cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65174189
Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the “evils of communism.”
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This country hasn’t been at risk of going communist in eighty years. The right are such scared fucking babies.
They want to brand Socialism as Communism so we stay stuck in Tickle Down delusions
It’s just propaganda. It’s not anti communist it’s pro capitalism/imperialism and ultimately pro fascism.
Let me guess, they will teach the evils of empathy outright.
Well of course, empathy is socialism
“Stop indoctrinating the children”
Is that what they call what the rich like to do to kids now?
Once they finish their classes they get a free abduction to Little Saint James!
Ooohhh will this be like the DARE program and actually end up converting students to support communism??
I know I learned a LOT about recreational drugs from school <3
Some polticail staffer from PragerU at a high school teaching kids.
PragerU staffer walks in and grabs a chair turns it backwards. Turns their baseball cap backwards
“For real, we bussin about the evils of communism. We capping 67 about how communism punishes billionaires. We going to ohio all over capitalism.”
As soon as I saw the headline, I said, “I hope this is exactly as effective as D.A.R.E.”
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Matthew#chapter_19
(my bold)
.19 [538] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, [539] Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
.20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
.21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, [540] go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
.22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
.23 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That [541] a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
.24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
I’m a GenXer and I have literally been fed anti-communist propaganda since I was a very small child. It’s only in the last 20 years or so that I finally “woke up” and realized how absolute bullshit it all really is.
I don’t think this is necessarily due to age. I think it’s just that circumstances have made capitalism look so bad that you realize that the propaganda was exactly that.
Also gen X & I remember always playing as the U.S.S.R. in any game that let me choose because of the absolute banger of a national anthem!
I went to one of the very posh UK universities where they’re split into smaller colleges, and my friend’s college would play the Soviet National anthem at the end of every big party that was hosted in the college bar. The college student union had even passed a motion mandating that.
It was a surreal experience to see. A large chunk of people loved this tradition, but for very different reasons. There were a decent number who were straight up communists (or at least sufficiently left wing that they loved the political subversiveness of celebrating this song at such a posh university); Some people liked it ironically, for the meme (of the anthem-enjoyers, this faction were typically the poshest of the bunch); meanwhile, some people just thought the song was a banger — in my view, on this matter, these were the most based of them
The Civ 1 music was menacing and awesome. It reminded me of the Imperial March from The Empire Strikes Back.
first, so theres no confusion. i am against this program and its a facist move. i want to take a detour on your comment.
this article is more about socialism but people always confuse the two. i am a capitalist who believes in socialist programs. i believe in public health care, free public schooling (include universoty), and universal basic income. please use mybtaxes to pay for all of it.
capitalism is about owning your own busisness, ehich i agree with and does not conflict with everything socialism. not everything needs to be privately owned but we should have the freedom to privately own a business.
but your comment wasnt on socislism but communism. i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country? i genuinely want to know. communism doesnt support private property either and thats very important to me. i am also genx and for most of my kife, i have been happy with my country. my ideal president was barrack obama.
now that this country is becoming religous facist at the highest levels, i have thought aboit leaving so again , i wasnt being snarky. if i loved communism, i wouod have left.
sorry for the long comment, i judt hope you see i have a genuine curiosity, which is hard to communicate in a forum.
i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
You say this is honest, but this question has never been asked in good faith. Is the only reason you live where you live because the economic system it uses? Do you have no ties to the area besides? No family or history, or national pride? No job or property, or friends, or anything else? Do you speak every language and are accepted by and accepting of every culture, so you can just go anywhere and feel at home?
Anyone who asks this can fuck right off. At minimum, seeing issues and wanting to fix them for other people is enough of a reason to stay and try to change things. If you can’t see why people don’t want to uproot their lives to go somewhere else, even if that somewhere else existed and was exactly what they wanted, you aren’t actually being honest.
ibwas being honest and said that i am thinking of moving, depending on how midterms go. i do tjink changing things for the better isbworthbstaying but I don’t think communism is for the better. its not in the identoty, which is why I asked. since i am contemplating leaving witht the facist direction this country is taking , i wanted to know their reason
if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
First, there are no truly communist countries. Just authoritarian ones that use communism as a method of control. And now we live in an authoritarian country that uses capitalism as a method of control.
I also didn’t say anything about “loving communism”, whatever that is supposed to mean.
Prager U doesn’t make a distinction between socialism and communism. That’s the same propaganda we all got growing up in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Conflating one thing with another. And that is the problem. Prager U is going to tell kids that paying taxes so that a poor person can eat is communism and taking your property away to give it to someone who doesn’t want to work for a living. They’re going to tell kids that taxing rich people will prevent them from having enough money to create jobs for good hard working Americans. And that giving things away for free will make people not want to work.
These are the same lies we grew up with. Only with the failed state of the USSR as a “good example” of how communism(socialism) always fails. Ignoring the fact that it was deep corruption and authoritarian rule that actually destroyed the USSR.
Edit:
capitalism is about owning your own busisness
No, it is not. It’s about using the labor of other people to enrich yourself.
capitalism is about owning your own busisness
No, it is not. It’s about using the labor of other people to enrich yourself.
Maybe it’s about acquiring capital.
no capitalism is and only is, the private ownership of commerce
Literally the definition of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production.
Commerce is the act of selling and buying goods.
You should… Idk, get better at thinking?
if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
If you don’t like people with a different world view why don’t you move to israel?
Presumably the best way to fight Israeli genocide is outside of Israel;
the best way to fight Uighur genocide is outside of the PRC;
the best way to fight Iranian theo-fascism is outside of Iran;
and the best way to fight capitalism, is outside of a capitalist country.
One could go to, say, Cuba, or North Korea, or any country one thinks is truly, or at least mostly, Communist, or maybe a rebel-held area, and fight against capitalism and/or build socialism.
there is never was aUighur genocide.
that is western made up anti-China BSThey will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
I loved the 100’s of ‘leaked’ mugshots from a few years ago of the ‘prisoners’. This was with them probably.
From Adrian Zenz the religious nut and rabid SinophobeAll quite good generic Uyghur faces but with a button in weird places and other anomalies what we know recognize as AI artefacts.
Didn’t even bother to do some Photoshopping.BTW don’t they have orange suits in Guantanamo where they hold Uyghur terrorists?
FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.
As it’s a non-free image, I think it’s intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.
Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.
Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.
The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).
That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;
and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs weren’t extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that area—I’ll grant them that; but as I’m a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, it’s somewhat of a moot point to me.
It’s like the current US-Iran war: they’re both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.
Had a friend’s son tell me, very insistently, that Kim Jong Un convinced everyone in his county that he doesn’t poop. Also, that he’s planning to nuke South Korea, and we need to do something to stop him.
This was a kid with very liberal parents going to a very liberal middle school.
Red Scare shit is already everywhere. But I guess we’ve got to keep cranking the hysteria up to 11
i heard shit like this in school too. but it wasn’t from teachers or adults, just other idiot kids and i wasn’t dumb enough to take it as a definite truth, though i did consider it plausible.
I heard that one about Kim a few times, alongside some more crazy “What the people actually believe” and it scares me. Do some actually believe such obvious nonsense, or are they all loudly claiming to believe it knowing the consequences for wrongthink? Do they think they’re the only ones with a working brain and everyone else is brainwashed, or do they understand they’re all in the same boat?
Or maybe is none of it real, I’ll be honest I cant even prove North Korea even exists, I’ve only seen it on maps and on TV, on the same medium that brought me Ghost busters.
The hyper capitalist south is by no means great but I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls. Authoritarianism is bad regardless of economic structure.
Yes, because north Koreans must have a gene for authoritarianism or something. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with having all of its towns destroyed and 20% of its population killed by the US in a savage bombing campaign where more bombs were dropped than in the entirety of WW2, and have been under a deathly and relentless imperialist siege since.
I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls
Would be crazy if South Korea had a massive, brutal police state or a long history of improvised slums and ruthless exploitation of it’s citizenry.
Good thing we’re sanctioning North Korea to the hilt, guaranting none of those horrible practices become common place throughout the Western aligned Asian states
Death to capitalism and long live communism. Get fcked fascist piece of sht.
Fuck Stalinism and tankies.
Hitler and Stalin were allies 1939 to 1941.
Long live Freedom.
What does that have to do with Communism?
Many would describe them as Communists, or at least socialists, including, presumably, themselves.
We might as well add Trotsky, Lenin, Castro, Mao, Hoxhua, Guzmán, Luxemburg, and maybe General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea, Pol Pot.
Is that freedom in the room with us now?
I suppose yes, as wt:thon perhaps is in many rooms.
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Silver lining:
Conservatives have learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the D.A.R.E. program…
My favorite thing from the DARE officers coming to school was them teaching us what street drugs looked and smelled like so we wouldn’t get ripped off buying oregano instead of weed or drywall instead of cocaine. 😃
Our equivalent gave us recommended pricing to make sure we don’t get scammed.
Also, all the different common household things you never would have thought to huff that could be huffed to get you high. Someone out there is huffing freon apparently.
Ooh I think I’ll try a little from column A , most of column B, and none from column Cor D. Thanks for the recommendation.
FR for a lot of students this will just open the door to some very progressive discussion and realization.
I believe it probably achieved the desired objective - school to prison pipeline.
Nah, it was a way to line the pockets of various police officers and aligned groups
I work with a dude who wears a D.A.R.E. shirt every day and he’s absolutely on drugs lol.
My wife used to wear a D.A.R.E. sweatshirt in college, we were always high as well. I don’t think anyone sports and dare merch unironically.
Kind of like the DARE program taught kids to do drugs this will backfire and create communist.
We’re already in the Red Scare III™️
This is the beginning of the cleanse.
DARE probably got a lot of kid’s parents thrown in jail.
Let’s not forget the foster children to didler pipeline that is apparently foundational to the modern conservative movement.
We have to get these kids isolated and institutionalized so the rich people can abuse them. The orphan crushing machine needs blood.
I could actually sell this: “Communism is way less fun than drugs, kids.”
Yep that is the what we are talking about. A utter failure.
The Dare program I went through must have been wildly different than everyone else’s. Our police were local and usually parents of students and it was way more targeted at being safe and not feeling pressured into taking drugs. It def pushed the legal side of heavier drugs but was very specific about marijuana and making sure you are safe and in a safe place if you end up taking it. I’m 42 for reference.
DARE programs were notoriously ineffective. Some studies found that students who went through it were MORE likely to try drugs.
I also had a fairly friendly cop come in for our DARE classes when I was a kid. They also basically just said “drugs are always bad, just say no, if you don’t your whole life is ruined.”
They didn’t talk about why people use drugs. They lied or exaggerated negative effects. They discouraged any critical thinking about it. It was not a good program.
This lines up exactly with what ours was like in school.
My DARE program had the cop dads but none of the safety and safe place stuff. I would attribute it to the mixed racial makeup of my district, if the comparison stands up to yours. The DARE cops talked about gangs more than anything.
Ours definitely didn’t convey anything about “make sure you are in a safe space if you end up taking it”, it was fully “don’t do it, it’s evil!” and was so over the top that it definitely backfired for many kids. I also think that their practice of showing kids sealed samples of said drugs de-mystified them and made some kids curious.
DARE did a little program in our cafeteria. There was a cop at a table with various drug things on it, including a big bag of weed. My friends and I walked by and I commented appreciatively,“Now THAT is a big bag of weed!” And the cop, in full serious cop mode, said in a dead serious voice,“Yeah. That’s enough to KILL YA!” We laughed and walked away. The whole thing was so stupid.
I too immediately thought of DARE.
Funny how “communism always fails on its own” or “is a failed ideology”, yet is/was so significant, that it has to have it own special section.
And also an embargo and constantly plagued by the US.
Exactly and constantly and incessantly propagandized
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
https://www.kesterbrewin.com/2025/01/26/14-hallmarks-of-fascism/
We see this a lot with the right
Or that it has to be taught as an “inherently authoritarian ideology” and/or that it means <bad thing happening under capitalism>.
“The socialist housing plan” tweet hahah
npc wojak.jpg
“Cheap housing in urban areas bad. Suburban sprawl with McMansions good.”
When china does it, bad. When america does it, based
Both still bad for conservatives. Also in Europe too, NIMBYs here whine about commie blocks not having “kitchen gardens”, which is Europe’s golf grass, but at least there’s no HOA to force you to grow onions and grass flavored tomatoes in your garden, only societal pressure (which loosened a lot).
not having “kitchen gardens”
They really whine about that?
Yes, but nowadays less often, and only the more extreme ones.
Alongside “Pedo Worship 101”?
That’s the theology class
Remember, kids: if communism is evil and communism is “taking your hard-earned money away and giving it to people who don’t work hard enough,” then it’s your duty to demand the government stops those communist bailouts given to corporations that won’t support themselves.
“You see, kids. The free market can be a harsh teacher, but it is a good teacher, and while Altman will whine and cry about not getting any government money, what he needs is to learn a definite lesson from the free market—for his own good, for our own good, for the good of the American economy.”
Maybe let them cook, if this is as moronic as it sounds, it could turn out like D.A.R.E.
This is a stupid idea, but I have faith kids will smell the BS
Anti-communist education works weirdly well, and it might include boring-ass liberalism as a “genocidal ideology”, but not due to complicitness in wars, but due to abortion, etc.
I think anti-communist education works much better when a.) the majority of people aren’t suffering massively under capitalism and b.) when you don’t have a collapsing “communist” nation across the pond with which to say “We told you so!”. It’s way easier to point to the wonders of capitalism when you see people pulling themselves out of poverty by working their 9-5 factory job and raising 4 kids on a single income, and much harder when that system is now making you finance a $5 burrito, with interest.
what a shithole
