the heritage foundation has been putting out a project 2025 like document since 1980 and nearly 75% of all of the recommendations have been enacted by both democrats and republicans since then, including biden.
biden didn’t talk much about project 2025 because, if you looked into it, you’ll find that biden was a big proponent of the 1980’s & 1990’s versions of the project 2025; so it was politically advantageous that he pretended that it never happened and he never did it to ensure a distinction between him and maga stayed present in today’s political discourse. the same is true with gay marriage; lgbtq in federal service; student loans; segregation; feminism; etc. and i bet that’s why he dropped out.
I would just like to point out that this is an example of the tried-and-true rhetorical technique of shrugging off issues with a dismissive “that’s not new.” We see politicians and spokespersons do it all the time, because, maddeningly, it works.
But, it doesn’t actually matter whether it’s new, does it? Couple things: The Heritage Foundation has put out a similar document every election cycle for decades, but the contents have changed; this iteration could be (is!) much, much worse. Even if Heritage had been putting out the same plan all along, and we didn’t object then, well, we can still object now. We don’t have to keep making the same mistakes in the future just because we made them in the past.
It’s almost as if career politicians aren’t great choices cause of all the baggage.
I’m legitimately curious how many people have actually read their document. I just started the other day and I’m about 100 pages in. I’m glad to see people are starting to realize the amount of coordination going on within the far right. Straight up playbook for stacking the cards and consolidating power to the executive branch. Borderline unconstitutional type stuff.
I’m confused… They did it on cameras on Jan 6th… why are some Americans still blind to it. Do they know they can listen to the trump tapes!?
They either don’t care or ignore it. As long as their side is on top they shrug it off.
But it’s not… Republican side isn’t anyway.
The only ‘side,’ that wins out of ignoring Jan 6th is people who genuinely want trump to be king.
people who genuinely want trump to be king.
It is my unscientific and wholly unsubstantiated hunch that some people are okay with that because they have no idea how limited the office of the President is supposed to be, and how that keeps the train on the tracks. They might have thought they were electing a virtual king this entire time.
They might have thought they were electing a virtual king this entire time.
There is no doubt in my mind that when Trump first ran for president in 2016 that’s exactly what he thought he was running for. He had no concept of the actual limitations of the president and thought that it would be carte blanche across the board.
Nah it’s worse than that.
You should read about Vance, his and Trump’s mutual friend and sponsor Peter Thiel, and the fucked up thinking of their friend Curtis Yarvin.
Here’s a good start: https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
He wrote back in 2012 "If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.”
That’s just a start. Also remember Thiel gave Trump’s campaign like 1.5M back in 2016, and considered him a “good investment”.
They think they get what they want out of it. They are brainwashed. There is no turning back for some. There is a sunk cost fallacy that you gotta just watch them do it and hope some find their way.
Lots of people do want a king, or at least, a king in the sense of an embodiment and personification of the nation. Abstract thinking is hard, most of us do it as little as possible, and some people can’t do it at all, so they can’t conceptualize a thing like “the state.” They need a figurehead to relate to, like the king in a monarchical system. When you look at the debate through that lens, it makes sense why they’d not want Biden/their nation to appear weak and disjointed.
As an aside, I think that combining the head of government and head of state in the office of President is the worst mistake in the Constitution.
No you see, that was their crazies, and even though they support their crazies, you shouldn’t do guilty by association.
Having said that, I’ve been going on far right forums and it’s mostly guilty by association. They find a very obviously wrong “leftist” and claim that anyone that calls themselves a leftist has the responsibility to keep all those wearing the label in check.
Their logic doesn’t even work cause, I could just use another label, doubt they would allow me to self identify though.
I read some but I had to stop after it started talking about the deep state, when that’s the whole point of p2025. A right wing deep state. The 180 proof, acidic nature of the irony melted my face and I could no longer see.
These motherfuckers are always doing what they accuse the other side of doing
They’re well past “borderline” unconstitutional.
Our supreme court agrees with them.
But the constitution doesn’t
Our supreme court agrees with them.
But the constitution doesn’t
And that’s a serious problem.
the heritage foundation has been putting out a project 2025 like document since the 1980 and both republicans and democrats (biden included) have enacted around 75% of the recommendations so far; conservatives continuing this tradition is status quo for the united states.
Heritage foundation is an israeli lobby which explains why both Democrats and Republicans participate.
Do you have a link handy for further reading on this? I knew the heritage foundation has been terrible since inception but I didn’t realize how much sway they’ve had historically. I thought that influence was new
I used ChatGPT to skim for relevant elements as I fact check it for content.
Trump put his criminal conspiracy to pay off Stormy Daniels in writing.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/politics/hush-money-trial-evidence-trump-charges-dg/index.html
[nsfw] https://youtu.be/pBdGOrcUEg8
And yet multiple people have seen him eating pieces of paper. I’m starting to think he just likes eating paper.
According to one source.
https://www.businessinsider.com/omarosa-saw-trump-eating-paper-in-oval-office-2018-8
Denied by someone who knows him better. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-not-eating-paper-cohen-omarosa-1070371
But here’s some paper related news you might enjoy
Remember when he kept complaining about the low flow toilets in the white house? I think he was tired of all the clogs caused by flushing documents.
I don’t, but I totally believe that he’d complain about toilets publicly, because everyone on Earth cares about everything he thinks, all the time.
/s
“People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once. They end up using more water,’’ Trump said while talking with business owners about what he said are ‘’common sense’’ steps to end overregulation. “The EPA is looking at that very strongly at my suggestion.’’
It’s high in fiber
What happens when you try to be a criminal without having Stringer Bell by your side.
So now that Project 2025 is unpopular and Trump is trying to distance himself from it, has anyone else found Trump’s lack of campaign promises kind of strange? Leading up to the 2016 election he made a ridiculous amount of promises. Mexico building a wall, bring back coal, lock up Hillary, repeal and replace Obamacare, balanced budget. This time around it’s very different. I can’t think of any promises he’s made. Could it be he doesn’t want to mention the promises he failed to delivered on or maybe Project 2025 is exactly what he has in mind?
I’m starting to think that he doesn’t care whether he wins or loses. He has a horde of sycophants following him that he can continue grifting off of from now until the end of his days.
I think he cares more about humiliation than almost anything else, and he sees winning as the only way to avoid not only the humiliation of losing the election but also the humiliation of facing any consequences at all for his many crimes.
I’m sure he cares. If he wins he can make many of his problems go away. On the other hand win or lose he can share his stake in DJT and be a billionaire. Doing so would screw over a lot of people so I doubt he will do that if he wins.
Yep close to 40% of the country will turn out and vote for him. He could be pulling wads of poo out of his diaper and flinging them at the audience during his rallies and this wouldn’t change. They’re rooting for their team good season or bad.
Yep close to 40% of the country will turn out and vote for him.
This idea right here needs to actually die for the sake of democracy.
No…close to 40% of the country will not turn out to vote for him. Close to 40% of people WHO VOTE will turn out to vote for him.
just under 155 million Americans voted in 2020 (out of a population of just over 331 million) which makes a voter turnout of 46%.
46% of the country (conservative and liberal) don’t vote because they just don’t care. Neither side truly represents them and, whether they consider themselves conservatives or liberals, they’re just folks who want to live their lives and let other people live theirs; what I call the “Your fist my nose” voting bloc; people who believe (regardless of their own leanings) that “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins”.
more than half of America doesn’t vote. If they live a conservative lifestyle and they don’t vote…they’re NOT a Republican. If they have a liberal mindset and they don’t vote, they’re NOT a Democrat. That’s literally the definition of Republican and Democrat.
But instead of actually talking to those 46% of people people, everyone just pretends that every Conservative is just as bad as a Republican and every Liberal is just as bad as a Democrat and therefore there’s no point in conversing.
It’s absolutist shit like that that keeps the status quo in effect and prevents any meaningful change.
Just to note that the 18+ (eligible voting) population in 2020 was only 78% of the total.
You are correct. My fault. In my over-eagerness of typing I forgot to take the under 18s into account.
My point still stands though.
Actually, only 66% of American adults voted in the 2020 election, and it had the highest voter turnout in 120 years!
“The 2020 presidential election had the highest voter turnout of the 21st century, with 66.8% of citizens 18 years and older voting in the election, according to new voting and registration tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.”
I think when people are in that little private booth, there will be more republicans that vote for Kamala. The only thing they have to run on anymore is immigration, but thats not working as well as everyone thinks, IMO.
Yeah. It’s just too bad the democrats are adopting the republican stance on that to somehow show republican voters that their representatives aren’t actually committed to keeping those promises so much as being contrarian to democrats, as if they need any more proof of that fact and will suddenly see the light, rather than simply challenging them on their outright lies and winning over the people that actually value evidence-based rhetoric.
That’s not actually what has happened. What has happened is that we have a very real border problem going on, and we have a divided Congress, and Congress is the government body that can actually do something about the border.
Despite the divide, a bipartisan border bill was drafted and was set to go through, and at the last moment Trump told the Republicans (publicly) to tank the bill because it would make Biden and the Democrats look good.
So, with that hope dead, but with the border crisis worsening, Biden had a few not-good options for things he could actually do as the executive branch. But doing nothing was probably worse, so we ended up where we now are. Don’t let the GOP ploy of shutting down progress to make Democrats look bad be a success.
Is this “very real border problem” in the room with us right now?
It doesn’t matter. His voters believe that he’s the guy that somehow kept all the promises he made.
Reality doesn’t really matter.I like to assume it’s related to all the lead released into the environment. The populations IQ went down 5 to 10 points due to lead poisoning from leaded gasoline in the 20th century so someone could turn a fat profit at the cost of humanity’s cognitivity. Critical thinking is harder than it used to be.
His campaign promise is to turn America into a dictatorship. He doesn’t need the heritage foundation or anyone else’s input on that.
His voters want it SO bad. Totalitarianism comes from this exact social situation over and over in history.
Can you believe they put that thing in writing?
Absolutely.
Acting openly horrible has been hugely successful with their base. Maybe it’s gone far enough that all the low information voters out there will start seeing how crazy things have gotten. I know the women in my social circle are pissed, and they’re pretty much all white suburban moms. That’s a group that could have a big effect here.
I know the women in my social circle are pissed
I’m curious. About what specifically? That “MAGA Manifesto” is huge.
I haven’t exactly interrogated them about all the details, but there is a lot of anger about all the stuff specific to women for sure. I think the Roe overturning primed many women (and people in general) to see that this shit is serious and not just the empty political talk they’re used to mostly ignoring. They are worried it will continue to get worse and make their health care more difficult in general, not just for abortions.
They are correct to worry and it’s good they are finally clued in, late as it is.
Thank you for sharing. I like seeing people get engaged with stuff that matters, but not at a cost like this.
Agreed. The cost is too much, but once my wife asked me if I’ve heard about project 2025 a few weeks ago after texting her friends, I knew it had hit some sort of critical mass with the normies (which I say with zero negativity attached to it).
Not just the Roe overturning, but also the promises that “this won’t be a complete ban” and “there will be exceptions” only for there to be complete bans with no exceptions, including unviable pregnancies that threaten the woman’s life.
Somewhere there is a site that lets you put in topics that concern you, and it pulls up page numbers and quotes from p2025 that fit. I really need to find and bookmark it for linking…
Lemmy hug of death? I see a Heroku app down page.
Looks like that dev haven’t kept it up but I’ve seen 2 other people announce working on it
Thank you!
Would appreciate that link too if you find it again
I’ve read 103 pages so far… Nothing worth noting as extreme in this document. The left (not everyone) is just fkin stupid, ignorant, and parroting chit. No different than calling Trump Hitler, a dictator, a Nazi, a racist, a fascist etc…
I get the tactic though.
It’s election year. They needed to fear monger, so they chose “Project 2025”. They needed to race bait, so they needed to find a story anywhere in America about a White cop shooting a non-violent Black person - Sonya Massey. BLM isn’t falling for their chit. They’ve caught on.
Leftist tactics are played out, same ol fkin moves as before.
It’s always fascinating watching people on the wrong side of history spin and justify the desires and actions of conservatives throughout the world throughout history.
Like leftists and the would be Trump assassin?
BTW he was a leftist POS degenerate afterall. They’ve discovered his Gab social account. How about Ava Kris Tyson, how the leftist are making excuses and rationalizing the actions of that degenerate chomo? Hope he goes to prison and gets proper justice.
Got a source?
Keep reading, then delete this comment when you realize how fucking stupid you sound 🤣
Oh look. It’s the guy centrists imagine when someone says they don’t support genocide.
Wait… re-word your comment because I have absolutely no idea wtf you just typed out.
No.
Nazis always seem to be stupid enough to leave evidence around of their plans.
Where do you think the villain monologue trope comes from? lol
I’m surprised they’re not trying to sell it.
They haven’t figured out a way to fit the whole thing on a shoe.
Just you wait.
I mean they do seem like a Saturday morning cartoon villain just monologuing their evil plan because they think they have the hero down for the count.
Worse, they think they are the heroes.
The heritage foundation LOVES smelling their own farts.
Go get ‘em girl!
What exactly is she getting?
Them
Your and the rest of the MAGA crowd’s goat, apparently.
'em.
My vote ❤️
More upvotes than your comment history, for sure.
More upvotes than your comment history
Wow, you weren’t kidding!
I had a hunch.
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She seems to be doing fine, but she needs to watch out for acting giddy like she gets.
She can really act drunk sometimes.
If you think expressing any emotion other than bigoted hate and manufactured outrage = “drunk”, then you’ve been watching too much Fox News. Of course, it’s no surprise that the MAGA crowd just assumes that anytime a woman laughs, she must be drunk.
Keep it classy
Come on man, do we always have to do the blanket denial? I’m voting for her, but she acts goofy as shit sometimes, not just “laughs a lot” or a woman laugh.
Lighten up, we can talk about things here, we’re among friends. Not everything is off limits.
Maybe someone that expresses a little authentic human joy is exactly what the American public needs right now.
And exactly the sort of thing that terrifies sociopaths. That’s why they’re freaking out about it. They so rarely experience joy that they think there’s something wrong with it.
The explosion of support she’s getting says you’re correct.
She’s absolutely killing it, and I think her energy and positivity are a huge part of why.
I was planning on giving an unenthused Biden vote just as a “please not Trump” vote. I’m now planning on an excited and hopeful vote for Kamala!
She represents a much, MUCH needed turn away from the dumpster fire we’ve let our political system become.
How dare a leader be human. I only vote for robots!
You think it’s “goofy as shit”, I think it’s honest and refreshing. It’s nice to see a politician (especially a woman) who can let out a belly-laugh once in awhile.
I didn’t deny anything, and you’re not my friend.
Nice try at deflection, tho, lol
Well you’re still my friend. Let me know if you need to talk about anything, or have a bad day. I’d be happy to just listen.
You don’t really understand the word “no” do you or when people just aren’t that into you?
Creepy
God forbid a politician enjoy life and laugh. I like how human she acts. It’s nice seeing a politician who knows how to enjoy herself
Women just can’t win huh. If they police their emotions and try to be neutral, they come across as bitchy and unlikeable like Clinton.
If they’re genuine and open about how they feel, they’re giddy and acting like they’re drunk.
Ahhh yes, giddiness–the downfall of many great societies
Remember when Howard Dean “yeeahhhharrrrgfh” ed? In excitement.
Glad we avoided that.
Remember when trump said “bing ding ding ding boom psheen pfoom”? To explain missile tech.
Yeah, somehow Trump gets a pass. We can’t expect that.
Trump gets a pass because his voters don’t care. Harris’s voters shouldn’t care, either.
Caring about dumb shit like that is part of the reason why Democrats have been losing elections.
Unlike every fine upstanding male gentleman politician!
I think that actually works in her favor. She’s got a good energy, and it’s contagious.
Let’s go! Kamala’s bringing a good energy to the table, I like to see it. I’m cautiously optimistic.
I definitely feel better having a presumptive nominee who actually seems to give a fuck about stopping the fascists instead of this idiocy:
I’ll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the good as job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about.
Because holy fuck I was real fucking concerned he was going to sleepwalk us into a fascist government taking over after that shit.
First time in a long time I’ve actually been optimistic about the 2024 election. I generally vote for policy, not people. But I’d be excited to vote for Kamala Harris if she’s the eventual Democratic nominee. No doubt.
As I said, Trump is totally ignorant of the Streishand Effect here. Which he used to tremendous effect before.
AND of his own strategy of “mention you don’t support something, repeatedly, as a sign you low key support it.”
Now he’s actually trying to say he doesn’t support something, and it’s like he’s totally forgotten his own history.
Everyone knows he lies like most people breath anyways. His only position is whatever gets people to cheer and clap for him so he gets his narcissistic fix, or the last person to talk to him that stroked his ego the right way. The people who will actually to do stuff in his administration definitely want 2025, and that’s what matters. I’m only a neighbor of the US but a country that implements 2025 is a scary one to be next to.
I’m just gonna leave this here. It’s the low key support strategy.
Saved
“Project 2025 will weaken the middle class.”
Project 2025 will destroy the middle class. It is a guide to creating a Judge Dredd universe where the only people living in it will be the Super Rich and Super F*cking Poor. They’re not even trying to hide it.
And the Judges are theofascists. Imagine Judge Dredd showing up and going, “You dishonored your mother and father by being gay. Punishment for that offense is death.”
I don’t like her, but you have to admit that’s hysterical.
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I don’t understand how pointing out that an account that is obviously a troll breaks this rule. If that breaks the rule and gets removed it will foster more disinformation on this site, which is problematic. We can’t allow fresh accounts to spread baseless information and moderate those who call it out.
Attacking other users isn’t cool. You can counter what they’re saying without attacking the user.
So every time a fresh account vomits 3 paragraphs of obviously extremely biased, probably outright lies, and spams all over a thread we have to engage with them instead of just saying fuck off and pointing out they’re a troll/shill/bot/whatever? Just so we’re clear.
If you don’t like what they’re saying and feel they’re engaging in poor faith, report them.
I’ve got a little while until I do my psychiatry clinical rotation in school, but I feel like interviewing you to hear about your theories and perceptions would make for a fascinating case report.
What I don’t understand is how their first two sentences completely contradict the last sentence.
I’ve worked in ERs before and dealt with a lot of mental health patients in crisis. I’ve met some schizophrenics that have been off their meds and on street drugs for months in the middle of a complete psychotic break that still have a better grasp on reality than some of these folks.
(To be clear, they were in that situation because they lost their job, home, and health insurance, so they had no way to access the medication that had kept them stable previously, and the street drugs were an attempt at self-medication.)
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Here’s something Lemmy doesn’t have, why is this the second highest parent comment? Reddit would have buried it.
I bet you know a lot/lust after warm water ports eh?
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