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Summary
Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.
Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.
Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.
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And now that Trump wants to make tips tax free, I’m about to tip even less. At least by the amount of the tax deduction.
Tip fatigue is real. When every interaction with a touchpad asks you for a little something extra on top of inflation, it gets old fast.
I tip 20% when I get served by a person. I typically add 10-15% on carryout, for their troubles.
A brewery I go to weekly for dinner with friends recently changed the tip buttons on the pad to 18, 22, and 25. I like them a lot, but the place is pricey, and you have to go to the bar to order. They get the 18% button now. (I could do the math, but… beer)
I’m not in the best health so I do a lot of order at home.
GrubHub/DoorDash/etc. all calculate the tip based on the order + their fees, not the order itself.
If I order a $60 dinner, I’m tipping 20% of $60. Not 20% of $60 + your delivery fee and your service fee.
Stop tipping culture. Pay your workers.
I think at some point we need to agree as a society on a no-tipping day in which we stop paying tips, and just keep it up. After that point, no tipping for anything, and rather than not tipping being a stigma, tipping becomes a stigma.
Not tipping doesn’t fix the problem, it just hurts those barely getting by who are also victims of a shitty capitalist system.
Going Luigi on those furthering income inequality would be better.
Blame the companies, not the customers. I bought a $12 water at a concert and the attendant acted offended I didn’t tip. Don’t get mad at me.
Yea, we’re getting exhausted from being constantly barraged by demands for tips.
This is only going to get worse as late-stage capitalism continues to wring every last penny it can out of the working class.
American tip culture is fucked, and it has been for a very long time. Once gas stations started begging for a tip on my soft drinks I figured it was about time to rip the band aid off.
Unfortunately tipping less means wait staff are gonna get fucked – no way to soften that. We need to get to a place where their livelihoods aren’t dependent on generosity.
at one point they need to learn that to protect their livelihood unionize is the answer, not asking customers to subsidize what the employers are not giving.
I still tip wait staff 20% I just don’t tip at the grocery store. The most egregious I’ve seen was a tip at a full self-service counter. Like who am I even tipping? The cash register?
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Imagine having to pay a living wage, burger prices would explode!
Except, for example, there is a 12.82€ minimum wage in Germany and a hamburger ist still around 2€ at Burger King (about 1:1 in $ atm). Food and work safety are stricter too iirc. Workers also have 20 days of vacation minimum (if your work full-time), 60h weeks maximum @ 40h on average, as well as extra pay for night, weekend and holiday shifts. And health insurance is about 200 a month at that income I think.
Edit: Oh, and of course still 5-20% tipps.
You are getting screwed over completely. Anyone who claims otherwise is your enemy.
We had 150 million people decide to keep things going the way they are. Until a major slice of shit hits the proverbial fan, nothing will change. The American population is too fat, stupid, and lazy to make the change on its own.
I think it’s more of a subsidizing thing. In the UK they get all these things and can’t budge due to pushback and culture, so they subsidize those costs with cuts to other places, like shrinkflation in the US, and other places. Costs went up to ship their foodstuffs all over the world, buuuut they enabled tipping at POS in the US, getting poor suckers to make up the difference (they hope)
Not an excuse, but if the US put in place the same things the UK has, fast food would lose their biggest cost subsidy for more expensive places like the UK, and prices would actually go up (because the corpo suits can’t take a fuckin pay cut obviously!)
People who earn tips don’t want “liveable” wages. They would hate the pay cut.
I mean…
2016, I went to a bar and got a 16oz beer, a burger and a basket of fresh fries for $18. I was happy to throw $3-5 on that for decent service, hell even subparbaervice.
Now it’s an 11oz beer being sold as a 12oz beer for $9 and a $22 burger, add fries for $4
If I get 2 beers, it’s $50 with a tip.
The fuck?
Well, I mean, are you going to continue to go out and hand them all that money? Then they’ll continue to feel like they can safely raise prices. If you start making burgers at home and buying beer at the local liquor store, you’ll be paying a small fraction of what you paid even in 2016. If you need some social interaction, just make it a cookout and invite people. I’m sure they’ll be happy to have you at their place in return.
Making an awful lot of (mostly irrelevant) assumptions here.
I’m simply stating that inflation is a big reason that people don’t tip as much.
Inflation and wages not going up.
They did if you got tips…
Customers shouldn’t be responsible for ensuring a livable wage for a restaurants employees.
And those employees for the most part don’t want a liveable wage, they don’t want the pay cut.
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Maybe I’m just weird (probably), but the cost of something has absolutely nothing to do with my choice of a tip. If item + what I feel is an acceptable tip = more than I want to spend, I simply don’t purchase that thing, not tip less.
I see a thing as worth a certain number of wage-hours. When the number of wage-hours doubles, but the thing still brings the same essential value to me, as my own wage stagnates, why would I pay a “i feel bad that you also are a wage slave” premium on top? Fuck that. Tipping is an absurd politeness. If those workers are fed up with being underpaid, they should be looking to their bosses, not at my broke ass who just wants food on my break. If they want the tips they have come to expect to be part of their wages, they should look at congress, not my broke ass who just wants a decent haircut.
You can bet there was some more tolerance for it when there was some guilt for office workers staying at home while service roles had to stay on site during the height of covid.
The fact that so many point of sale make it a default thing to put it directly out there for someone to tip before any service is done and with that decision in view of everyone around doesn’t sit well either
I’m so fucking done with it, that I just assume everyone behind me is too. I happily hit that “No tip” button. Unless you provided an active service for me, or went above and beyond to get me something, then why do you deserve a tip? I have to pay you extra money for you to do your job correctly?
It’s actually driven moreso by the point-of-sale vendors. They enable it by default, because they make a percentage of the transaction as a processing fee. The merchant has to request that it be disabled.
You think you’re tipping the worker, you’re actually tipping Jack Dorsey.
I only tip at restaurants and when I get my hair cut. All of this new tipping stuff, I have always assumed was just a generic update to enable it basically everywhere… I’ve always hit no tip… I don’t feel bad for it… You’re not getting paid 2 dollars an hour working at some random place that’s not a restaurant… I’ve heard stories of employees not even getting those tips… It’s a push for greed… That’s it
And the default options are 20, 25, 30 some places.
Ive been at multiple places starting at 30. Fuck that.
I was in SoCal several months back and ended up in a candy shop. Nothing but drawers of candy on the walls and one desk in the middle with a young woman sitting behind the checkout tablet. I had a question or two, but she was neither helpful or knowledgeable (it’s candy. not a difficult topic). She seemed very disinterested in engagement.
Well, I finish my selection, she scans and the tablet shows the totals with the big tip screen (NoTip-15-20-25%). I was taken aback that her job would get tips and wondered if she was paid enough before I smashed the NoTip button to finish up since she hadn’t done a thing to merit one.
Wasn’t trump talking about making tips tax-free? It’s only going to make the problem a lot worse. Maybe the problem getting so bad will reach a breaking point and we’re seeing some of the effects of this aggressive push to shove tipping everywhere now.
When was a kid in the 90s, tip was 10% of the $20 bill. By the time I was eating out a lot in my 20s we left 15% on the $35 because we liked the servers. Now the check is $50 and the “recommended” is creeping past 30%.
Yes this irks me to no end. The tips were going up on their own, so why did the percentage go up?
Because wages didn’t go up
Wages don’t matter. Nobody working for tips wants to exchange it for wages. The money is in the tips, and that kept going up.
Im glad I never eat out due to dietary restrictions. Why does ordering more expensive food entitle a server to more money for doing the same amount of work?
I assume I’m probably just too poor to understand.
I used to love ordering pizza for delivery, and I’d give like 5-10 bucks as a tip which might be 30 or 50% just depending. But now nobody does their own delivery anymore, I pay extra for the food because they’re outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.
Delivery is dead as far as I can tell. All that’s left is going through the fast food drive-through which is like 12-15 bucks nowadays. I’d rather just eat at home.
The only time I go out nowadays is when I’m with a friend.
I pay extra for the food because they’re outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.
It takes 2 hours because they’re sending a bid to drivers for your delivery contract, which may also include someone else’s delivery on the same route, for a base pay of $2 plus your tip. After enough drivers decline that, they add 25 cents and send it around again. This process repeats until someone (hopefully) eventually accepts it. And – whoops – the merchant’'s contract with DoorDash requires the driver to have a pizza bag. So the bid only even gets seen by the subset of drivers who do.
That’s $2, plus your tip. And that’s if the merchant was nice enough to actually pass that tip along when they outsourced the delivery. They aren’t contractually required to do so, and some don’t.
As an unpaid independent contractor, if I can see it’s an outsourced order (placed through the merchant instead of through the delivery marketplace), I won’t even accept it, because it’s also going to mean losing 10-20 minutes of unpaid time standing around waiting for the merchant (who sent out the contract way too early) to actually start making your pizza, that they already lied about being ready when they sent a notification to you and to me. It’s nearly always a disaster.
Edit to add: Just order from Domino’s, they do everything in-house.
