• BeamBrain [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I’m reminded of a Chapo segment where they said that if you have strong political beliefs you publicly express, you should be prepared and willing to take shit for those beliefs. Conservatives would not last a day if they had to put up with the constant, near-universal vitriol that communists living in the West get.

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    7 of 9 doesn’t hate them, Jeri Ryan hates them.

    “media literacy” is an ocean off the coast of Medialitera

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    Why can’t people just fucking nerd out about stupid fun sci-fi shit.

    Because you’re not a real nerd. You’re a normie who doesn’t belong, go back to watching football or golf or something.

    Always gatekeep your hobbies. Take it from an anime fan, they invade our communities and act like the standing authorities on it.

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      what would a chud even like about Star Trek? It’s explicitly a show about a utopian socialist society that’s defeated war, hunger, racism, and sexism.

      Like I can still enjoy some reactionary media, like Attack on Titan is written by a chud, but I can still recognize that it’s reactionary. The original Ghost in the Shell manga is the same way. I’m with you on anime, I’ve been into it for decades and it’s full of conservative dorks who fail at basic media literacy who get surprised when there are actually political themes that translate to real world positions

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        what would a chud even like about Star Trek?

        Probably some brain-dead “humanity fuck yea” bullshit. I’ll bet they don’t even think about the whole FALGSC aspect, just the cool humans running around space getting one over on the aliens. Basically what 0 media literacy does to a motherfucker

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          i mean to be fair Star Trek is a product of an imperial, western nation so there are some lingering attitudes like you mentioned that pop up occasionally. It depends on the writer though. Often the humans do have a very colonial, imperialist attitude towards other species. Sometimes Starfleet is purely a research/diplomacy organization, sometimes it operates more like a military. It’s a show that’s been around for a while so it’s inconsistent, but the core of the show has been there from even before Day 1. It’s showing a future where humans are better than they are now, not because of the space tech stuff, but because we’ve fixed our society and how people are treated.

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      Yeah look at Warhammer 40k lmao, thousands of dumbass chuds who don’t play the game (and barely engage with the surrounding entertainment) always chime in to speak their piece on fiction they only know thru memes. I stopped playing years ago, but I have a few friends who share their grievances with me. It sounds aggravating

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    “They wanted to turn their brains off, and go nerd out […] and have some fun.”

    “why can’t people just fucking nerd out about stupid fun sci-fi shit?”

    “and have a stupid nerdy time.”

    Beyond anything political, I think they’d be an incredibly annoying person to be around. What does nerd out even mean??? Are they attempting to turn to jello as if they’re taking recreational sedatives? What positive experiences do they have in their lives that makes them feel like they turn their brain off and, in response, receive a good time from others? Do I socialize wrong?

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      What does nerd out even mean???

      they want to go to an event where they can soyface while watching fictional characters delivering epic Marvel-style one liners

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      at some point they had an intellect, and they developed specialized interests in stuff as many folks do, but our schools train us wrong on purpose, as a joke, unless you go all the way to graduate level education, about how to use that brain so they’re mad their conceptual stim toy is made by people who hate their broken brained politics and rather than give an inch to the implication of “The people who made this thing I love hate me”, and do some soul searching, they’re doubling down and calling it a theft to cope with the loss rather than change to keep what they love.

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          Not a Warhammer guy, but I’m pretty sure the creators do everything they can to distance themselves from chuds and the setting is meant to be dystopian to a tongue in cheek level, people intentionally making the most grimdark brutal setting they could cause also it’s a war game so a setting where everyone sucks and fights all the time is appropriate and chud nerds didn’t really grasp they were being silly. It’d got genocidal trad catholic space marines, from my understanding they are trying really hard to not be taken seriously and fell into the gravity well Deeply Unserious People who took it seriously cause it matched their sincere outlook.

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            Nah, GW does the absolute bare minimum so that normal people don’t get weirded out and stop giving them money. Eg they put out a statement saying “hate is not welcome in our community” but then published a short story on their community page where immigrants are all evil and a “good cop” dies because he didn’t murder a child on sight. 40k hasn’t meaningfully been satirical since the 90s, and has gotten even worse since 8th ed, where space marines started being treated as good guys entirely unironically. It’s easy to compare conflicts in old lore to new lore and see the difference. For example:

            Old Lore:

            • The Badab War. A space marine chapter (which had couped the civilian government of their homeworld 200 years earlier) refuses to pay their tithes after their requests for more materiel to carry out their charge of defending a region of space centered on an open portal to hell are denied. This went more or less unnoticed for 150 years due to the Imperium’s colossal bureaucracy. Finally, a contingent of ships from a variety of imperial factions related to the middle-men in the local sector government that were in charge of collecting the tithe come to see what’s going on, allegedly refuse to follow instructions, and are fired upon and destroyed by the space marines for suspicion of being forces of chaos and/or pirates. The space marines convince the other two chapters who share their charge of defending the entrance of the hell portal to join them in seceding from the local sector government to form their own separate space marine-led government, which is their right as space marines and not unprecedented. A fleet-based chapter of particularly assholeish space marines that happened to be nearby by chance are brought into the situation by that sector government to aid them and end up getting into a big space battle with the rogue chapters and lose. From here, the war escalates until a half-dozen more space marine chapters and the inquisition get involved on the side of the sector government, and it ends in terrible losses for both sides, one of the rogue space marine chapters turning to chaos, and the other two being brought back into the fold but sent out on punitive crusades with the assumption that they will not survive. The imperium’s structure and the fascist nature of space marines in particular leads to its own downfall.

            New Lore:

            • The Arks of Omen. Some demon decides he’s going to assemble a macguffin to become stronk and convinces other chaos forces to help him do so. Several loyalist space marine chapters fight back. The demon succeeds and brings back the ancient homeworld of one of the chapters of space marines which had been destroyed 10,000 years ago, but now it’s a spooky demon planet! All seems lost but then reinforcements show up with the primarch of the loyalists (who suddenly just showed up out of nowhere) and helps them beat back the demons. It’s a pyrrhic victory and the demon will still be able to carry out his plans some time in the future (in the next campaign book). The imperium (well, just a bunch of space marines really, who cares about the other factions) is heroic and is standing against the demons that want to kill everything.

            It could be pointed out that the second type of “imperium vs external threat” story is not exactly a new invention, but as far as I’m aware every single campaign since the release of 8th has had the imperium as the good guys against the big bad chaos/aliens.

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      they want media to conform, cater, and reinforce their already existing beliefs or to not challenge them in the slightest. Or they want to remember how they felt as children, where the more adult political themes sailed right over their heads. They want to be kids playing with toys.

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    Not directly related, but I hate how chuds go “why can’t we just be friends in THIS space? It’s just politics!” because its 1: A bold-faced lie. They freak out about me doing gay shit or not expressing my gender, so they can’t figure out how to be friends and 2: No we can’t be friends in THIS space, because they want me to not exist in ANY space. Politics isn’t just politics, it’s life and it’s also how you view the world. I’m not gonna be friends or friendly with some dickhead who wants me to disappear.

    A local scene had to deal with those types some years ago. It was a place called “the youth house” which was supposed to be a house for youth. Of course some whiny libertarian freaks showed up, got shoved out and then cried about it, which was of course picked up by national media. “Well if THEY can’t be there, then it’s not a place for all youth!” fuck off. They got manhandled out because they couldn’t behave, they acted as if they were in a zoo and got flabbergasted when the “animals” didn’t go along with their shitty behaviour.

    If they’re there others can’t be there, that’s how it is, that’s how things work. I’ve been to libertarian bars and it was a shitty experience because people like me weren’t welcome. They said everyone was welcome, but that’s never true because it’s not possible to make everyone feel welcome and you gotta make a decision on who you want to cater to. In the case of the “youth house” it was trans youth, in the case of the libertarian bar it was some conservative asshole who called me a removed (I feel the need to stress this, I was on my best behaviour and I had done nothing to antagonise anyone. I was kind and polite until some guy went up to me and said “what’s up removed?” And I STILL calmly asked him not to call me that, to which he decided to continue because “it’s a free country”. Somehow it wasn’t so free when I decided to reciprocate his language.). No media attention for me though, no big show about how poor old widdle enbie me wasn’t allowed at the “everyone is welcome” bar, weird that.

    These sacks of shit get the world served to them on a silver platter and still cry foul when you ask them to stop stealing falafel off your plate.

    Also lastly, they don’t mind politics in art. All art is political, they just don’t want it to be challenging to them. “Die hard isn’t political!” No it just agrees with you/doesn’t challenge your worldview.
    It’s the same with libs that say they’re against “political violence” while arguing for the police.

    Ps. Chuds are whiny babies, if they experienced even 1/10th of the pushback that communists get, then they’d end themselves.

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        old trek was actually more political, in that it showed different ideologies crashing into each other, “geopolitical” maneuvering between empires, explored ideas like colonialism, etc.

        new trek is literally just shiny laser go brrr

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        Only the live-action modern Trek. Lower Decks easily competes with DS9 and TNG for quality. Different tone certainly. But it’s its own distinct thing. TNG was renowned for its ethics and morality plays. DS9 was about the challenges of being on the frontier. I think LD’s distinctive feature will end up being a faith that we can be better than we are, despite what we’ve done and what we’ve seen.

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          it’s pretty ok actually, it’s about on the same level to me as TOS. I actually like how they do stuff like imitate Desilu studio close-ups and lighting arrangements. Makes it feel like what if TOS were a modern show

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            I grew up on TOS (reruns, I’m not ancient) and I also get very similar vibes from Strange New Worlds. I don’t even care if it’s not particularly edgy or insightful. It’s like comfort food and I’m eating it up.

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          It’s okay but i stopped watching in the first season. My main impressions were “well at least it feels like star trek again” but most of the stories were kinda meh and one of the better ones they just ripped from The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas (but iirc libbed up because did they even do anything? Did they just leave that kid in the torment nexus because uhh noninterventionism? I don’t remember but thought it was weak shit)

          and i cannot stress enough how much I do not ever need to see another “it’s a submarine battle… in SPACE!!” episode of Star Trek, christ, it’s the episode that never ends

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            Did they just leave that kid in the torment nexus because uhh noninterventionism?

            I love how Captain Freeman in Lower Decks (I think S2E1) talks about how she’s annoyed by Starfleet’s “policy of some intervention”. Humanizes her while also calling out some prior Trek writers’ occasional inadvertant-cruelty moments.

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    Bit idea: make an account for /r/conservative and post nothing but complaints about how literally every celebrity hates “us” until every poster there feels like this guy’s friends